Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

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It was pointed out on the Hawks board that after calling up Del Mastro today, Chicago has (9) defensemen on their NHL roster. That includes Connor Murphy, who is on the IR, but that is still a lot. Speculate away!
 
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Mittlestadt needs to be traded for futures and pray Cmac can turn those assets into a true 2c. He's tried it before with Newhook that eventually turned to Colton, just hope some team values holds Mittlejost in high value.
Leaving Parker Kelly the 2nd best center on the team (and yes, I know, there are those of you wanting to say "He is RIGHT NOW!", shut up) even for a short time would be an enormously foolish thing to do.

I really think they've gotta focus on getting a much better 3C and then hope to hell Mitts figures it out. I don't think they have the resources to address both problems.
 
It was pointed out on the Hawks board that after calling up Del Mastro today, Chicago has (9) defensemen on their NHL roster. That includes Connor Murphy, who is on the IR, but that is still a lot. Speculate away!
Tinfoil hat time, but if there was a Rantanen trade to be made, doing it as a sign and trade would be the best way to get value out of it. If I'm a team looking to pull off a sign and trade deal with next summers top free agent, I'm going to want to talk to him face to face 1st.
 
The scariest part is that even if the Avs hit a home run in value in any trade they make, big or small, the players still have to fit Bednar’s wants/style. And he needs to like them. And not just like them, they need to be effective and liked. Ie, he likes Parker Kelly and Kivi, but that doesn’t move the needle in terms of winning or losing.

It is getting a little frustrating that players have skills and abilities that are being wasted away because they’re being forced to play one style and one style only which isn’t always conducive to their skills.
 
Friedman's 32 thoughts from last night, number 6. Mostly just rambling on.


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They have a deadline. It's July 1st.
 
We have to get used to that. Now that we got good goaltending and the core is getting older it's time to change the Avs style. We can't be the fastest transition team anymore.
I disagree. I think that if CMac/Sakic are hell bent on Jared Bednar coaching this team, they have to identify players that can actually f***ing work for how he wants his teams to play.

Targeting players like Mittelstadt, Colton, De Haan, and before this season players like Trenin, Duhaime, Eller, MacDermid, etc doesn't fit what Bednar wants to run at ALL.

This guy ran an all-midget 4th line of Cogliano - Helm - O'Connor because they could skate like the wind and were tenacious.

There has got to be some sort of disconnect between the two. CMac must be desiring his roster to look a certain way and Bednar must not be on board.
 
There has got to be some sort of disconnect between the two. CMac must be desiring his roster to look a certain way and Bednar must not be on board.
I've been banging on about this since the beginning of the season, and the way the goaltending position was handled was a clear sign on that. Because I don't think CMac wouldn't have explored signing a guy like Lankinen, had he known Bednar was still not going to trust Annunen. I think CMac legit believed, that Bednar was going to give a fair chance for Annunen. He didn't, and only started playing him when Georgiev was shitting the bed so bad he had no other choice. And it didn't work out either. He then got Kähkönen on waivers, Bednar basically threw him to the wolves giving him a start after one full practice when the team was on a rut against a hot Lightning team. It went badly, and Kähkönen was never seen again either.
 
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I disagree. I think that if CMac/Sakic are hell bent on Jared Bednar coaching this team, they have to identify players that can actually f***ing work for how he wants his teams to play.

Targeting players like Mittelstadt, Colton, De Haan, and before this season players like Trenin, Duhaime, Eller, MacDermid, etc doesn't fit what Bednar wants to run at ALL.

This guy ran an all-midget 4th line of Cogliano - Helm - O'Connor because they could skate like the wind and were tenacious.

There has got to be some sort of disconnect between the two. CMac must be desiring his roster to look a certain way and Bednar must not be on board.
Bednar can yell at the old core and slower players all he wants, they aren't going to get faster. Either he changes his style to adapt to the current roster or we get a new coach.

My point was we aren't going to be the fastest team with this core anymore so it's no big deal to add slower players. We already do.
 
Adapt an entire style of play when the power play can't adapt to a secondary mode of attack when the blue line is stifled and the cross seam passes are taken away?
I get this is a message board, but lets try and keep it real-ish
 
I've been banging on about this since the beginning of the season, and the way the goaltending position was handled was a clear sign on that. Because I don't think CMac wouldn't have explored signing a guy like Lankinen, had he known Bednar was still not going to trust Annunen. I think CMac legit believed, that Bednar was going to give a fair chance for Annunen. He didn't, and only started playing him when Georgiev was shitting the bed so bad he had no other choice. And it didn't work out either. He then got Kähkönen on waivers, Bednar basically threw him to the wolves giving him a start after one full practice when the team was on a rut against a hot Lightning team. It went badly, and Kähkönen was never seen again either.

Kahkonen has a 3.50 GAA and .881 SV%... with Manitoba. As in the Manitoba Moose of the AHL. Even if Bednar had a picture of Kahkonen in his wallet, I don't think that waiver claim was going to work out.
 
