Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[the_fan]

The problem is how can they get better?

The way I see it the team had their core foundation in place and they had two big chips. Those two big chips were the Byram and Newhook picks. Which turned into Mitts and Colton.

And now they need to upgrade from Mitts and Colton. And also from Manson.

Lehkonen is the other logical trading piece. Not sure what else moves the needle.

I’m not really sure if Jones is better than Manson, if he is, we can include Mitts in a deal which gets us Jones, then make another trade for a 2C where we send Manson and get someone better at 2C than Mitts.

But then we’d still need couple of more pieces. Mainly an entire bottom pair D. I’m not even sure how that’s all possible to stay cap compliant. Landy for sure has to stay on LTIR until playoffs, and maybe we can move Wood because we do have plenty of wingers.

All I know is that the Avs roster does need big shake up

 

[hockeyfish]

Mitts for Pinto and a 2nd.

Manson, Wood, NRY 2nd, Ott 2nd, Gulyayev for Jones 2M retained + Donato.

Net cap hit is only + .5M.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Count me in the group that would take Jones in a heartbeat in a 2nd pairing role but I just can't see how we can make it work considering Jones cap hit. I can't see the Hawks and/or a 3rd team retaining for 5 seasons. He would cost less at full cap hit but how are we supposed to afford decent depth if we take on his full 9.5M cap hit.

 

[John Mandalorian]

You think he's going to magically improve at the age of 31 because he'd be coming to the Avs? A team that's in cap hell and incapable of playing three good games in a row?

Now, if they retain a chunk of salary and take back Miles Wood's sorry ass.....

It’s a little weird that you’re calling out people for being on board with this then at the end you mention retention would make it palatable. Pretty much everyone on board with this is assuming retention is involved and that it wouldn’t be feasible otherwise. It’s been like this for the past 10 pages.

 

[JLo217]

Rants for EP and send Mitts out for something. C depth and Jones in top 4 would certainly be formidable on paper if healthy

 

[Avs_19]

It’s a little weird that you’re calling out people for being on board with this then at the end you mention retention would make it palatable. Pretty much everyone on board with this is assuming retention is involved and that it wouldn’t be feasible otherwise. It’s been like this for the past 10 pages.

Palatable would be Jones at a net of around $4M/yr. With Chicago retaining $3M and Wood's contract going the other way. If that's the deal then I take back what I said about it being lunacy and I'm on board.

 

[Balthazar]

I mean if we are talking about Jones heavily retained to replace Manson, that should be an enticing deal. Jones at say 5.5M (or even less) as your #4 D-man for the next few years? Hell yeah.

That's a shitload of retention that you suggest there. Something that never happened in NHL history.

We're talking well over 20M and pretty severely handicapping the Hawks by taking one retention spot + significant cap space for 6 seasons.

 

[BobRossColton]

Mitts for Pinto and a 2nd.

Manson, Wood, NRY 2nd, Ott 2nd, Gulyayev for Jones 2M retained + Donato.

Net cap hit is only + .5M.

Would Pinto fit bednar's system?

 

[John Mandalorian]

Palatable would be Jones at a net of around $4M/yr. With Chicago retaining $3M and Wood's contract going the other way. If that's the deal then I take back what I said about it being lunacy and I'm on board.

People are kind of assuming 2-3M retention. But who goes the other way is more all over the place.

 

[Pokecheque]

I really don't think trading for Pinto would be the answer.

It'd obviously be a huge risk, especially if there's some sort of injury issue as I still suspect, but EP40 would be one of the very few guys--possibly ONLY guy--I'd be okay with swapping for Mikko Rantanen. But even then, that makes the best winger on the team at present either Jo Drouin or Artturi Lehkonen and, while I really like both those players, I'm not sure that's a good thing.

 

[the_fan]

I really don't think trading for Pinto would be the answer.

It'd obviously be a huge risk, especially if there's some sort of injury issue as I still suspect, but EP40 would be one of the very few guys--possibly ONLY guy--I'd be okay with swapping for Mikko Rantanen. But even then, that makes the best winger on the team at present either Jo Drouin or Artturi Lehkonen and, while I really like both those players, I'm not sure that's a good thing.

Just check the playoff numbers of both EP and Mikko and tell me you’d still make that trade. EP doesn’t strike me as a really good playoff performer. He’s on a softer side. Never mind the regular season, but we get much worse for the playoffs if we go form Mikko to EP

If we’re trading Mikko for a center, it better be for someone who elevates his game in the playoffs. Gotta be PPG+ in both regular season and playoffs

 

[Balthazar]

When OEL got traded to Vancouver he had 4 years at 8.25M per left. The Yotes retained 12% of that contract.

He was 30 at the time (like Jones) and had been declining for a few years already (like Jones). Some people thought he was declining because he was playing on a shitty team (like Jones).

Canucks ended up buying him out.

 

[Gumballhead]

You think he's going to magically improve at the age of 31 because he'd be coming to the Avs? A team that's in cap hell and incapable of playing three good games in a row?

Now, if they retain a chunk of salary and take back Miles Wood's sorry ass.....

