Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[CobraAcesS]

Really wish we would at least give necas a look at center. Becomes so much easier when you can just trade for talent instead of position

Bednar has his job to worry about. Which means tomorrow, not the playoffs or next season.

If it's convenient or needed is the only way he'll try it.

 

[Alienblood]

The first couple of teams that decide to sell will be able to get high prices for their players. That’s for sure.

In the East, it seems only Buffalo and Pittsburgh have accepted their fates and are willing to sell. Maybe Philly. Too many shitty teams all bunched together with hopes of getting a wildcard spot. Detroit, Montreal, the Islanders, Boston, the Rangers…

In the West, you may have a few more. Chicago and San Jose willing to sell. Maybe the likes of Nashville, Seattle, St. Louis, Anaheim, and Utah put the for sale sign up at some point.

Teams will start to separate, but yeah. Not a lot to choose from.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

I don’t know if Buffalo is even selling. More like buying curious.

They just don’t have much to sell. Their best players are all relatively young and locked up. More of a candidate for a hockey trade.

Zucker, Tuch, Lafferty, Jokiharju, Clifton… nothing too interesting.

 

[Vaslof]

I'm not sure I understand this. Wouldn't the Avs then (and every team in the league) be able to acquire insanely expensive players at the TDL?

I don't believe you're trading for a pro-rated cap hit here.

Only if they are under the cap. It evens out in the end. You can run under the cap to bank cap space, then use it on that incoming player who also costs less because most of the games have already been played. Any advantage you get late in the season is paid for by disadvantage earlier in the season.

 

[Pacman33]

Bednar has his job to worry about. Which means tomorrow, not the playoffs or next season.

If it's convenient or needed is the only way he'll try it.

Which is a terrible way to think. Bednar isnt getting fired during the season and we are making the playoffs. Wether we are as good as we’ve been or not, cant see anyway we dont at least make it

 

[myperbixhurts]

Now that the Islanders are making a strong push, they probably won’t be sellers either. They won 7 in a row and now only 3 points out of the playoffs.

One guy that we might able to get for a center is Gourde, although he’s not really a 2C, but a really good 3C, so maybe he can move up and be serviceable as a 2C for short period of time when needed.

Maybe we can get a package deal from Seattle where we get Gourde and Oleksiak. I think that would be solid for us

 

[Avsfan1921]

It’s the same thing if you pick up a hooker early on a weekday, there is no prorated fee, compared to if you pick one up on the weekend. It will cost the same. So I agree with @hockeyfish here

But does early on in the week matter, and is that week starting on a Sunday or Monday?

 

[CobraAcesS]

I think you keep Mitts.. Hes your place holder, and he's slowly getting better.

Go hard on defense. Make a real upgrade.

Seriously Mitts can be a main piece in a trade for Crosby or Kadri. If you can pull one of them absolutely do it.

That's the best shot we have. I don't think Bednar is going to prove out Necas as a center unless forced. If I'm Cmac, post four nations Bednar agrees to give a full number of games to Necas at center or I tell him his job is done. Your job doesn't hang on just making the playoffs alone, but maintaining our star players and the roster healthy and ready to compete in the playoffs.

Force it, hard, and hit the red button on the best thing you can at that point. I'd fkn fire Bednar on the spot if he said no too.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Now that the Islanders are making a strong push, they probably won’t be sellers either. They won 7 in a row and now only 3 points out of the playoffs.

One guy that we might able to get for a center is Gourde, although he’s not really a 2C, but a really good 3C, so maybe he can move up and be serviceable as a 2C for short period of time when needed.

There’s 8 teams within 6 points of each other all thinking they can get a wildcard spot in the East.

8 shit teams.

 

[myperbixhurts]

There’s 8 teams within 6 points of each other all thinking they can get a wildcard spot in the East.

8 shit teams.

Yup, but in west Seattle is going no where. We should get Gourde and Oleksiak

 

[CobraAcesS]

Yup, but in west Seattle is going no where. We should get Gourde and Oleksiak

Meh..

That's the go out with a whimper type moves he's made in the past. Fk no, ill call for his head if that's what he does.

 

[myperbixhurts]

Meh..

Oleksiak, Gourde, then Jones all with retentions, we send Mitts out, I think it could work and our D would be amazing…

Toews-Makar
Girard-Jones
Oleksiak-Manson

That’s a cup winning d core right there

 

[Alienblood]

Let's get the Schenn boys

 

[hockeyfish]

They just don’t have much to sell. Their best players are all relatively young and locked up. More of a candidate for a hockey trade.

Zucker, Tuch, Lafferty, Jokiharju, Clifton… nothing too interesting.

Doubt they would entertain it, but McLoed is about the only one in that team I’d be interested in. If you can’t upgrade on Mitts, at least make center deep.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Oleksiak, Gourde, then Jones all with retentions, we send Mitts out, I think it could work and our D would be amazing…

Toews-Makar
Girard-Jones
Oleksiak-Manson

That’s a cup winning d core right there

Gourde is half dead injured and not going to produce offense. If I knew Necas could hold down the 2C slot maybe.

Right this minute, I take Mitts over Gourde personally. Both defensively and offensively as the 3C.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Yup, but in west Seattle is going no where. We should get Gourde and Oleksiak

Why do we want Gourde? He’s cooked.

5’9”, less than a .5 PPG player, a ton of tread on those tires.

Where do you want him to play?

 

[CobraAcesS]

Why do we want Gourde? He’s cooked.

5’9”, less than a .5 PPG player, a ton of tread on those tires.

Where do you want him to play?