I hope they exchange 7ths 20 years down the road. Part of me is worried they're targeting Seth Jones.
Lowkey Jones would probably actually be amazing here as a 3/4D. The dude isn't a 1D, but as someone who has some talent and could carry a 2nd line and get Makar off the PK a little bit he'd probably do quite well. The main issue would clearly be his caphit though so it probably can't be Jones.
 
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Lowkey Jones would probably actually be amazing here as a 3/4D. The dude isn't a 1D, but as someone who has some talent and could carry a 2nd line and get Makar off the PK a little bit he'd probably do quite well. The main issue would clearly be his caphit though so it probably can't be Jones.
I agree that salary is just so rough though
 
Lowkey Jones would probably actually be amazing here as a 3/4D. The dude isn't a 1D, but as someone who has some talent and could carry a 2nd line and get Makar off the PK a little bit he'd probably do quite well. The main issue would clearly be his caphit though so it probably can't be Jones.

I agree that salary is just so rough though
The salary AND the return. Every argument i heard in favor of getting him were valid, i guess the main problem ( cap hit aside ) is the price it will cost to get him .
 
Kahkonen has a 3.50 GAA and .881 SV%... with Manitoba. As in the Manitoba Moose of the AHL. Even if Bednar had a picture of Kahkonen in his wallet, I don't think that waiver claim was going to work out.
Sure. I wanted to give Kähkönen a better chance, but that's not really relevant to my point here. My point is that CMac and Bednar clearly don't see eye to eye at all when it comes to that position. We saw it with Annunen, we saw it with Kähkönen. CMac believed in these guys being at least some sort of an answer, while Bednar didn't want to give a sniff to either guy really.

So if the disconnect is evident in the goaltending department, what's it like with the other players? I think Pärssinen is another example. Bednar clearly doesn't want to give him a better chance, even though he has played decent and the performance of other centers (notably Mittelstadt and even Kelly) would warrant him getting a longer look at #2C. Instead, Bednar goes and throws Rantanen to #2C.
 
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The salary AND the return. Every argument i heard in favor of getting him were valid, i guess the main problem ( cap hit aside ) is the price it will cost to get him .
If Chicago is looking to move him, I don't think the requested return would be significant. It is definitely the cap hit I'm worried about. Now, if Chicago wants to retain 50%....sure, let's talk about it.
 
Bednar can yell at the old core and slower players all he wants, they aren't going to get faster. Either he changes his style to adapt to the current roster or we get a new coach.

My point was we aren't going to be the fastest team with this core anymore so it's no big deal to add slower players. We already do.
He's not going to adapt his coaching style. He has an ability to but he obviously refuses to.

CMac has an ability to not target slow-to-average skating players but he and the pro scouts do it anyways, whether they have other skills they desire that Bednar doesn't take advantage of or they're constrained financially into finding certain players, I don't know.

I do know that as good as Mittelstadt played last year and the first month of this year, he is without question one of the slowest NHL players and probably would be average in the AHL. Yet this management team targeted him for our best trade chip. A clear disconnect between GM and coach.

I just don't see them moving on from Bednar nor do I see Bednar adapting. Thus, you have to find players who fit.
 
Sure. I wanted to give Kähkönen a better chance, but that's not really relevant to my point here. My point is that CMac and Bednar clearly don't see eye to eye at all when it comes to that position. We saw it with Annunen, we saw it with Kähkönen. CMac believed in these guys being at least some sort of an answer, while Bednar didn't want to give a sniff to either guy really.

So if the disconnect is evident in the goaltending department, what's it like with the other players? I think Pärssinen is another example. Bednar clearly doesn't want to give him a better chance, even though he has played decent and the performance of other centers (notably Mittelstadt and even Kelly) would warrant him getting a longer look at #2C. Instead, Bednar goes and throws Rantanen to #2C.

I'm personally willing to give the team more of the benefit of the doubt.

With Annunen, Colorado needed to run with him for a while, but he couldn't hack it. We saw right away Wedgewood could and it really helped turn the season around. Nashville is giving Annunen work similar to what he had last year (~1gm/week) and he's doing really well. I wish him nothing but the best, except when playing the Avs.

With Parssinen, my take may go against the grain. Nashville was scratching him and the underlying metrics were ugly, and I just wasn't a fan of the move relative to the cost (3rd rounder). I think he's had a couple of good moments here, but overall has been just another 4th line body. In both of the last two games, he was partially or directly responsible for the goals the 4th line gave up. I don't want to blow those two goals out of proportion; they were the only 5v5 goals against he's been on the ice for in his time with the Avs. I'm just saying that when I've noticed Parssinen lately, it's been more bad than good.

That said, I get it, he's playing with Innala and Ivan, which is not exactly the most ideal situation to flourish in. But at the same time, I don't think the Avs are a lineup tweak away from Parssinen exploding. I think there's still a decent chance he can be a difference maker with more time (and opportunity) in the future, but I personally don't think he's there yet.

If what I said there was a bunch of gobbledygook, I'll sum up my opinion by saying I'm betting on the house. They've gotten things right so many times when it comes to personnel. I can think of many, many players who've left and stayed the same or saw their play dip. But I can't think of single player who's left town and took a clear step forward, to the point it was obvious Colorado was misutilizing them.
 

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