Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[expatriatedtexan]

That’s overreaction bro. He’s not that bad. He might have intensity and some attitude, but it’s not that bad

Tell yourself that all you want. From the outside, the dude appears to be true cancer.

 

[Foppa2118]

MacKinnon hasn't looked quite right in awhile either. Still putting up points, because he is who he is. But doesn't look the same.

How much of that though is recency bias, with his Hart trophy season last year, and that unsustainable home point streak?

If he's leading the NHL in points, but only has that dominance in spurts, rather than every game, that's still a great season. Especially if he's saving his emotional energy for a long playoff run. In the past, he's tended to have adrenaline dumps after the 1st round.

He looked great in the recent games, while the rest of the team struggled. He dominated the Oiler game when his team needed him. Was arguably better than MacDavid IMO. Could have had 4-5 goals if not for the post.

 

[the_fan]

Tell yourself that all you want. From the outside, the dude appears to be true cancer.

I mean it’s not like the Avs have had the perfect locker room. Remember we had to deal with Kadri getting suspended in the playoffs. We had to deal with Val leaving the team twice in the middle of playoffs. The Avs leadership will eventually fix this issues.

Kadri finally got his act together and we won the cup, and hopefully Val’s issues are now behind him. We can do the same to JT Miller, specially if or when we get the captain back. Landy will help with a lot of the locker room problems.

We do need someone like JT Miller at 2C if we want to compete in the playoffs. This team as it stands right now will not get passed the 1st round

 

[Foppa2118]

The unfortunate question at this point is, even if Mitts starts playing better, how can you know he'll keep playing that way through the playoffs with his track record of inconsistency during his career?

They might have to do something at 2C anyway, if they truly have the kind of all in aggressive approach they seem to have now, the last couple seasons.

Doesn't seem like they'd all of a sudden be patient again after trading Bo and trading both goaltenders. Which is an issue, because they also need to trade for 1-2 good defenseman, and they don't have many assets left.

That means Mitts probably has to be part of the package, they can't just add to him, and bump him to 3C.

 

[John Mandalorian]

The unfortunate question at this point is, even if Mitts starts playing better, how can you know he'll keep playing that way through the playoffs with his career track record?

They might have to do something at 2C anyway, if they truly have the kind of all in aggressive approach they seem to have now, the last couple seasons.

Doesn't seem like they'd all of a sudden be patient again after trading Bo and trading both goaltenders. Which is an issue, because they also need to trade for 1-2 good defenseman, and they don't have many assets left.

That means Mitts probably has to be part of the package, they can't just add to him, and bump him to 3C.

Yes. And Ive seen comments "if hes still struggling at the TDL, then trade him".

If he's struggling that long, hes driving down his trade value dramatically. In fact playing him that long might lead to him being broken and unappealing to an acquiring team.

But also, waiting that long is going to have what kind of an impact on the minutes logged by the top guys?

Maybe this Mikko at 2C will help save usage on MacKinnon and Rantenen? But its questionable that this lasts.

 

[the_fan]

Ok getting JT Miller will probably be impossible for the Avs. I forgot he’s signed for long term at 8 mill AAV. No way you can get him with retention, and Avs just can’t afford the 8 mill now or in the future if they gonna re-sign Mikko

 

[Foppa2118]

Vancouver and Colorado just seem like no go trading partners mid season too. Maybe in the off season, but there's a good chance they'll have to go through each other in the playoffs this year.

The Nucks trading the best player in the deal, only for Miller to be the reason they lose in the playoffs, could easily be a GM killer.

Avs would have to really overpay in a way that would clearly make Vancouver better and I'm not seeing how that works. You never know though I guess.

 

[NateTheGreat]

Toews...I honestly believe we should be trying to trade his ass. He makes entirely too much money to be an also ran on the top unit. Everytime he's been on the second pair and tasked with anchoring it, it has not ended well. Girard has proven the ability to play up with Makar, but Toews has not shown the ability to play down and be worth 7M.

This is a pretty inaccurate take. Toews has been better than Makar since December and quite frankly there’s an argument he’s been our best player since the teams 14-13 start.

He’s also the guy with his finger on the pulse in the room. If something needs to be said, he’ll say it.

Well worth 7M, and even more so when the cap goes up. I can’t imagine our defense without him.

