Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[expatriatedtexan]

Middleton was behind Malinski, CDH, Kylington, Ludvig and Brännström in depth at start of the season. He has played surprisingly well. It's sad to see people wanting to get rid of him when he's just an AHL guy who stepped up when needed. Just send him down when we have better guys in front.

Agree whole-heartedly. And the fact that Bednar appears to want a physical specimen next to Malinski. I'm hoping he's not limited to this by CMac getting Jones and pushing Malinski off the roster when Manson moves down. But then...who do play next to Manson on the third pair becomes the question. I'm leaning towards CDH, but I'm willing to listen to arguments from those who would prefer Kylington.

It's ok to call a spade a spade. He's clearly an AHL player who might be fine in a call-up role should injuries hit for a game or two but nothing more than that.

His decision making, awareness, and lack of puck skill are glaring weaknesses.

I agree with your thoughts on the roster, it's one thing to call a spade a spade and acknowledge what it is. It's another to harp on it continously when there are tools that can be used.

I look at at him like a tool. If you want a little more meat, you use him. You want a little more crazy puck movements you take CDH. If we want to blame anyone for their play, it should be the players eating up the cap that prevents us from having anything nicer here.

 

[nammerus]

Malinski and Middleton require nothing to be replaced. They can just get sent down or better yet claimed. You just need to trade for Jones and one other dman to come here. Don't worry about where these two end up because as I said, both are waivable and can be sent down.

However, there is a place for Mitts, Colton and Wood in the NHL. We all just wish it wasn't with the Avs. Funny to think, but we actually would have enjoyed these guys in our decade of suck.

I just don't believe Mitts can be traded until this summer barring Crosby doing something I do not believe in a million years that he would do. We've already sunk too many assets into the 2C hole lately. Bednar just needs to make a second line. This is on him.

As for the other two, I can't help but think there are some teams that wouldn't mind either RosCo and/or Wood in a deal to offset salary coming our way in a trade with a rebuilding team (CHI w/ Jones) or even as a potential landing spot for a team reducing salary cap for a player headed our way in a three-way deal.

But here's the thing. Why? Why trade all these players who have already shown they are NHL players? They aren't working you say? *looks at the team* Tell me, outside of goaltending, what is? We can't trade the entire team. This is where a GM SHOULD bring in a new coach.

CMac's got to be getting tired of spending on assets that Bednar refuses to work with. What CMac doesn't understand is that if a player isn't on Jared's top line or in his top d-pair, he really doesn't give a shit about them or spend any time on them. The top unit is the same way...After the Rants trade, MacK, Cale and Landy got together and cried it out but not one of them mentioned the rest of the team.

I'm glad Rants is gone, but Bednar needs to go as well. We just went entirely too long without an injection of anything new and without an actual Captain or team leadership. There is still pruning left to be done.

He’s spending assets because he’s terrible at his job and has to fix mistakes after mistake. In a 2.5 year period, this team has had functional 2c play for maybe 2-3 months total. And that doesn’t even address the giant hole at the 3C over that period of time. Just insane amounts of garbage down the middle. That has nothing to do with Bednar (who has issues of his own).

 

[myperbixhurts]

I agree with most of this, except I’m still not on fire Bednar train until the roster gets sorted out. Bednar tried everything to get Mitts going so it’s not his fault Mitts is struggling. Also we don’t really have an NHL 3rd pair on the blueline. Not to mention still missing Val and Landy. When all this gets fixed and Val, Landy are back, and if the team is still win one lose one, then it will be time to fire Bednar

I just don't think you can keep spending asset after asset for player after player and the only consistent is...if they aren't top line/top pair, Bednar doesn't appear to be working with them at all.

Can we really afford to wait until Nuke/Landy are back? I think we've all got to look at the lineup we are currently icing and ask... could another coach do better?

If you think the answer to that is no, then I don't suppose there is anything else I could do to change your opinion on the matter. And you may very well be right. I'm just seeing a guy with more questions than answers right now.

Bottom line is, Avs aren’t underperforming or overachieving. They are what they are and belong exactly where they are in the standings based on what their roster is lacking. I mean the Avs are only few points behind the 2nd place Dallas in central.

As far as Bednar not trying Necas at 2C or wing on the 2nd line, he really should, so I agree with that, but the way Mitts is dragging the 2nd line down, not sure if Necas is gonna be the answer to Mitts struggles. Bednar has tried everyone else including Mikko to get him going. The problem with Mitts is he’s not a shooter. He likes having the puck and creating for his linemates. When he’s not doing that, he’s pretty much useless, and he hasn’t done it for a while.

