Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[Anders Cain]

Imagine mitts for naz before the game tomorrow and they just switch locker rooms..... A man can dream

 

[EdAVSfan]

 

[Vaslof]

Kadri would not be a long term solution. He'd come in for at least 1 playoffs run, then we see how long he can last. I'd like to acquire him if we can, for example, send out Colton instead of Mitts.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

Oh f*** off Vancouver that's actually a good deal

 

[CobraAcesS]

Probably the most sane way to go about this. Just hang on and enjoy the ride. We've already got the cup, so realistically we should be happy just watching MacKinnon and Makar fade away over the years and then look forward to a rebuild.

But I'm just too impatient for that shit. You're either competing for the cup, or blowing up your roster. Not a whole lot of in between. Too many teams don't scorch the earth enough or suck long enough to get the right core before exiting the rebuild. Hell, we had several restarts and still weren't anywhere complete on the back end until Makar and Byram where both in the lineup.

I thought the off season after the cup and the next one would decide if we simply watch the downfall of a cup team, or if we get one or two more.

I said, what's done now and in the near future will dictate if this is the 95/96 team, or the 2001 team.

That was what, five years between cups with the same core?

How many years has it been since 2022?

 

[The Merchant]

Kadri would not be a long term solution. He'd come in for at least 1 playoffs run, then we see how long he can last. I'd like to acquire him if we can, for example, send out Colton instead of Mitts.

Naz has been really good for them; their 1C and a PP1 staple. They're not gonna entertain a Ross Colton return, if at all.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Kadri would not be a long term solution. He'd come in for at least 1 playoffs run, then we see how long he can last. I'd like to acquire him if we can, for example, send out Colton instead of Mitts.

Yeah, the problem is Colton isn’t going to waive to go to Calgary. No chance.

They probably also value Mitts over Rosco. Better chance of success with Mitts than Colton.

 

[Cypher]

Colton gives off Boston Bruins type player vibes. I could see him involved in a package for Zacha (Czech buddy for Necas) and/or Colorado native Carlo.

 

[Foppa2118]

Trading him is probably the optimal fix here, but I'm not holding my breath given what we think is actually available in terms of "upgrades". I still really wonder if putting him with Nuke and Lehky solves this problem (two puckhounds and one with speed), at least for the rest of the year. For some reason he didn't look great with Nuke in a limited showing, but flourished with Kovalenko and LOC--which are stylistically similar albeit much less talented.

Does seem like that's where it's headed, but we'll see. At this point though, I'm not sure we can say it could be a linemates issue with Mitts.

He's a playmaker, and played with skill players, like one of the best shooters in the NHL in Mikko. He's also played with two puck hounds in Lehky and Val who are also good shooters. Neither seemed to work well.

I think the issue is Mitts not his linemates.

 

[BobRossColton]

I really hope the front office does all their due diligence over the break and checks on the slightly unavailable centers, while also working with mitts to truly check on his well-being..

 

[Foppa2118]

Ok so I know that getting Kadri back has become something of a meme on here, but I think bringing him back would not only improve the team, but make a ton of sense outside of filling a major need. So lemme put on my tin foil hat for a second. Naz is beloved by Avs fans as a whole. So what better way to remedy the loss of a beloved player than by bringing one back? Instant optics upgrade for CMac and the FO. And those questions about how the locker room might not be as tight as it once was? Bring Naz back. Nate is stoked. Cale is stoked. Bednar is stoked. Instant vibes improvement which = better play, which = wins, which = CUP.

BOOM. Make it happen, CNap!!!

The spark from bringing Kadri's personality and swagger back into the room, might actually have the biggest added benefit in bringing Naz back. I just wish we could get $1-2M in retention.

CMac has really shaken up the chemistry that kept the team light during their Cup run.

Let Naz walk. Let EJ walk. Traded Byram. Traded Mikko, who the Finnish players said was the funny guy on the team now, and his loss shook up the locker room a bit. They've been missing Landy for years now. All of those guys kept the room light.

I really think this has impacted the team, because guys like Nate, and Mitts can get down on themselves, and a little frustrated when things aren't going well. With no one to counter that negativity, especially with Nate as such an intense presence on the team, I think it impacts the other guys in the room to an extent as well.

 

[Toothless Legend]

Does seem like that's where it's headed, but we'll see. At this point though, I'm not sure we can say it could be a linemates issue with Mitts.

He's a playmaker, and played with skill players, like one of the best shooters in the NHL in Mikko. He's also played with two puck hounds in Lehky and Val who are also good shooters. Neither seemed to work well.