 

[the_fan]

Didn’t Miller also say he’ll only waive his no trade clause to go to Rangers?

 

[S E P H]

Kyperos saying Avs have offers for Rantanen from three teams and he believes Carolina is one of them. I apologise if this is old news.

 

[the_fan]

Kyperos saying Avs have offers for Rantanen from three teams and he believes Carolina is one of them. I apologise if this is old news.

So Necas + Slavin for Mikko?

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I mean it’s not like the Avs have had the perfect locker room. Remember we had to deal with Kadri getting suspended in the playoffs. We had to deal with Val leaving the team twice in the middle of playoffs. The Avs leadership will eventually fix this issues.

Kadri finally got his act together and we won the cup, and hopefully Val’s issues are now behind him. We can do the same to JT Miller, specially if or when we get the captain back. Landy will help with a lot of the locker room problems.

We do need someone like JT Miller at 2C if we want to compete in the playoffs. This team as it stands right now will not get passed the 1st round

So your solution is to throw a match onto the fuel?

 

[S E P H]

So Necas + Slavin for Mikko?

We ain't getting both, no way and I doubt they will trade Jarvis either (he is super marketable in Raleigh).

 

[expatriatedtexan]

This is a pretty inaccurate take. Toews has been better than Makar since December and quite frankly there’s an argument he’s been our best player since the teams 14-13 start.

He’s also the guy with his finger on the pulse in the room. If something needs to be said, he’ll say it.

Well worth 7M, and even more so when the cap goes up. I can’t imagine our defense without him.

Not sure where you get this info from but kudos. I wish my level of confidence in the dude matched yours. I really do.

 

[the_fan]

So your solution is to throw a match onto the fuel?

No, but we need a 2C solution. Also we can’t afford Miller and his remaining 7 years 8 mill AAV anyway.

We ain't getting both, no way and I doubt they will trade Jarvis either (he is super marketable in Raleigh).

I was just joking. I wouldn’t trade Mikko, and don’t think Avs are going to

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Ignore me.

 

[Foppa2118]

This is a pretty inaccurate take. Toews has been better than Makar since December and quite frankly there’s an argument he’s been our best player since the teams 14-13 start.

He’s also the guy with his finger on the pulse in the room. If something needs to be said, he’ll say it.

Well worth 7M, and even more so when the cap goes up. I can’t imagine our defense without him.

I don't know about better than Makar, but I agree Toews has played very well (outside the Rangers game) since about mid December or so.

Before that though, there was a long stretch of 2.5 years, where the only good spurts were a couple months after he called out the new forwards last year, and this current one.

How he will play going forward as he ages is still a question mark. There were too many rough patches to blame it all on injuries.

Hopefully this recent play is a good sign though. They need him to play like a top pairing defender, and I'm not sure they'll be able to trade him and get better.

 

[forsbergavs32]

I don’t believe shit from these “insiders” when it comes to the Avs. @RoyIsALegend has more sources than any of those guys combined

 

[S E P H]

I was just joking. I wouldn’t trade Mikko, and don’t think Avs are going to

Avs main option as of now is to re-sign him, but sometimes it doesn't work out. Kyperos even said that (avs prefer to re-sign him), but he did mention that Avs have gotten offers.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Vancouver and Colorado just seem like no go trading partners mid season too. Maybe in the off season, but there's a good chance they'll have to go through each other in the playoffs this year.

The Nucks trading the best player in the deal, only for Miller to be the reason they lose in the playoffs, could easily be a GM killer.

Avs would have to really overpay in a way that would clearly make Vancouver better and I'm not seeing how that works. You never know though I guess.

One thing to consider. By choosing Pettersson over Miller, they're kind of pushing back from the idea that this Hughes window is more finite. If they were truly trying to maximize these precious years from Hughes, theyd go with the guy who has been a 90 pt metronome the past 3 seasons.

Besides, their more immediate threat is making the platoffs. To do that, they might need to get their house in order.

 

[Foppa2118]

One thing to consider. By choosing Pettersson over Miller, they're kind of pushing back from the idea that this Hughes window is more finite. If they were truly trying to maximize these precious years from Hughes, theyd go with the guy who has been a 90 pt metronome the past 3 seasons.

Besides, their more immediate threat is making the platoffs. To do that, they might need to get their house in order.

