You see, you say we have solid depth with MacK/Pettersson, but lack of depth was cited as the main reason why so many people here could not wait to see Mikko go. Thats why i am confused.
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One of the differences would be C v W. Depth isn't just talent depth, but positional depth. If we brought in a 1C playing 2C that could run their own line, that would be deeper than stacking the 1st line.
Avs have been a 1-line team for almost a decade, the only exceptions were when Staz/ROR/Duchy/MacK were here and then when Kadri ran the 2nd line. Outside of that, all their depth has been at the wing and their 2nd line has often been an afterthought of 'young and promising' players that never held up to the task.
That being said... not sure I'd want Petey myself. These emotionally weak young players aren't going to come and find a renaissance here, this team isn't as strong culturally as it once was to bring in broken players.
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Manson has to be replaced by a new D-man. His cap hit should be earmarked for his successor.
Colton will definitely be gone.
Lehkonen I hope we can re-sign. We will definitely try.
Girard is in the same situation as Manson. If he leaves, we need a D-man to replace him.
Pettersson is a unique opportunity. Players that good rarely come available. If you can do Mittelstadt+ for him, it's probably worth it. I do feel like someone else will pay more for him.
Without him though, we are relying on either Mittelstadt or Pärssinen being our 2C this season, with Ritchie joining the race next season. It's a similar situation that has failed for us so many times.
Players like Petey don't move if they are playing their best etc. you have to take risks when they are down. Look at Vegas and their #1 center, Eichel. Look at Thornton, not happy.
You are never buying elite players at ideal situations unless it's like Lindros.. Meaning we got kings ransom.
Super super players rarely move and if they do they have some problem with the team or something else! Why else would team move players like that?
Look at Duchene, look at ROR. They had problem and were sent away. Colorado got bad deal with ROR but good with Duchene. In the end you don't want to trade great players. It's only if something bad happens these guys become available.
Same as Calgary and Tkachuk etc
So many examples but maybe different reasons.
We moved moose because his demands. That's the only reason.
Miller and Petey are proven great players. Those are attractive options. Replace Mitts with one of them and we are way better team. Not close.
That's why I said we have to at least explore the situation. When great players become available (which isn't often), you have to at least ask what it would take.
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All fair points. I suppose the context for me is that Petey appears to be emotionally weak in the locker room, doesn't enjoy being called out for lackadaisical play. Tkachuk didn't have that issue. If we're going all-in, I'd rather a headstrong player like Miller. But I think he's too old personally.
If this rumor Hughes will want out holds water, Avs should just offer the sun and the moon for him. I think defense is where we need to through our chips. Upgrade G or M. This team won't contend with Petey (imo). But a top pairing that can play 30 Mins each.... That could change the equation.
People forget how much Neids-Pronger, Suter-Weber, Rafalski-Lids and Keith-Seabrook carried their clubs as there aren't any elite pairings like that anymore. Toews is great with Makar... Definitely Rafalaki level. But another #1D over a #1C would elevate this club higher imo. Just like I'd rather Jones over a Mitts upgrade.
I'd take Miller too. As much as he is a dick we won with Kadri who everyone hates. Some dick energy ain't bad. Haha.
Not to mention he would be way cheaper than Petey. Thats probably the biggest selling point.
I think they have to do something big. Several other teams are including Edmonton, Dallas and Vegas.
It's a must
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Again, J.T Miller is not this headstrong, give-it-all-you-got player who wants Petey to do what he does to win.
Even Miller's coach is sick of his shit. He's lazy, he's bad defensively when he's not trying, and he is a bad teammate.
Don't confuse Pettersson's dislike of Miller for someone who is mentally fragile.
If you kept getting called out for stuff that the person calling you out for does on his own accord, you wouldn't want to be around that person, either.
If you can get Petey, go get him. There's a difference in allocating 12.5M+ to a winger vs 11.6M to a center.
