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Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

niwotsblessing said:
Petterson is a center, 2C behind MacKinnon, which is a more valuable/important position for constructing a team. He would also replace Mitts, so that would help to balance out the books some. Wingers are easier to find, and a good winger becomes better with a good+ center, especially if we find a stylistic match.

Spending a ton of money on a winger who does not "drive" his line, and who's numbers benefit from other players is not optimal.

I advocated to trade Mikko to afford more depth. However, I recognize the potential of Petterson as part of a larger remake of the team, which in this case makes the core younger. In my view this is a separate opportunity from the Mikko trade, in that it is a result of Mitts not properly filling the 2C role. If we could trade Mitts, Colton, and Wood for Petterson we'd be clearing some less effective players off the roster for key component for a Cup winning team.
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So 100+ point wingers like Mikko are easy find now?
If you advocated for Mikko to be traded to afford more depth, but now think swapping Mitts, Colton and Wood for EP is a good idea, dont know what to say to you - how exactly cant you see that would be polar opposite to why you traded Mikko in the first place.

Sure you could argue that Mitts, Colton Wood are not good enough - but how exactly swapping them for a single player improves depth, i fail to see.
 
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I know there’s a polarizing attitude towards JT Miller here. And I get it. He’s got a shit attitude with a questionable work ethic on ice. But at the same time, he quite literally provides exactly what we need.
He has size as a center, he has sandpaper to his game and most importantly he generates offense, which we are desperate for.
Now, will he mesh in the room? IDK. Will he cause problems? IDK.
But let’s be honest, if he had a good attitude, he would never be available in the first place.

We basically need 1 of 2 things to happen. For Mitts to become more consistently the guy who was here for the first 40ish games, or for a clear upgrade.
I struggle to find any 2Cs out there that are available that are clear upgrades. What teams, have a 2C available, where they’re interested in downgrading the position?
 
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Vaslof said:
I was just asking you to do it so that you'd realize how much an extra 2.4M can make a difference when building the team.
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Thats if Mikko was really getting 14, which he likely would not. And anyway, if we aim to improve the 3C and entire third pairing on D, 2,4 is not going to change a thing. Thats the money we already pay to people we have there, so if you are looking to replace them with people earning about the same, just go and try swap them 1 for 1, instead of getting rid of your superstar player to save the money to get them.

Btw if we hypothetically lose Mitts, Colton and Wood for EP, now we have to replace both Colton and Wood for that hypothetical 2,4m amount (likely less). When just Wood himself AFAIK earns more - so good luck getting 2 better players to replace them. And you still did not fix the bottom pairing.
 
If NYI become a serious contender for EP, maybe there's a way to do a 3-way and get Horvat from them. Doubtful of course, but the benefit would be that Van probably wouldn't want Horvat back in a return since that bridge was burned, would prefer a guy like Mitts to Nelson, and NYI would have to shed a significant amount of cap to make it happen.

Of course NYI would probably jettison Nelson/Pageau before exploring that idea, but easier said than done on the Pageau front
 
Miri said:
So 100+ point wingers like Mikko are easy find now?
If you advocated for Mikko to be traded to afford more depth, but now think swapping Mitts, Colton and Wood for EP is a good idea, dont know what to say to you - how exactly cant you see that would be polar opposite to why you traded Mikko in the first place.

Sure you could argue that Mitts, Colton Wood are not good enough - but how exactly swapping them for a single player improves depth, i fail to see.
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Well... They traded Mikko for 2 players for one. Having quality Center depth is also significantly more important than having quality winger depth.


I personally don't care much for Pete anymore... But having Center depth of Mack->Pete->Drury would be elite. Only Edmonton would challenge that.


And even if you ship out all 3 of Wood/Colton/Mitts to make it work. You still have Lehky, Nuke, Drouin, Necas for your Top 6 Wingers. You still have LOC, Kivi, Parsnip for bottom 6 wingers. And you might be adding Landy to that equation as well...


And then you'd still have trade assets to get another Top 9 winger or two at the deadline also.
 
Miri said:
So what is your reasoning then? Why would you want Pettersson, at similar money to Mikko?

Wanted to trade Mikko for cheaper player (ike Necas) to have cap to get one additional decent player at 6-7 mio(or 2 cheaper ones at 3+) i understood. I disliked it, but i understood why it might be actually beneficial. It made sense.

but bringing Pettersson now as replacement just doesnt. Not if the excuse for getting rid of Mikko was a need for more depth. And this irks me to see people now being seemingly content with such move - it reeks of massive hypocrisy, it seems the depth was not really as much of an issue as some irraional dislike for Mikko, or possibly equally irrational desire for mikko being traded strictly for the thrill of seeing the potential reward and subsequent shake-up of the line-up. This is what it looks now to me from where i stand.

Its not that i do t want Pettersson myself, i find the proposition exciting too, i just wish people here were more genuine during these discussions, and would not hide their intentions behind “depth” excuses, when as it turns out now, they wished for other teams superstar all-along. Cause i guess our own superstar became boring to them.
Credit to Freaky Styley and Tommy Shelby to stick to their guns here. But pretty sure there were way more people who wanted Mikko gone.
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Sounds like you are pretending like $11.6m for a 1C is the same value as $13-14m for a winger. And that they're the same age. And that the Avs weren't under time pressure with the risk of losing Rantanen for nothing.
 