 

[Toothless Legend]

Isn't Gourde out injured for 6 weeks?

Ayup. That alone should bump him down on any trade board, at the very least.

 

[Grackle Party]

Frank speculates that Calgary or Minnesota would be fits for Mitts, Boston to a lesser degree. Says the Avs want to move on due to consistency issues

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Frank speculates that Calgary or Minnesota would be fits for Mitts, Boston to a lesser degree. Says the Avs want to move on due to consistency issues

Mitts for Rossi, get er done

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Frank speculates that Calgary or Minnesota would be fits for Mitts, Boston to a lesser degree. Says the Avs want to move on due to consistency issues

 

[The Merchant]

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[hockeyfish]

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Frank speculates that Calgary or Minnesota would be fits for Mitts, Boston to a lesser degree. Says the Avs want to move on due to consistency issues

Cant say I see Minny and Colorado trading with each other. Calgary has Kadri, so that is obvious and would be interesting. Boston has Zacka I guess.

 

[Muffin]

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Only if he comes with Andersson.

 

[myperbixhurts]

Didn’t the Flames say Kadri is not available? Who else can we get from Calgary?

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Only if he comes with Andersson.

Well, Kadri and Andersson almost fought each other on the bench last night, so I’m not sure about that.

 

[hockeyfish]

Really, that’s funny?

Well, Kadri and Andersson almost fought each other on the bench last night, so I’m not sure about that.

Really, that’s funny.

Mitts for Rossi, get er done

Mitts for EE, get it done!

 

[expatriatedtexan]

He’s spending assets because he’s terrible at his job and has to fix mistakes after mistake. In a 2.5 year period, this team has had functional 2c play for maybe 2-3 months total. And that doesn’t even address the giant hole at the 3C over that period of time. Just insane amounts of garbage down the middle. That has nothing to do with Bednar (who has issues of his own).

I agree that pretty much every draft pick they make has been a futile effort. And that is fully on the GM for not getting his scouts in order. Although, like we always seem to think, there has been maybe some improvement.

That being said, I don't think you're being fair here in laying the blame solely on him. It's not like he hasn't tried to give Bednar different folks to work with. Even now, Bednar has tried neither Necas nor Drury on the second line as a center. Why? My thoughts are he views Necas as his top winger, so he's locked to MacKinnon. Also Drury was brought in to play 3C and Bednar's been f***ing with him on the 4th line for most of his early tenure. Proving once again, Bednar gives no shits about anything or anyone not on the first line, first pair or first PP unit. He didn't give two shits about the PK until he put Makar back on it.

At some point, you have to question whether any assets spent will please the SOB you've got coaching your team... or maybe... just maybe, someone without blinders on could come in and do something new, something fresh, something more suited to the actual roster and not just the top 5 dudes?

Pretty obvious where I stand. A GM should be given two coaches. If CMac doesn't make a change this summer, I have no problems with him being fired but the hot seat right now should be on Bednar. But I really believe he should have another coach get a go with the roster before he's let go. Let's not forget the Avs have actually hired from a GM from their shop store before. Things can get worse.

 

[Bender]

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I watched an interview with Conroy yesterday where he said that the moves they are considering are with the future in mind.

So personally I think that if the Avs offered up Mitts straight up, I do think Calgary would do it.

What that would do though, is give you 2 runs in my opinion since Kadri is 34 and turning 35 in october. After that, he'd have another 3 years at $7M so they better hope he ages like Jordan Staal and can still be a serviceable player.

Something to think about but I believe that deal is there if the Avs want to pursue it.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I'm just going to watch the train wreck, and try to stay even keel as possible. They're clearly flawed.

Let's see what CMac does. What he does now and how the playoffs play out would be the deciding factor in his future here.

Sakic seemed more in tune with what Bednar actually needed.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

I watched an interview with Conroy yesterday where he said that the moves they are considering are with the future in mind.

So personally I think that if the Avs offered up Mitts straight up, I do think Calgary would do it.

What that would do though, is give you 2 runs in my opinion since Kadri is 34 and turning 35 in october. After that, he'd have another 3 years at $7M so they better hope he ages like Jordan Staal and can still be a serviceable player.

Something to think about but I believe that deal is there if the Avs want to pursue it.

Kadri skates well, plays nasty, and finds a way to contribute. He had 75 points last season for goodness sake.

I have little concern about the contract aging badly. In a rising cap, at worst case, you have a dominant 3C who will still skate hard and knock people’s heads off. His hands aren’t going to disappear in a matter of a couple of years.