Even Miller's coach is sick of his shit. He's lazy, he's bad defensively when he's not trying, and he is a bad teammate.
Don't confuse Pettersson's dislike of Miller for someone who is mentally fragile.
If you kept getting called out for stuff that the person calling you out for does on his own accord, you wouldn't want to be around that person, either.
If you can get Petey, go get him. There's a difference in allocating 12.5M+ to a winger vs 11.6M to a center.
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Last year in Millers all world "2 way" season where he score 103pts. He was -4 on net high danger chances. The year before where he scored 82pts he was -26. The year before where he put up 99pts, he was -17. It's impressive how he's gotten this moniker as being such a high end 2 way guy.
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I literally never heard of Miller being a 2-way guy.
When he's not pouting he's the 1C version of Nazem Kadri: a loner on his line who can drive offense on his own.
There's a reason the Canucks decided to keep him over Horvat.
I still think he'd be a fantastic 2C here.
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Yeah, he really isn't good in his own end.
Seriously? It's a well-known rep Miller has of being a two-way center. The media hyped it up like crazy last year as he played against McDavid when the real two-way guy is Pettersson.
Don't get me wrong, when Miller dedicates himself to playing good D he can be great. We saw that vs Colorado a few weeks back. Problem is he does that once every few games only.
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I seriously don't care about that. Mack, Rants, Necas...none of these guys are good defensively.
If Miller could get 90 points on the 2nd line here that'd be such a huge offense boost. He's a lot better and more dynamic than Mitts.
Yes he's pouting right now but he's been stuck in this shitty situation for so long. You know that if Kadri was in the same situation he'd be pouting as well. These 2 have similar personalities.
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One part of the rift (assuming it's because of playing style and whatnot) could be that EP40 can't take Miller seriously when the latter is preaching all this stuff about hard work, effort and emotion to the "soft and lazy" Pettersson, while EP40 watches Miller float around in his own zone.
"Yeah yeah, shut the f*** up you hypocrite".
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But Kadri WAS good defensively. Not Selke level of course but he was better than Miller. You need some level of two-way play up front. You bring in Miller and all of a sudden your top two centers are disasters in their own zone.
Pettersson can be just as offensive as Miller even though you might not believe it while being better defensively.
Seriously, does anyone think the guy wouldn't produce here with, say, Lehkonen and one of Drouin/Nichushkin on his wing along with being on the PP? Petey has a rocket of a one timer and could definitely use it here.
I think that's exactly what it is. The craziest part of this is Pettersson has been public about wanting to stay. Like, that guy is saying all the right things, he wants to be there. Miller certainly hasn't said as much.
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I feel like most anyone who's played competitive sports has dealt with someone like Miller. Now not to the extent of Millers douchebaggery, but that one guy who is always telling people what to do and how to play when they themselves either don't do it or can't do it. And it's f***ing exhausting to deal with.
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I'd rather have EP, mostly because of age, but the cost and cap hit isn't the same. Miller would cost much less to acquire and his AAV is only 2.25M more than Mitts.
LOFIN
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Now keep in mind, he said that after the rumours about Miller probably getting traded had begun.
dahrougem2
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Maybe so, but he also knows his name is out there and he has stated publicly he wants to stay. I'll take his word for it.
LOFIN
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Yeah sure. My point is, obviously he wants to stay if Miller is traded. If Miller is not traded, maybe he doesn't want to stay.
I really hope the Jones rumors aren't true. I'm just not a fan at all. Wildly overrated player.
But they gotta do SOMETHING about this defense. It's nowhere near good enough.
But they gotta do SOMETHING about this defense. It's nowhere near good enough.
Name I've only heard a bit but what about someone like Morgan Frost? Not sure what it'd take to get him or how he'd fit ultimately but seems to be a fairly good young forward with good skating. He's had a decent year. Not sure how the board feels though.
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Depth wouldn't have been an issue of Mikko signed for $11.6m. It would have been a problem if he had signed for closer to $13-14m.