He wouldn't magically improve, he'd just look better here - not the same thing. He'd also, as many have said, take a lot of hard minutes away from Cale. It's not like he's not Darnell Nurse, he just has his contract. I go back and forth about this if it happened. If we kept Manson, our D is a rock. That would mean moving Mittelstadt presumably, but if Donato was coming this way, he might be good enough at C to offset what we are currently getting (not long term obviously) because our offense (with Nuke and maybe Landy, another reason this is hard to say what's needed to get us over the hump) hasn't been so great consistently. We'd lose Colton or Wood probably and there would have to be retention on Jones even with all that probably, but it also feels like we'd need another center to take Mittelstadt's place. It's a lot of moving parts if we trade for Seth but it might be the best long term outcome (retention required caveat) and a puncher's chance this year.

 

[BobRossColton]

My 1st package for Mikko will always be Necas+(Morrow or nikishin)

Is there any truth to Necas wanting to play center?

 

[Balthazar]

I really don't think trading for Pinto would be the answer.

It'd obviously be a huge risk, especially if there's some sort of injury issue as I still suspect, but EP40 would be one of the very few guys--possibly ONLY guy--I'd be okay with swapping for Mikko Rantanen. But even then, that makes the best winger on the team at present either Jo Drouin or Artturi Lehkonen and, while I really like both those players, I'm not sure that's a good thing.

Nuke and Drouin on the first like with Mack is fine assuming they are healthy to play.

As long as you have good top 6 centers you can find top 6 wingers for cheap every year. Most of them would perform extremely well offensively next to Mack.

 

[Pokecheque]

Just check the playoff numbers of both EP and Mikko and tell me you’d still make that trade. EP doesn’t strike me as a really good playoff performer. He’s on a softer side. Never mind the regular season, but we get much worse for the playoffs if we go form Mikko to EP

If we’re trading Mikko for a center, it better be for someone who elevates his game in the playoffs. Gotta be PPG+ in both regular season and playoffs

People probably don't even remember when Pavel Datsyuk was known as a playoff choker, or when people thought Steven Stamkos couldn't get it done in the postseason, because eventually both players threw those monkeys off their backs with authority.

EP is simply too talented to just disappear in the playoffs every year. In any event it's likely all a moot point because I'll be shocked to my very core if they end up trading Mikko at all.

 

[EdAVSfan]

When OEL got traded to Vancouver he had 4 years at 8.25M per left. The Yotes retained 12% of that contract.

He was 30 at the time (like Jones) and had been declining for a few years already (like Jones). Some people thought he was declining because he was playing on a shitty team (like Jones).

Canucks ended up buying him out.

OEL was always a mess defensively.

The bigger question is can Jones still skate well. If he can, he will be an asset here.

There’s risk. Any trade will carry risk. But what happened to OEL has literally no bearing on what happens with Jones. It just highlights one of the possibilities. But it’s one of the possibilities with any acquisition.

 

[Balthazar]

OEL was always a mess defensively.

The bigger question is can Jones still skate well. If he can, he will be an asset here.

There’s risk. Any trade will carry risk. But what happened to OEL has literally no bearing on what happens with Jones. It just highlights one of the possibilities. But it’s one of the possibilities with any acquisition.

They are different players but the bell curve of OEL and Jones between age 20 and 30 is nearly identical.

 

[Alienblood]

Last time I can remember Davidson doing this was McCabe to the Leafs, and Hagel to TB before that. He’s not exactly Lou Lam. Only twice in his tenure have we seen this. I think that indicates this will be fairly substantial.

Hope not unless it's Murphy

 

[The Abusement Park]

You have lost your minds. When's the last time Seth Jones was good? Six years ago? Seven?

I mean Jones as 1D vs being a 3D here is a totally different situation. He's a good player, just not a 1D.

 

[LOFIN]

I mean Jones as 1D vs being a 3D here is a totally different situation. He's a good player, just not a 1D.

Arguably even 4D behind Girard

 

[EdAVSfan]

They are different players but the bell curve of OEL and Jones between age 20 and 30 is nearly identical.

For sure. There’s prob a decline. The question is, in which areas are the decline?
Jones still seems like a player who can skate, isn’t dumb and has decent puck skills. That’s what the Avs need for their dmen to be successful. Jones doesn’t need to be an offensive juggernaut. That was the difference with OEL. He needed to be offensively inclined to justify his ability because without the puck he left a lot to be desired.

Jones to me at least, seems like a RH, taller version of Girard.

 

[Alienblood]

Last year, the Walker and Mittelstadt trades were made less than 24 hours apart from each other.

So, if anything, it shows CMac can manage the dominoes and act quickly if need be.

2 horrible trades hours apart. Fireable offense trades

 

[Ceremony]

Whatever trade ends up happening is going to absolutely ruin this board.

 

[the_fan]

People probably don't even remember when Pavel Datsyuk was known as a playoff choker, or when people thought Steven Stamkos couldn't get it done in the postseason, because eventually both players threw those monkeys off their backs with authority.

EP is simply too talented to just disappear in the playoffs every year. In any event it's likely all a moot point because I'll be shocked to my very core if they end up trading Mikko at all.

Fair points on Datsyuk and Stamkos, but I wouldn’t trade Mikko for Datsyuk or Stamkos that’s my point.

101 points in 81 career playoff games for Mikko. It needs to be a center with at least similar point production if we’re talking about one for one trade Mikko for a C, otherwise we will get much worse.

I might consider something like Necas+Slavin for Mikko. It’s gotta be something significant for us to move Mikko. One for one for EP simply makes us much worse