More detailed response above lol

 

[myperbixhurts]

Gourde is half dead injured and not going to produce offense. If I knew Necas could hold down the 2C slot maybe.

Right this minute, I take Mitts over Gourde personally. Both defensively and offensively as the 3C.

Yeah but with my proposal, our D gets ridiculously good. Gourde is on a 40 point pace, Mitts is on a 50 point pace so it’s not a large difference, and with that d core and potentially getting Landy back, I think we can make a run with Gourde at 2C. Or maybe Necas plays 2C.

Actually Gourde is on a 37 point pace but maybe he gets the Avs bump and produces more offense.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Yeah but with my proposal, our D gets ridiculously good. Gourde is on a 40 point pace, Mitts is on a 50 point pace so it’s not a large difference, and with that d core and potentially getting Landy back, I think we can make a run with Gourde at 2C. Or maybe Necas plays 2C

No Oleksiak doesn't make our D ridiculously good. That's Jones.

Weeeeeeaaaak sauce

Oleksiak isn't a #4RHD. The only way you make our defense ridiculously good is if you force Manson to the bottom pair.

I'm not sure the corpse of Gourde is better than Mitts, but I know, all people are seeing is Mitts not producing the last few months.

 

[myperbixhurts]

No Oleksiak doesn't make our D ridiculously good. That's Jones.

Weeeeeeaaaak sauce

Oleksiak isn't a #4RHD. The only way you make our defense ridiculously good is if you force Manson to the bottom pair.

I'm not sure the corpse of Gourde is better than Mitts, but I know, all people are seeing is Mitts not producing the last few months.

My proposal had Oleksiak playing on 3rd pair with Manson while Girard and Jones on 2nd pair.

We’re getting all of them. We need to think greedy

 

[Foppa2118]

That is how it works based on what I read here:

https://puckpedia.com/salary-cap/answers/traded-cap-hits-proration

Of course someone can double check the source, this should all be on the public CBA documents.

Thank you for this, I couldn't find anywhere that the CBA detailed this. @CobraAcesS @hockeyfish I stand corrected if this is true.

It's probably because you get to go over the cap on LTIR for the full amount, instead of a pro rated amount, but that still gives a very unfair advantage for other teams trying to trade for the same player.

Say a team is $2M under the cap, but a $10M player gets injured for the rest of the season.

So their choice is to either go on LTIR for $8M over the cap, and replace the player while not being able to make additional trades at the deadline for pro rated contracts like other teams.

Or don't replace the player so you can compete with other teams to trade for players on pro rated contracts later on at the deadline.

You could also have non playoff teams willing to wait and add expensive players under contract for the future at the deadline, while playoff teams have to possibly forgo adding the same player just so they can replace their injured player with LITR early in the season.

Meanwhile teams that got lucky with no big injuries can make trades that the inured teams can't. Or the injured teams have to pay more assets to get one or more teams to retain salary. Assuming retention is still the same.

This seems very poorly thought through.

 

[CobraAcesS]

My proposal had Oleksiak playing on 3rd pair with Manson while Girard and Jones on 2nd pair

So you want Jones, Davy Jones, and Oleksiak?

Why? I'll take Seth Jones, Mitts, and Oleksiak sure.

Thank you for this, I couldn't find anywhere that the CBA detailed this. @CobraAcesS @hockeyfish I stand corrected if this is true.

It's probably because you get to go over the cap on LTIR for the full amount, instead of a pro rated amount, but that still gives a very unfair advantage for other teams trying to trade for the same player.

Say a team is $2M under the cap, but a $10M player gets injured for the rest of the season.

So their choice is to either go on LTIR for $8M over the cap, and replace the player while not being able to make additional trades at the deadline for pro rated contracts like other teams.

Or don't replace the player so you can compete with other teams to trade for players on pro rated contracts later on at the deadline.

You could also have non playoff teams willing to wait and add expensive players under contract for the future at the deadline, while playoff teams have to possibly forgo adding the same player just so they can replace their injured player with LITR early in the season.

This seems very poorly thought through.

This is what I was expecting, for one to negate the other. Yeah, it's dumb, but some mathlete came up with it.

 

[myperbixhurts]

So you want Jones, Davy Jones, and Oleksiak?

Why? I'll take Seth Jones, Mitts, and Oleksiak sure.

I’m not sure who’s more drunk me or you? Couple of more drinks for me, I’m gonna propose we get every freakin body in the NHL.

Seriously though I think we can make the cap work if we send Mitts and get Seth Jones and then get Oleksiak and another depth center if we don’t want Gourde. All need to come with retentions though

 

[Foppa2118]

I try o do my best with it, but I will never be an Hench’s level. I hope some team plucked him up and that’s why he left.

Anyway, Foppa is right that cap hits calculated daily, and sliced into a daily hit to make it work. But his example doesn’t quite work because the player added mid season is replacing a player who was already counting towards the cap. If you add a 950k player mid way, who replaces a 950k player, it evens out to 950k for that roster spot, not 475k.

I think in that scenario, under the normal pro rated contracts, both players would be pro rated though. The one going out and the one coming in. So they'd both be $475k and add up to the same $950k.

I'm not sure I understand this. Wouldn't the Avs then (and every team in the league) be able to acquire insanely expensive players at the TDL?

I don't believe you're trading for a pro-rated cap hit here.

They do though. I don't know about insanely expensive, but that's why so many teams have to wait until the deadline to trade for expensive players.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I’m not sure who’s more drunk me or you? Couple of more drinks for me, I’m gonna propose we get every freakin body in the NHL

Well you enjoyed the Davy Jones reference, so I did my job.

Cheers