expatriatedtexan
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People are going to flip when they find out Chicago's been dogging us because they've been watching Landy practice. 
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People are going to flip when they find out Chicago's been dogging us because they've been watching Landy practice.
What? Lol
Bill Peckerskull
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All this speculation, and it'll end up being something like Murphy (50% retained) + Donato for Colton + Malinski + a draft pick
I'd be down, I don't really believe in Colton as a top six winger. He's ok, but that was obviously a hot streak.
A real 3C, and someone who can push Manson for that #4 spot when he's off.
Sign me up
Yeah you have to hope Mitts turns things around, but you still have time if he doesn't. A legit 3C would allow Bednar to shelter the second line a bit.
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Murphy is on IR so he'll fit right in
BobRossColton
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Drouin is awesome and been great here. But I just have a lot of trouble trusting him as an integral part of this team. The dudes a bandaid. Idk, like I said in an earlier post I don't envy being CMac and having to deal with this Mikko situation.
SoundwaveIsCharisma
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Oh! Oh! You just called @Hasbro.
You don't have to completely trust him though. He's not going to be expensive, and is likely to be #4 on the pay chart for the top six wingers.
We need a player that brings what he does at a cheap price.
The dude can literally play in every zone and loves it here. His work ethic is unquestioned, his commitment is unquestioned. You have to keep him.
I just don't feel the same way about Mikko. You know what, you don't get injured if you're unwilling to sell out.
If Mikko takes 10 or 11M sure, if not, you have to recognize his true value, and maximize it. This isn't the only year we can actually compete for a cup. With him gone you can actually give this team a real structure to win.
At this point I really hope they just move on, and build this team with depth in the right areas.
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I mean he would have to be trusted though if he's going to be part of the solution for replacing Mikko. I'm not saying he shouldn't come back, he should. But if you're replacing Mikko with a guy who has issues staying healthy that's a problem for me. Especially considering one of our other top 6 pillars is also not reliable. I just feel like having our top 6 wings be Drouin, Nuke, Lehky going into next year is a great start on talent/fit... But for reliability that's a major problem.
Well you have to still include Landeskog until you can't.
So Landeskog, Nuke, Lehhky, and Drouin.
Also I've long believed having Landeskog, Lehkky, and Nuke all in this lineup makes Bednar’s system work at its peak.
What if you can actually get Svechnikov? Who fits that type of mold.
Having the ability to have Nuke, or Lehkky on the third line while healthy is the sauce IMO.
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And Landy is also not reliable... I get Mikko is frustrating at times. But the dude is healthy and is consistently productive.
I'm sorry but if our top 6 wings next year and Lehky, Drouin, Landy, and Nuke that's a cause for concern for me.
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That lineup is like an old F1 qualifying engine. It lasts exactly 2 laps and then its gonna explode.
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IMO the trusted player would be the one coming back in the Mikko trade but at his price we would be able to sign Drouin as well. That's what I meant by other players would accept losing Mikko because they would be keeping Drouin but there would be somebody else coming back as well. Most likely more than one as well. Probably at D. We could start the year with Landy, Nuke, Drouin, Lehky, and Mikko's replacement as our Ws. Then you can fix the 2C if Mitts still doesn't work out. This team could have much better depth which in turn could keep our top players' icetime down.
All I know for now is that with Mikko at 13M+ it will be extremely difficult to remain a contender considering the way we draft. Even at 12M it will be difficult.
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Tommy Shelby
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This is the issue that's always been there with Mikko. You can't let him walk or trade him and expect to replace his impact, and you also can't sign him because it kills our depth and Bednar will just ride the top line into the ground every year like he keeps doing
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The production concept is way blown out of proportion.
It's like people don't watch him when he's not playing next to 29. When 29 isn't stapled to him, spoiler he doesn't produce well.
All the players playing with 29 usually get an uptick in production and honestly 29 seemingly plays better as well. Then Bednar forces 96 back with 29 and his production suddenly gets better again.
I'm very convinced that as long as you put a reasonably talented winger with 29 that you won't see that much of a difference.
The only way 96 should ever start on this team is if they can get him signed under the 29 cap. Then it's justifiable anything above the 29 cap is a serious overpay. He's simply not that level of a player.
And if he's not willing to sign under the 29 cap, then he absolutely must be traded before the deadline. Even if it weakens this year's team. You can not afford a 1st round exit and 96 walking for nothing.
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Historically, that is just not accurate. If we look at 20/21-22/23, the drop off in production isn't actually big at all. Together around 62.45 GF%, Nate without Mikko 60.67%, Mikko without Nate 58.97%. The last two seasons, the drop off has been more significant (around 20%), but how much of that is specifically on Mikko "getting worse", vs playing with worse linemates because of all our injuries? In the end, Nate still does get the better linemates when all is said and done, if Bednar puts Mikko to the 2nd line. During the last two seasons, the three most common forwards (aside from eachother) both players play with are Drouin, Lehkonen and Nichushkin.
Mackinnon/Rantanen time with said players:
Drouin: 793min/621min
Lehkonen: 717min/470minmin
Nuke: 556min/505min
These are 5v5 numbers from the last two years via Natural statrick. Mikko played 2 games less than Nate, so that doesn't make a big difference in minutes.
I think we can all accept that the eyetest of Mikko not being as effective as in the past is true. But to say he's simply leeching from MacKinnon is historically not true, and also not exactly fair when one of them also gets more time with quality players.
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Vaslof
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When we're not scoring next season, people will be missing Mikko. Even freaking Burakovsky was missed and he was ass. We also know you can't just put any player next to MacKinnon and get 100 points out of them, out of all the people who've played next to him Mikko is the only one who has pulled it off.
There's also a chance that once we trade him and get a new shiny forward in return, they just end up as another Mittelstadt. Big difference between players who might produce and players who will produce.
I'd rather another winger that puts up 70-90 points with top 6 minutes than rantanen at 13+ mil going forward.
getting 100+ points is always impressive at an individual level but Vegas, Florida, and Tampa show you don't need multiple 100+ point players making bankkkkkk to win a cup.
you could have cirelli + hagel for the price of 1 13-mil rantanen and i know we'd take that in a heartbeat
now if you're talking Kaprizov in the 12-13 mil range NOWWW we're talking about an option. He's the only UFAthat would make me think about it.
getting 100+ points is always impressive at an individual level but Vegas, Florida, and Tampa show you don't need multiple 100+ point players making bankkkkkk to win a cup.
you could have cirelli + hagel for the price of 1 13-mil rantanen and i know we'd take that in a heartbeat
now if you're talking Kaprizov in the 12-13 mil range NOWWW we're talking about an option. He's the only UFAthat would make me think about it.
SoundwaveIsCharisma
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If we could get essentially Cirelli and Hagel in place of Rants I’d be so damn happy.
I think we need to face the fact our success relies on a coke head.
Yeah, we are on thin ice here. Good luck.