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Miri said:
So 100+ point wingers like Mikko are easy find now?
If you advocated for Mikko to be traded to afford more depth, but now think swapping Mitts, Colton and Wood for EP is a good idea, dont know what to say to you - how exactly cant you see that would be polar opposite to why you traded Mikko in the first place.

Sure you could argue that Mitts, Colton Wood are not good enough - but how exactly swapping them for a single player improves depth, i fail to see.
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2 lines that score is deeper than one line that scores. Also positional depth is a thing. That’s what they are saying.

Petterson has shown he is a high end line driver although he is struggling lately.

I don’t know if I want him due to his recent struggles, but I get the logic behind it.
 
Alienblood said:
Everyday I wake up I like the Mikko trade more and more.

Like to see Necas at C sometime
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Well I guess your gonna be disappointed.

Carolina fans pretty much said Necas as Versatile Twoway Center is a triple bogey 😅

And seeing his play he definately is a winger who benefits from freedom to play fast in the perimeter.

Yeah lets handcuff him to a defensive role.

Avs 1st line sucks at their own end because Mack is terrible at defensive end.
 
Jasenr said:
Well I guess your gonna be disappointed.

Carolina fans pretty much said Necas as Versatile Twoway Center is a triple bogey 😅

And seeing his play he definately is a winger who benefits from freedom to play fast in the perimeter.

Yeah lets handcuff him to a defensive role.

Avs 1st line sucks at their own end because Mack is terrible at defensive end.
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Let's try him there for ourselves not Carolina fans. Won't hurt to give him. a look. He m8ght need to olay there if more injured occur. Someone is getting hurt at 4 Nations
 
Richard88 said:
Sounds like you are pretending like $11.6m for a 1C is the same value as $13-14m for a winger. And that they're the same age. And that the Avs weren't under time pressure with the risk of losing Rantanen for nothing.
Pierce Hawthorne said:
Well... They traded Mikko for 2 players for one. Having quality Center depth is also significantly more important than having quality winger depth.


I personally don't care much for Pete anymore... But having Center depth of Mack->Pete->Drury would be elite. Only Edmonton would challenge that.


And even if you ship out all 3 of Wood/Colton/Mitts to make it work. You still have Lehky, Nuke, Drouin, Necas for your Top 6 Wingers. You still have LOC, Kivi, Parsnip for bottom 6 wingers. And you might be adding Landy to that equation as well...


And then you'd still have trade assets to get another Top 9 winger or two at the deadline also.
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so if we have all those players and we are cool with them, to the point we can actually lose 3 of them, what was the purpose of trading Mikko away? Surely was not depth issues. Why it was cited as reason then?
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On topic of me pretending anything, last time i checked, there were no multipliers added to the contracts based on the position. So no, i am not pretending anything, EP at 11,6 is not a better value than Mikko at 13, just because he is a center. Especially if he keeps producing at his current pace.

Additionally, we already have 1C. What we need is 2C and better third-pairing D, not another 1C.
 
Avsfan1921 said:
2 lines that score is deeper than one line that scores. Also positional depth is a thing. That’s what they are saying.

Petterson has shown he is a high end line driver although he is struggling lately.

I don’t know if I want him due to his recent struggles, but I get the logic behind it.
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And Mikko had to be played on the first line at all costs? He was not glued to MacKinnon. We could have 2 scoring line with him already. If we did not this season, it was cause more of a case of Mittelstadt being non-factor for half a season and Nichuskin being unavailable too - more often than not.
 
Miri said:
And Mikko had to be played on the first line at all costs? He was not glued to MacKinnon. We could have 2 scoring line with him already. If we did not this season, it was cause more of a case of Mittelstadt being non-factor for half a season and Nichuskin being unavailable too - more often than not.
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It appears he did have to play there at all costs, yes. Also the limited time he did spend on other lines, he did not take the reins. Outside of a short stint several years ago, he has not had success away from MacKinnon.

The organization has talked all week about adding depth, spreading out minutes and scoring and creating multiple line that carry play. If Mikko could have done that separately from Mack he wouldn’t have been traded. We would have stalked him to mittlestadt to try and jumpstart him.
 
Avsfan1921 said:
Outside of a short stint several years ago, he has not had success away from MacKinnon.
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Outside of the last one and a half seasons, he's had plenty of success away from MacKinnon.

Necas could be a better fit with Mittelstadt though.
 
LOFIN said:
Outside of the last one and a half seasons, he's had plenty of success away from MacKinnon.

Necas could be a better fit with Mittelstadt though.
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Care to elaborate? I may be misremembering but when has he spent any significant time away from MacKinnon due to injury?
 
Avsfan1921 said:
Care to elaborate? I may be misremembering but when has he spent any significant time away from MacKinnon due to injury?
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I don't know about signifficant time, but for an example in 2020-2021 Rantanen actually had better 5v5 stats without MacKinnon than with him when looking at production per 60.
 
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