Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[Tommy Shelby]

Boeser is the only one we should be targeting from the Canucks, especially if Nuke is going to be out for a long time
He would also fill the goal-scoring void left by not having Rants, Nuke or Landy on the ice anymore

 

[Miri]

We know the Avs were prepared to pay Rantanen $11.75m AAV.

Rantanen $11.75m + Mittelstadt $5.75m = $17.5m

Pettersson $11.6m + Necas $6.5 = $18.1m

A difference of $600k.

With Pettersson and Necas you have the younger duo with more spent of the center, albeit a year less term on Necas' deal compared to Mittelstadt. The 2nd option is a no brainer imo.

I think its up to debate which combo is better. Necas is likely better player than Mitts, but same can be said about Rantanen vs EP. Yes, EP had 100 point season 2 years ago as well, but right now he is not exactly setting the world alight with his performances with 31 in 43. Certainly not numbers worth 11,5 millions.

Then there is a question of what would it take to get Pettersson out of Vancouver, on top of Mittelstadt. You may end up with 2 younger players overall, but paying more in assets for that privilege, when you could have just signed Rants without the need to give up anything. Granted, this is highly hypothetical at this point. But Vancouver is no doubt to go part with their biggest talent not named Hughes in exchange for bunch of average players, they gonna ask for a lot on top of that imo, in terms of futures.

Anyway, my point was different, it was more about my curiosity to people´s reaction to this potential trade, specifically the people who could not wait to see Rantanen trade and the reasoning was we could not afford him, cause we than cant sign enough quality depth players. I often felt that was in lot of cases an excuses to see the fireworks and seeing now EP´s trade being discussed here as an viable option, kinda affirms me in that conviction. Granted, might not be the same people.

 

[Richard88]

If they take Mitts + one of Manson or Colton.

It would be real tough to convince Manson or Colton to accept the trade though.

They don't need to take Colton or Manson, just Mittelstadt is enough.

The roster below has $5.599m in capspace.

The difference between Pettersson ($11.6m) and Mittelstadt ($5.75m) is $5.85m.

So swapping Mittelstadt for Pettersson would put the Avs over the cap by only $251k. Which would be easily rectified simply by sending Kylington to the AHL and replacing him with any Dman making $799k or less.

And in the off-season the Avs have tonnes of capspace to manoeuvre. Honestly CMac should be all over this, it's just a question of whether or not he has the asset(s) to make the best offer Vancouver will get for Pettersson league-wide... Which is where I think this idea falls apart as an offer of Mittelstadt + Ritchie + picks/prospects likely gets beat by other teams.

 

[Richard88]

EP, Makar, and Necas all 26. Mack is all old and shit at 29 lol.

With EP the window gets longer. He can eventually take over as 1C and MacKinnon would still be a viable 2C even with the aging curve. Without EP it's basically done once MacKinnon declines.

 

[Freaky Styley]

I personally don't understand the Pettersson hype. Look, he's obviously a talented player but he's butter soft and not a guy you win with in the playoffs IMO. Plus I'd rather pay Mikko 12.5 than Elias 11.5. Give me Kadri 10/10 for multiple reasons.

Not to mention trading for EP and his contract would go directly against what CMac listed as his reasons for trading Rants - to improve depth. You just create the same situation.

 

[Balthazar]

I personally don't understand the Pettersson hype. Look, he's obviously a talented player but he's butter soft and not a guy you win with in the playoffs IMO. Plus I'd rather pay Mikko 12.5 than Elias 11.5. Give me Kadri 10/10 for multiple reasons.

Kadri is like 52. He certainly won't keep the window open longer.

 

[Freaky Styley]

Kadri is like 52. He certainly won't keep the window open longer.

Who said anything about keeping the window open longer? I want to win now.

But the Rantanen trade was made for that very reason. They aren't going to undo that by bringing in another bloated contract. EP is too big of a wildcard to handcuff the team like that, and stylistically about the opposite of what this current team needs.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

Why is this board so obsessed with EP? I don't get it.

This is my Lil Sebastian moment

 

[Freaky Styley]

Assuming CMac is looking to add two Dmen by the TDL, and that Kylington and Malinski would be the ones coming off the roster to make room (either by demotion or trade), that leaves the roster below and $7.499m in capspace to use towards two Dmen to have a 22 man roster (13F/7D).

Say for example that one of the two Dmen acquired would be Dumoulin @50% ($1.575m), acquired using one of the two 2025 2nd round picks. That still leaves plenty of tradable assets and $5.924m to allocate towards a RHD.

With Manson aging and hitting UFA in 2026 one would think that CMac will have an eye on the future and try to get a solid 2nd pairing type of RHD with some term (or at least team control) if he can.

That being the case it's easy to see why Jones would be of interest, though he'd have to come in at closer to $6-6.5m to make it work without sending money back.

Capwise the one that makes the most sense on this scenario is Rasmus Andersson at $4.55m X2. Adding Dumoulin at 50% and Andersson at full value would still leave $1.374m to put towards a 23rd roster player, like another depth forward for instance. Andersson would also have an extra year of term that would align with Manson hitting UFA, which makes it easy to use Manson's money to re-sign Rasmus.

In an ideal world the RHD replacing Manson long-term would be someone a bit bigger and more physical though, so we circle back to Jones again. Honestly just find a way to acquire Jones with some retention, he ticks all the boxes.