Yeah, they definitely need a shakeup trade, and it's probably one of Miller or EP.

I'd trade EP if I were them, but that's their business. More cap savings, better return, and they've generally produced at the same rate in their career.

Hard to see them trading one to the Avs though, unless Allvin has balls of steel that would make Patrick Roy jealous.

 

[the_fan]

Avs main option as of now is to re-sign him, but sometimes it doesn't work out. Kyperos even said that (avs prefer to re-sign him), but he did mention that Avs have gotten offers.

I’ve already stated my opinion of trading Mikko like 4 million times, and I wouldn’t do it, but if and only IF we’re trading him, it would have to be for something that fills multiple holes in Avs roster. Like we need a 2C, and we need at least one or two more solid d-men. It can’t be for another winger. We have enough wingers

Just because i personally don’t think Avs will trade Mikko, doesn’t mean it won’t happen. Great players have been traded before. Even Gretzky was traded.

 

[Ararana]

Kyperos saying Avs have offers for Rantanen from three teams and he believes Carolina is one of them. I apologise if this is old news.

Avs should trade Rantanen for any decent package they can get for him because

1 - They're not winning shit this year
2 - Rantanen is as good as gone

cMac fails again letting it go this long. He could have traded Mikko for a blockbuster package when he still had term left. Did they really fool themselves into thinking Rantanen wouldn't be a difficult negotiation? Was I the only one alive when he held out last time?

 

[hockeyfish]

Ignore me.

Way ahead of you.

 

[Bender]

You two have been here as long or longer than myself so I really respect the opinions but I do have to ask a few questions....




I agree. But what's the solution? Trade every player and start the rebuild or get a new coach and voice in the locker-room and see if that can establish a new vision/identity. Or something else? The only real adjustment I've seen Bednar make this year is that the forwards don't leave the dmen pinned in for nearly as long before skating back from the other blueline to help out. The forwards don't seem to be bailing on the dmen as quickly this year. But that doesn't mean they've helped in the breakout. <---- This is about the team in general, not the top five. Bednar treats his top line, Makar and Toews completely differently than he does any other player or line. Feels like if a player doesn't contribute 20+ minutes a night, Bednar really doesn't give a whole lot of shit about them. He'll praise them for their good efforts but blame them when the top unit doesn't produce while owning damn near 50% of the ice time in a game.

As much as the Avs have ALWAYS emphasized speed, transistion, scoring and when possible run and gun play... they are kind of lacking in the defensive metrics. Bednar preaches dedication to defense leading to offense, but this team is doing anything but providing good defense leading to offense. This team is trying to take short cuts at every possible opportunity rather than putting in the work and getting their chances honestly. The problem is all those gambles that don't pay off end up with sustained time in our own zone pretty quickly.



Here's the thing... through all of the ups and downs over the last many years there have been some constants... MacKinnon, Rantanen, Toews, Makar. There have also been some inconsistent presences: Landeskog, Nuke.

I would pack up Rants' shit, unpack it at the destination and help with the remodel of his new digs if we could trade him in order to get a healthy Landy and/or Nuke back.

Toews...I honestly believe we should be trying to trade his ass. He makes entirely too much money to be an also ran on the top unit. Everytime he's been on the second pair and tasked with anchoring it, it has not ended well. Girard has proven the ability to play up with Makar, but Toews has not shown the ability to play down and be worth 7M.

The Avs got screwed by finding a bunch of complimentary players who together are a beast. It really is like Voltron...except we are paying each individual player as if they were the main character in the story.

Personally, I wouldn't trade Toews...I think he compliments Makar quite well. He's played a ton better since the end of December. Besides, I don't think we can get a better d-man in exchange so it would only be downgrades from there. When he's at his best, he's certainly a top pairing guy and $7.75M isn't bad for that nowadays.

Rants is the guy I would trade as the big shake-up move. I think a lot of people forget but even though the production was there during the cup run, he wasn't great and a lot of people kept asking "what's wrong with Rantanen?"... It wasn't a huge deal because we were winning and had a lot of depth but I can certainly dig up those old threads if people don't remember or don't believe me.

I think he's a fantastic talent and a great offensive player but I don't see him as a guy who should be turning down $11M+ per year let alone asking for a lot more. I think that's a guy who's not seeing things for what they are and that is that he's a great complimentary player.