If we can flip Mitts for Kadri, you do it in a nano-second.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I agree that pretty much every draft pick they make has been a futile effort. And that is fully on the GM for not getting his scouts in order. Although, like we always seem to think, there has been maybe some improvement.

That being said, I don't think you're being fair here in laying the blame solely on him. It's not like he hasn't tried to give Bednar different folks to work with. Even now, Bednar has tried neither Necas nor Drury on the second line as a center. Why? My thoughts are he views Necas as his top winger, so he's locked to MacKinnon. Also Drury was brought in to play 3C and Bednar's been f***ing with him on the 4th line for most of his early tenure. Proving once again, Bednar gives no shits about anything or anyone not on the first line, first pair or first PP unit. He didn't give two shits about the PK until he put Makar back on it.

At some point, you have to question whether any assets spent will please the SOB you've got coaching your team... or maybe... just maybe, someone without blinders on could come in and do something new, something fresh, something more suited to the actual roster and not just the top 5 dudes?

Pretty obvious where I stand. A GM should be given two coaches. If CMac doesn't make a change this summer, I have no problems with him being fired but the hot seat right now should be on Bednar. But I really believe he should have another coach get a go with the roster before he's let go. Let's not forget the Avs have actually hired from a GM from their shop store before. Things can get worse.

Mmm.. in this instance you have a Stanley Cup winning core and coach handed to you. If you shit the bed because you make poor decisions on roster construction it's on you.

I'd personally fire both. Unless Sakic feels he can get closer to what Bednar needs in an off season to be successful again.

Kadri skates well, plays nasty, and finds a way to contribute. He had 75 points last season for goodness sake.

I have little concern about the contract aging badly. In a rising cap, at worst case, you have a dominant 3C who will still skate hard and knock people’s heads off. His hands aren’t going to disappear in a matter of a couple of years.

If we can flip Mitts for Kadri, you do it in a nano-second.

Agreed

 

[PAZ]

Not that i'm against it, but turning Byram into a 34 yr old Kadri when we could've signed Kadri for free (and cheaper) stings.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I'm just going to watch the train wreck, and try to stay even keel as possible. They're clearly flawed.

Let's see what CMac does. What he does now and how the playoffs play out would be the deciding factor in his future here.

Sakic seemed more in tune with what Bednar actually needed.

Probably the most sane way to go about this. Just hang on and enjoy the ride. We've already got the cup, so realistically we should be happy just watching MacKinnon and Makar fade away over the years and then look forward to a rebuild.

But I'm just too impatient for that shit. You're either competing for the cup, or blowing up your roster. Not a whole lot of in between. Too many teams don't scorch the earth enough or suck long enough to get the right core before exiting the rebuild. Hell, we had several restarts and still weren't anywhere complete on the back end until Makar and Byram where both in the lineup.

 

[The Merchant]

Ok so I know that getting Kadri back has become something of a meme on here, but I think bringing him back would not only improve the team, but make a ton of sense outside of filling a major need. So lemme put on my tin foil hat for a second. Naz is beloved by Avs fans as a whole. So what better way to remedy the loss of a beloved player than by bringing one back? Instant optics upgrade for CMac and the FO. And those questions about how the locker room might not be as tight as it once was? Bring Naz back. Nate is stoked. Cale is stoked. Bednar is stoked. Instant vibes improvement which = better play, which = wins, which = CUP.

BOOM. Make it happen, CNap!!!

 

[hockeyfish]

Not that i'm against it, but turning Byram into a 34 yr old Kadri when we could've signed Kadri for free (and cheaper) stings.

It’s a stop-loss.

 

[dahrougem2]

Not that i'm against it, but turning Byram into a 34 yr old Kadri when we could've signed Kadri for free (and cheaper) stings.

At this point I would trade Mitts for a Nazem Kadri jersey.

I can't believe this guy duped me last season. I really thought we found a cerebral, defensively sound 2C capable of running the 2nd line.

Instead we found ourselves a f***ing nerd.

 

[Alienblood]

At this point I would trade Mitts for a Nazem Kadri jersey.

I can't believe this guy duped me last season. I really thought we found a cerebral, defensively sound 2C capable of running the 2nd line.

Instead we found ourselves a f***ing nerd.

lesson learned lol

 

[The Merchant]

At this point I would trade Mitts for a Nazem Kadri jersey.

I can't believe this guy duped me last season. I really thought we found a cerebral, defensively sound 2C capable of running the 2nd line.

Instead we found ourselves a f***ing nerd.

Picturing Nathan MacKinnon calling Mitts a nerd and shoving him into his locker stall is giving me life