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by the time Andersson needs a new contract he's probably making $8M+ with the rising cap and would cost more to acquire. I agree it would be better to target Jones with retention and just ship out the money to make it work. Andersson only makes more sense if Kadri is coming with him IMO, otherwise go after a guy like Gourde @50%, or Nelson, but not sure we'd have the assets to pull it all off.

 

[Balthazar]

Who said anything about keeping the window open longer? I want to win now.

CMac literally just showed you (again) that it's not how they think.

They know it's hard to win the cup, everything has to go right in order the win, and they want to keep that window open as long as possible to get as many shots as possible with Mack and Makar.

 

[Miri]

Why is this board so obsessed with EP? I don't get it.

This is my Lil Sebastian moment

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Seems like a classic case of a grass (EP40) being greener than the one on our side of fence (Mikko).

 

[Foppa2118]

Seems like a classic case of a grass (EP40) being greener than the one on our side of fence (Mikko).

Mikko's really been unfairly treated this year IMO. He's 6th in scoring with a 41 goal 105 point pace.

If people are upset at Mikko for what they perceive as effort and engagement issues, they'd be even more upset with EP, who has the same if not worse issues, but only puts up 70-80 points most years.

 

[EdAVSfan]

I put the odds at a JTM trade to us at very low.

I put a trade of EP to us as non-existant.

I don’t see the Avs replacing what they wanted to pay Mikko with what EP is making.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Why is this board so obsessed with EP? I don't get it.

This is my Lil Sebastian moment

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Hope of buying low and hitting a jackpot

If it works out you have two elite centers

 

[CobraAcesS]

Seems like a classic case of a grass (EP40) being greener than the one on our side of fence (Mikko).

Uh no..

It's EP40 vs Mitts.. If it was Mikko vs EP40 we'd be actually open to flipping Necas for him. No one has suggested that except delusional Vancouver fans.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I put the odds at a JTM trade to us at very low.

I put a trade of EP to us as non-existant.

I don’t see the Avs replacing what they wanted to pay Mikko with what EP is making.

EP makes a ton of sense for how CMac does things. You'd get team control through all of EP's prime years and we'd be saving money on what we would've paid Mikko which would give us more cap flexibility long term. I don't know about the feasibility of it happening now, but I think it would track with wht Cmac likes to do.

 

[Foppa2118]

CMac literally just showed you (again) that it's not how they think.

They know it's hard to win the cup, everything has to go right in order the win, and they want to keep that window open as long as possible to get as many shots as possible with Mack and Makar.

This is how I thought they were thinking before, but then the Byram trade made that look otherwise. That was very much a window shortening, everything else be damned, win now move. Especially since they knew they weren't going to be able to sign Mitts long term.

Maybe they've realized they took the D core for granted though, and will make up for it this year with a D man trade. I hope so. The Jones rumors might suggest that. He would be a good #3 on this team if the Hawks can retain some salary.

They need to get back to that Big 3 model, with at least 2 good NHL D men behind them, for a very good top 5. With a solid #6 PK guy. That's what helped them win the Cup.

 

[Miri]

Uh no..

It's EP40 vs Mitts.. If it was Mikko vs EP40 we'd be actually open to flipping Necas for him. No one has suggested that except delusional Vancouver fans.

EP earns 2x as much as Mitts, you had to get rid of Mikko for EP start being even hypothetical option.

 

[CobraAcesS]

EP earns 2x as much as Mitts, you had to get rid of Mikko for EP start being even hypothetical option.

But it is now

What's better Necas & EP or Mikko & Mitts?

 

[Freaky Styley]

CMac literally just showed you (again) that it's not how they think.

They know it's hard to win the cup, everything has to go right in order the win, and they want to keep that window open as long as possible to get as many shots as possible with Mack and Makar.

Yes, but he also said they need to spread the money out to do that. Adding EP goes directly against that concept. CMac said they are still 'all in'. Adding a guy like Kadri helps the win now while also still spreading the money around.

 

[lionsDen]

No way to EP. This team needs defense in the worst way…that’s priority #1

 

[BobRossColton]

Some combination of Marcus Petterson, Dumoulin and rasmus andersson please..

Go for the defense wins championship method.

 

[Balthazar]

No way to EP. This team needs defense in the worst way…that’s priority #1

 

[AnimalMother73]

They keep taking one step forward two steps back w trades and signings that haven’t worked. Colton, Wood, Ryjo, Fourgiev, Mitts, de Haan, Kyllington are all underperforming / underperformed expectations. A number of those are perplexing in and of themselves. Team is built on speed so bring in Ryjo and then replace him w the equally slow footed Mitts? Starting the season w only one defensemen over 6’ tall? Primary reason we get cycled to death is the D can’t physically dislodge the puck from opponents since they are mostly Smurfs. We lose out even more when we have ship some of them out due to their, surprise poor performance. I am not really sold that CMac / Salic are really all that capable as mgmt.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Here’s why I want EP40, it’s a rare opportunity to get a player of his upside. He has legit 100+ point, Selke-candidate upside. For all the talk that he won’t succeed in the playoffs, he’s been there twice. Once he was just over PPG, and the other time was last year where he struggled. If you can swing a deal around him for Mitts I think you have to do it, the upside is just too much