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Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

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SoundwaveIsCharisma said:
I do like the Avs throwing out the threat of a trade to Rants. His side has been posturing that they'll need 14M AAV, good for the Avs to throw it out there that if they aren't willing to negotiate they'll just send him elsewhere.
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The Avs have not thrown out anything
 
LOFIN said:
The Avs have not thrown out anything
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Just the media commenting on it (even if it isn't completely true) is likely a good thing. Rants has historically been hard to negotiate with, I think the Avs do need to put the pressure on him and provide some sort of deadline. Having him walk for nothing would be an absolute disaster with all the other question marks on the roster.
 
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I'd buy it. While I think Rants is best to keep around, I get why they'd do this. The Avalanche when healthy have a ton of pieces. If the Avs can someone cheaper with a good impact, and maybe a high pick, I can see why they'd do it.
 
SoundwaveIsCharisma said:
Just the media commenting on it (even if it isn't completely true) is likely a good thing. Rants has historically been hard to negotiate with, I think the Avs do need to put the pressure on him and provide some sort of deadline. Having him walk for nothing would be an absolute disaster with all the other question marks on the roster.
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I really f***ing HATE this notion that Rantanen was tough on negotiations. Yeah, took almost into the season. Like every SINGLE one of his peers that summer, because they were all playing chicken waiting for each other to sign to have comparables. And it's basically the same again this year with Marner. And when you look at the last few years, other players around the league have also taken long into their UFA season to sign (Pastrnak, Nylander).

There's really nothing extraordinary about this specific negotiation. Not in a league wide context, and not even with the Avs when you remember that the captain of this team signed one day (1!) before hitting UFA.
 
The Abusement Park said:
That they're willing to trade Mikko. I don't believe it and it's almost 1000% posturing, but this definitely comes off as a response to the 14mil thing that came out a few weeks ago.
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Again, there has been no such report. Lavoie wasn't reporting anything, he was merely talking about the Avalanche being a type of a team that would be willing to pull of such a move even in a cup window. While there has been exactly zero times the Avs have done something like that, and on the contrary, have many times kept their pending UFAs as rentals and then let them walk during the summer.

I believe the Avs would be willing to pull the trigger in a trade that would help them win a cup this year and in the future. Pulling off such a trade is pretty f***ing hard to do.
 
LOFIN said:
Again, there has been no such report. Lavoie wasn't reporting anything, he was merely talking about the Avalanche being a type of a team that would be willing to pull of such a move even in a cup window. While there has been exactly zero times the Avs have done something like that, and on the contrary, have many times kept their pending UFAs as rentals and then let them walk during the summer.

I believe the Avs would be willing to pull the trigger in a trade that would help them win a cup this year and in the future. Pulling off such a trade is pretty f***ing hard to do.
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I'm not saying I believe they will trade him, I've said as much. I'm saying that they're using that report as a negotiation tactic.
 
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During their contention window who have the Avs traded where upcoming contract demands may have been a factor?

Barrie? Newhook? Maybe Byram?

Both times moving the D to secure a guy with potential to fill a 2C spot. Newhook because he wasn't working out here.

The list of guys that have walked through UFA we've already talked about.

I'm really struggling to see any guys the Avs traded for the sake of getting some assets back rather than losing as a UFA for nothing.
 
LOFIN said:
I really f***ing HATE this notion that Rantanen was tough on negotiations. Yeah, took almost into the season. Like every SINGLE one of his peers that summer, because they were all playing chicken waiting for each other to sign to have comparables. And it's basically the same again this year with Marner. And when you look at the last few years, other players around the league have also taken long into their UFA season to sign (Pastrnak, Nylander).

There's really nothing extraordinary about this specific negotiation. Not in a league wide context, and not even with the Avs when you remember that the captain of this team signed one day (1!) before hitting UFA.
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Why do you hate the notion? Just because his peers were also difficult to negotiate with doesn't make Rantanen not difficult. He played tough all summer. He was tough to negotiate with and likely will be again.
 
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NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS said:
During their contention window who have the Avs traded where upcoming contract demands may have been a factor?

Barrie? Newhook? Maybe Byram?

