Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[Freaky Styley]

The production concept is way blown out of proportion.

It's like people don't watch him when he's not playing next to 29. When 29 isn't stapled to him, spoiler he doesn't produce well.

All the players playing with 29 usually get an uptick in production and honestly 29 seemingly plays better as well. Then Bednar forces 96 back with 29 and his production suddenly gets better again.

I'm very convinced that as long as you put a reasonably talented winger with 29 that you won't see that much of a difference.

The only way 96 should ever start on this team is if they can get him signed under the 29 cap. Then it's justifiable anything above the 29 cap is a serious overpay. He's simply not that level of a player.

And if he's not willing to sign under the 29 cap, then he absolutely must be traded before the deadline. Even if it weakens this year's team. You can not afford a 1st round exit and 96 walking for nothing.

I agree to all but this. The Mikko situation will get resolved in the summer at this point IMO unless he signs an extension over the break. I don't think there's any way he gets moved at the deadline. It would be a huge blow to team morale heading into the playoffs and it's such a big shakeup that you basically write-off this year's playoffs anyway just to gain some more future assets - which will just piss of Nate & co.

If you let him walk you gain 100% of that cap space. It can be like a Stamkos-Guentzel swap where you use that in a different way to get another valuable player. It's not the end of the world if he walks, and you can still probably get a decent draft pick for his rights in the final weeks.

I was thought stupid for suggesting something like Jarvis+ in the offseason. Great trade with both teams and now Jarvis is locked up to under 7.5m for 8 years and you get some of Carolina's great prospects as well.

 

[hockeyfish]

When we're not scoring next season, people will be missing Mikko. Even freaking Burakovsky was missed and he was ass. We also know you can't just put any player next to MacKinnon and get 100 points out of them, out of all the people who've played next to him Mikko is the only one who has pulled it off.

There's also a chance that once we trade him and get a new shiny forward in return, they just end up as another Mittelstadt. Big difference between players who might produce and players who will produce.

On the other hand, Mikko might be in Utah or Chicago or wherever making 13 million and on pace for 60 points in Janurary. Could go both ways.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Bednar thinks he still has a 2 year old greyhound with endless legs and speed, when in truth we are a 5-6 year old golden retriever. We can still move quickly, but we get tired and we aren't racing dogs.

I think this might be the case. Our team should manage the players better in terms of playing time.

This locker room could probably use a shake up, new voice. It's gotten stale.

I believe this to be true.

 

[avsfan2189]

I'm definitely on the "trade Mikko" wagon but it isn't this simple. Sure, you could have a homegrown Cirelli and a Hagel who was acquired for a lofty sum from Chicago for 13M.

You could also have an Elias Lindholm and Vladimir Tarasenko for that money, which wouldn't be good.

It all depends on who is brought in.

absolutely,

i havent watched them closely but in a world where CLB is the winner of the rants sweepstakes i'd gladly take one of:

cole sillinger /kent johnson + marchenko for rants,

necas + for rants if its car

 

[dahrougem2]

absolutely,

i havent watched them closely but in a world where CLB is the winner of the rants sweepstakes i'd gladly take one of:

cole sillinger /kent johnson + marchenko for rants,

necas + for rants if its car

To be honest, I don't believe Columbus would trade Marchenko straight up for Rantanen.

 

[avsfan2189]

To be honest, I don't believe Columbus would trade Marchenko straight up for Rantanen.

they're that high on him eh lol i dont blame them, just under 4 mil a year for that kind of effor and production is a steal , for 3 years too

 

[dahrougem2]

they're that high on him eh lol i dont blame them, just under 4 mil a year for that kind of effor and production is a steal , for 3 years too

24 year old on pace for 106 points. They'd be insane to move him.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Brace yourselves. Big one here...

 

[Tommy Shelby]

Brace yourselves. Big one here...

I swear these two f***ing teams love making pointless trades with each other

 

[niwotsblessing]

I came here to ask if we've traded Moose yet.

