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Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

LOFIN said:
How much of that is really dependant on the rosters, and how much of the fact that DeBoer has simply outcoached Bednar every single f***ing time they've played against eachother?

The Nuke incident and injuries of course had an impact last year, but we were mostly just outplayed.
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Injuries also had a major impact in the 2021 playoffs and also against Vegas. The narrative that DeBoers has out-coached Bednar needs to die.
 
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AllAboutAvs said:
Injuries also had a major impact in the 2021 playoffs and also against Vegas. The narrative that DeBoers has out-coached Bednar needs to die.
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That 2021 series was so unfortunate. Landeskog getting his leg cut; EJ out; Grubauer AND Francouz down; etc etc. And yet they were still like 3 mins away from winning game 7 before Graves and Kiviranta happened.
 
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Pokecheque said:
Well they're obviously not quite a dime-a-dozen because the Avs somehow went looking and came up with Wish quality merchandise.
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Avs were looking for <1M UFA dmen...of course these are absolute crap.

At the deadline legit bottom pairing dmen are easy to trade for and cheap.
 
Foppberg said:
I want Jones. It'd be a full circle thing after how much it was hyped we were gonna draft him lol
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Hahaha I remember jumping up and down in jubilation watching the draft lottery and yelling “finally, our defence is going to start to be good” thank god I wasn’t making that pic
 
LOFIN said:
How much of that is really dependant on the rosters, and how much of the fact that DeBoer has simply outcoached Bednar every single f***ing time they've played against eachother?

The Nuke incident and injuries of course had an impact last year, but we were mostly just outplayed.
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Avs have always had issues against defensive minded teams. We seem to do well against teams that play our style which is more offensive, like the Oilers. I still think we can beat Dallas but only if CMac makes the necessary changes and we at least have Val for the entire playoffs. Having Landy would be a bonus
 
Colorado Avalanche said:
Deboer bitching about the refs changed the series. Bednar lost in that game.Sometimes Bednar being too nice and classy costs him.
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I don't think Bednar bitching would've helped. He finally bitched about something this season and we saw what happened next.

Even with more favorable calls, Avs weren't winning either of those series. They didn't have the depth, and they most assuredly did not have the goaltending.
 
Colorado Avalanche said:
Deboer bitching about the refs changed the series. Bednar lost in that game.Sometimes Bednar being too nice and classy costs him.
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4giev cost them the series more than anything. He was really solid in game six and that's about it.

The team was not a juggernaut that could get it done regardless of what happened between the pipes.
 
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No, Georgiev didn't cost the series against Dallas. Bednar got outcoached by DeBoer, like the 2 previous times that they met in the playoffs.

The players had nothing left in the tank and were skating in molasses.
 
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Pokecheque said:
Avs shooting luck has been shit this year too.

Mikko is the better player, full stop. He is an elite winger and one of the best scorers in the NHL. Both are fantastic talents on the offensive end of the ice and pretty lousy at defense. Necas is obviously the better skater but no way is he the same level of playmaker and shooter that Mikko is.

What I'm seeing is that Necas is a far, far better fit for the Avs than he ever was with the Canes.

Avs also got some desperately-needed depth with Drury, and a guy who can finally win a f***ing faceoff. Both those things are huge for a team like this.
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One of these players leads the league in high danger passes, and the other does not.
 
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Pokecheque said:
I don't think Bednar bitching would've helped. He finally bitched about something this season and we saw what happened next.

Even with more favorable calls, Avs weren't winning either of those series. They didn't have the depth, and they most assuredly did not have the goaltending.
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I think they could've won that Vegas series. One of the big changes that Vegas made was that they started the series trying to physically intimidate the Avs, this actually didn't work and led to the Avs doing quite well. DeBoer switched the gameplan to a heavy forecheck. Rather than trying to beat the Avs into submission physically, he ramped up the pressure, leading to increased turnovers and inability to transition as a result. It was simple, but so smart. They used soft dump ins then came with numbers on the puck retriever.

Bednar finally made some adjustments in the last game, where Grubauer was tasked to come out and play the puck more frequently, which actually did help. Unfortunately, it was a bit too late by that point.
 
SoundwaveIsCharisma said:
High danger passes for or against their own team?
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Pokecheque said:
Is that a good thing?
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2022-23 High Danger Passing Quick Facts:​

  • Shooting Percentage on High Danger Passes last year was 15.7% at 5v5, increased to 20.9% for shots on goal.
  • Sh% on Cross-slot Passes was 21.2%, increased to 27.6% for shots on goal.
  • Sh% on passes from the Center Lane (between faceoff circles) in offensive zone was 10.9%, increased to 16.2% for shots on goal.
  • Sh% on passes from behind the net were 11%, increased to 14.9% if they were on goal.
  • Passes from the center lane occurred almost twice as often as Cross-Slot passes & 58% more often than passes from behind the net.
  • 50% of Cross-slot Passes & 44% of Center Lane Passes occurred off the rush
  • Sh% on Cross-Slot plays off the rush was 23% compared to 19.1% on forecheck.
 
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I know a few people have already had Jake Evans on their radar for 3C dating back to last year. Looks like they still have an outside shot at a deal but a lot of press about being potentially on the move. The more I watch and read on him I am full on the Evans train if the cost isn't too high (seeing a 2nd + speculated a lot) He plays a 3C role on Mtl but could there be top 6 upside similar to Lehky? Lehky had better draft pedigree, is a little older and broke into NHL quicker but some of their NHL track is similar. When we traded for Lehk he was playing a 3rd line role for them. They roll 3 to 4 lines fairly evenly in Mtl 5v5, his extra minutes come solely on the PK with no PP points all even strength or short handed. He has mainly been a .3 to .4 ppg player similar to Lehky before the year we got him trending at .5 ppg which is what Evans is pacing this year, they even played on the same line the year we traded for Lehky. It could be fun to get him and play him at 2C a few games to see how he looks with more minutes/better linemates and worst case he fills in 3C/RW pushing others down for depth?

For context Evans has 27 pts either EV or SH, 3 SHGs and 5 GWGs. Mittelstadt only has 12 EV points, Lehky has 29 (though only for 45 games).
 
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CobraAcesS said:
2022-23 High Danger Passing Quick Facts:
  • Shooting Percentage on High Danger Passes last year was 15.7% at 5v5, increased to 20.9% for shots on goal.
  • Sh% on Cross-slot Passes was 21.2%, increased to 27.6% for shots on goal.
  • Sh% on passes from the Center Lane (between faceoff circles) in offensive zone was 10.9%, increased to 16.2% for shots on goal.
  • Sh% on passes from behind the net were 11%, increased to 14.9% if they were on goal.
  • Passes from the center lane occurred almost twice as often as Cross-Slot passes & 58% more often than passes from behind the net.
  • 50% of Cross-slot Passes & 44% of Center Lane Passes occurred off the rush
  • Sh% on Cross-Slot plays off the rush was 23% compared to 19.1% on forecheck.
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Well, all due respect, I don't think that necessarily defines either player's passing ability, but it's interesting to note nonetheless. I didn't even know that was a thing.

Who knows, going forward which player will emerge. Up to this point it's definitely still Mikko.
 
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