Both times moving the D to secure a guy with potential to fill a 2C spot. Newhook because he wasn't working out here.

The list of guys that have walked through UFA we've already talked about.

I'm really struggling to see any guys the Avs traded for the sake of getting some assets back rather than losing as a UFA for nothing.
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I think the difference is Rants can get an 8 year deal and moved to a team he wants to play on. That's valuable. Unfortunately his contract will completely nuke the depth even more. If they're good with Nuke staying, I think it's the right move. Even in season if the get is big enough. You can probably fill 2 big holes moving him.
 
NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS said:
During their contention window who have the Avs traded where upcoming contract demands may have been a factor?

Barrie? Newhook? Maybe Byram?

Both times moving the D to secure a guy with potential to fill a 2C spot. Newhook because he wasn't working out here.

The list of guys that have walked through UFA we've already talked about.

I'm really struggling to see any guys the Avs traded for the sake of getting some assets back rather than losing as a UFA for nothing.
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Honestly I don't think any players were traded due to contract negotiations. If Makar hadn't shown up, Barrie very likely would have stayed (and, boy, that would not have worked out). Newhook wasn't dealt because of negotiations, Newhook was dealt because he sucks. Byram was dealt in part because he was the team's best trade chip by far and they had a dire need at the 2C position (sadly still do). Also, it's pretty clear he wants a bigger role and the Avs would not provide that, certainly not after Toews was re-upped, which I think took placed before he was dealt but I can't quite remember.

So, more to your point, yeah, I don't think the prospect of losing a player for nothing has forced the Avs' hand. Certainly not recently. The closest thing I can think of hearkens back before the Avs "official window" opened, and that was when they finally dealt Ryan O'Reilly after two fraught-filled negotiations.
 
I wouldn't trade Mikko for Pete

IMO the only reason you trade Mikko is if they've decided better depth is the way to extend our window and if that's the case Petey and his $11.6M ain't gonna help with that.


Again, Miller is who I would target. His $8M compared to Mikko's $12.5M would mean giving us an additional $4.5M to upgrade somewhere else on the roster.

In theory that could mean going from $2.5M Miles Wood to $7M Troy Terry purely for arguments sake. O



Again not suggesting any proposals or talking trade values but just from a cap standpoint.


Drouin - Mack - Nuke
Terry - Miller - Lehky
Colton - Mitts - LOC
Kelly - Parsnip - Kivi
Ivan


From a cap perspective that would still work, with Mikko(~12.5) + Wood(2.5) out and Miller(8.0) + Terry(7.0) coming in. Realistically Mikko is probably even more than $12.5M quite frankly. I have a hard time believing if he were willing to sign at that number that it wouldn't already be done. I suspect if he leaves it's because he and his agent know where the cap is heading and are actually asking for $14M+ on an 8 year deal. In which case I get why the Avs aren't signing up for that just yet.



Edit: It's also worth noting that $7M could also be Landy, not Terry. If Landy ends up returning.
 
Pierce Hawthorne said:
IMO the only reason you trade Mikko is if they've decided better depth is the way to extend our window and if that's the case Petey and his $11.6M ain't gonna help with that.
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It will because all of a sudden you have a 2C and don't need Mitts and his cap hit.

EP (11.6M) + Landy (7M) = Mitts (5.75M) + Rants (12.85M)
 
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LOFIN said:
I really f***ing HATE this notion that Rantanen was tough on negotiations. Yeah, took almost into the season. Like every SINGLE one of his peers that summer, because they were all playing chicken waiting for each other to sign to have comparables. And it's basically the same again this year with Marner. And when you look at the last few years, other players around the league have also taken long into their UFA season to sign (Pastrnak, Nylander).

There's really nothing extraordinary about this specific negotiation. Not in a league wide context, and not even with the Avs when you remember that the captain of this team signed one day (1!) before hitting UFA.
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Ya but his closest comps are pasta and Drai both signed recently so the basis of a deal is there for both sides. Would Mikko leave for an extra 10-15m on a ~100 million contract? I tend to think no and the Avs are just lowballing him but the threat is there. No reason this contract shouldn’t be done by now.
 
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