What gets missed in all the discussion of points and production, again, is defensive and what a player does away from the puck. Preventing goals also counts, and a 200 foot game + other depth players is not to be overlooked. Getting a player whose GAF/60 is not a negative number would be nice, too.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Kraken taking calls on multiple players — The Fourth Period

In addition to pending UFAs Yanni Gourde & Brandon Tanev, the Kraken are open to taking calls on some of their other players.

www.thefourthperiod.com

What about Bjorkstrand as a 2C/3C option?

 

[LOFIN]

I came here to ask if we've traded Moose yet.

What gets missed in all the discussion of points and production, again, is defensive and what a player does away from the puck. Preventing goals also counts, and a 200 foot game + other depth players is not to be overlooked. Getting a player whose GAF/60 is not a negative number would be nice, too.

The problem with this team is offensive output, not preventing goals. This team is fundamentally not built to win 1-0 games, and never will be. If you look at our losses this season (after dumping Georgiev), it has been the lack of production. Getting shutout, or just scoring one goal.

f*** the defensive impact, if you trade Mikko away, you NEED to get an impact forward who produces.

 

[hockeyfish]

Brace yourselves. Big one here...

When the owner is in the office today so you have to look busy.

 

[chet1926]

When we're not scoring next season, people will be missing Mikko. Even freaking Burakovsky was missed and he was ass. We also know you can't just put any player next to MacKinnon and get 100 points out of them, out of all the people who've played next to him Mikko is the only one who has pulled it off.

There's also a chance that once we trade him and get a new shiny forward in return, they just end up as another Mittelstadt. Big difference between players who might produce and players who will produce.

You're acting like we'd just let 96 go and not get anything to fill out the roster.

Even if he walks in UFA we'd be using the money somehow. Either a UFA or a trade.

The grass isn't always greener but this team can't pay more than the 29 cap for a player with as many holes in their game as 96. And they certainly can't pay that to a guy who can't carry his own line.

You pay that kind of money to a player like 96 and you might as well accept mediocrity as you'll have absolutely no money to field a competent team. You'll be saddled to a guy that really only looks great when playing next to arguably the best player in the league and can't help solve the teams depth issues by driving his own line.

 

[Hasbro]

Surprised this board isn't freaking out about pairing two RHD together.

 

[LOFIN]

The problem with this team is offensive output, not preventing goals. This team is fundamentally not built to win 1-0 games, and never will be. If you look at our losses this season (after dumping Georgiev), it has been the lack of production. Getting shutout, or just scoring one goal.

f*** the defensive impact, if you trade Mikko away, you NEED to get an impact forward who produces.

And adding to this, if we could have at least two of three question marks solved definitely by now, the discourse around trading Rantanen could pick up more:

-Drouin
-Nuke
-Landeskog

We NEED at least two of them to play regularly in a top-6 role. Not just once in a while, practically every night. Aside from what can very well argued to be freak injuries, Rantanen has been pretty healthy for some time now. Same can't be said for the aforementioned three. If Nuke and Drouin could stay in the lineup and Landeskog was well on his way coming back, you could start discussing the Rantanen trade. We would have enough top-6 players.

You'll be saddled to a guy that really only looks great when playing next to arguably the best player in the league and can't help solve the teams depth issues by driving his own line.

Funny, how you completely ignored my post on the previous page where I called you out on your bullshit with stats. Rantanen doesn't really leech off from MacKinnon, and MacKinnon does produce more than Rantanen on his own in the last two years because he plays with better players.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[The Abusement Park]

IMO the trusted player would be the one coming back in the Mikko trade but at his price we would be able to sign Drouin as well. That's what I meant by other players would accept losing Mikko because they would be keeping Drouin but there would be somebody else coming back as well. Most likely more than one as well. Probably at D. We could start the year with Landy, Nuke, Drouin, Lehky, and Mikko's replacement as our Ws. Then you can fix the 2C if Mitts still doesn't work out. This team could have much better depth which in turn could keep our top players' icetime down.