I think the issue is Mitts not his linemates.

Quite possibly, but sticking him between those two might be the only way he works as our 2C.

 

[Foppa2118]

The Miles Wood contract is going to be a problem...

I wasn't really that concerned before, but he hasn't been skating anywhere near the same after his back injury. That's concerning on a long term deal, especially since he said he may be dealing with it his entire career.

 

[Bender]

Not that i'm against it, but turning Byram into a 34 yr old Kadri when we could've signed Kadri for free (and cheaper) stings.

That's hockey though.

Just like the reasons for refusing to sign Kadri to that $7M - 7 year deal made a lot of sense at the time which I 100% agreed with, don't hold as much water with the parameters we have today.

If I would have had to guess what the cap would be at in 2028 three years ago, I would have guessed somewhere close to $100M certainly not $112 or whatever it's about to jump to...that's a massive difference.

 

[dahrougem2]

I wasn't really that concerned before, but he hasn't been skating anywhere near the same after his back injury. That's concerning on a long term deal, especially since he said he may be dealing with it his entire career.

Honestly, if nobody will take him in the offseason then just waive him. Seriously. Eat the dead cap hit and get some level of savings, and get rid of this donkey.

 

[hockeyfish]

Honestly, if nobody will take him in the offseason then just waive him. Seriously. Eat the dead cap hit and get some level of savings, and get rid of this donkey.

Buying him out wouldn't be that bad either.

 

[Foppa2118]

Honestly, if nobody will take him in the offseason then just waive him. Seriously. Eat the dead cap hit and get some level of savings, and get rid of this donkey.

Here's the options with Wood:

Option 1: $1.35M x 4 in dead cap in the AHL. $2.5M AAV - ($775k league min + $375k)

Option 2: Buyout = $708,333 x 8

Option 3: Trade with retention

Think option 3 would be the way to go if needed. Might be able to get like $775k x 4. Then replace him on the 4th line with a league min salary. Would equal $1.55M cap hit for a 4th liner vs $2.5M with Wood.

 

[myperbixhurts]

Colton gives off Boston Bruins type player vibes. I could see him involved in a package for Zacha (Czech buddy for Necas) and/or Colorado native Carlo.

Why not both? We need a center and D, Zacha and Carlo would be solid pick ups

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Brandon Carlo is not a fit for Bednar’s team.

Good player in the right system, i.e. Boston, but not here.

 

[dahrougem2]

Here's the options with Wood:

Option 1: $1.35M x 4 in dead cap in the AHL. $2.5M AAV - ($775k league min + $375k)

Option 2: Buyout = $708,333 x 8

Option 3: Trade with retention

Think option 3 would be the way to go if needed. Might be able to get like $775k x 4. Then replace him on the 4th line with a league min salary. Would equal $1.55M cap hit for a 4th liner vs $2.5M with Wood.

I don't know if there's any team willing to take Wood without us paying them to take him. I'd rather not pay and retain.

 

[flyfysher]

I don't know if there's any team willing to take Wood without us paying them to take him. I'd rather not pay and retain.

So AHL or buyout? Expensive lesson learned.

 

[Foppa2118]

I don't think the AHL makes sense with Wood. It's too much dead cap. You barely get any savings.

$1.35M dead cap + $775k league min replacement player = $2.125M vs $2.5M 4th liner.

I think you see what kind of interest there is for a Colton + Wood package in the off season. Target a rebuilding club that doesn't have cap concerns. I think Colton still has some value to some teams looking for middle six secondary scoring. Both good locker room guys.

Retain a tad on Wood if you need to. Throw in OO for the negative value on Wood and take a late pick or future considerations back.

If there's no takers then you do a buyout and trade Colton separately.

 

[hockeyfish]

I don't think the AHL makes sense with Wood. It's too much dead cap. You barely get any savings.

$1.35M dead cap + $775k league min replacement player = $2.125M vs $2.5M 4th liner.

I think you see what kind of interest there is for a Colton + Wood package in the off season. Target a rebuilding club that doesn't have cap concerns. I think Colton still has some value to some teams looking for middle six secondary scoring. Both good locker room guys.

Retain a tad on Wood if you need to. Throw in OO for the negative value on Wood and take a late pick or future considerations back.

If there's no takers then you do a buyout and trade Colton separately.

At that point, it's probably just worth it to have Wood be that 4t liner.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[Foppa2118]

At that point, it's probably just worth it to have Wood be that 4t liner.

Yeah, instead of the AHL route I agree. I think they may be able to work some magic with a Colton + Wood off season trade though. GM's have been able to pull off bigger cap dumps.