All I know for now is that with Mikko at 13M+ it will be extremely difficult to remain a contender considering the way we draft. Even at 12M it will be difficult.

I mean... at this point Mikko isn't bringing back a legit top 6 player. If he signs a contract with the team were trading ahead of the deal, than sure that could be an option. But until that happens, Mikko's value right now is higher end picks, prospects and middle 6/bottom 4 dmen most likely.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

I mean... at this point Mikko isn't bringing back a legit top 6 player. If he signs a contract with the team were trading ahead of the deal, than sure that could be an option. But until that happens, Mikko's value right now is higher end picks, prospects and middle 6/bottom 4 dmen most likely.

That's what I've been saying.

As a rental, you're looking at the standard, impending UFA, star player package:

- Average roster player
- 1st round pick, likely a condition like top 10 protected
- Prospect, but unlikely to be a team's top prospect

 

[The Abusement Park]

That's what I've been saying.

As a rental, you're looking at the standard, impending UFA, star player package:

- Average roster player
- 1st round pick, likely a condition like top 10 protected
- Prospect, but unlikely to be a team's top prospect

If Cmac can pull off a sign and trade mid season, than kudos to him. But I'm not buying that situation happens until I see it. And until that happens Mikko isn't bringing back a top 6 player, at least one with term or who's actually good imo.

 

[chet1926]

And adding to this, if we could have at least two of three question marks solved definitely by now, the discourse around trading Rantanen could pick up more:

-Drouin
-Nuke
-Landeskog

We NEED at least two of them to play regularly in a top-6 role. Not just once in a while, practically every night. Aside from what can very well argued to be freak injuries, Rantanen has been pretty healthy for some time now. Same can't be said for the aforementioned three. If Nuke and Drouin could stay in the lineup and Landeskog was well on his way coming back, you could start discussing the Rantanen trade. We would have enough top-6 players.


Funny, how you completely ignored my post on the previous page where I called you out on your bullshit with stats. Rantanen doesn't really leech off from MacKinnon, and MacKinnon does produce more in the last two years because he plays with better players.

I didn't ignore it, I just take advanced stats with a grain of salt because they are BS and easy to manipulate to paint any picture you want.

Anyone who has watched 96 try and drive a line knows he can't do it. If he could we wouldn't be having this conversation because we'd have two high functioning lines. Instead of 96 stapled to 29s side being the only time he looks good.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I didn't ignore it, I just take advanced stats with a grain of salt because they are BS and an easy to manipulate to paint any picture you want.

Anyone who has watched 96 try and drive a line knows he can't do it. If he could we wouldn't be hanging this conversation because we'd have two high functioning lines. Instead of 96 stapled to 29s side being the only time he looks good.

Man I wonder why Mikko had trouble driving a 2nd line of Kiviranta and LOC the other night.

 

[LOFIN]

I didn't ignore it, I just take advanced stats with a grain of salt because they are BS and easy to manipulate to paint any picture you want.

Anyone who has watched 96 try and drive a line knows he can't do it. If he could we wouldn't be having this conversation because we'd have two high functioning lines. Instead of 96 stapled to 29s side being the only time he looks good.

"I didn't ignore your stats, I just called them bullshit because my own eyetest is superior". Ok then...

 

[LOFIN]

If Cmac can pull off a sign and trade mid season, than kudos to him. But I'm not buying that situation happens until I see it. And until that happens Mikko isn't bringing back a top 6 player, at least one with term or who's actually good imo.

Sign and trade would require a team wanting to sign Mikko for 8 years instead of 7. Aside from the Avalanche, I doubt many teams are looking for that extra year.

 

[Avsfan1921]

Man I wonder why Mikko had trouble driving a 2nd line of Kiviranta and LOC the other night.

To be fair, those are the kinds of linemates he should be expecting if he signs for 13 mill.