Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[Bender]

Jones would be able to take huge minutes for us. He would shift Makar to PK2, or if Manson is still here, take Cale off the PK altogether.

Not only does he give us the size we desperately lack, he’s a smooth skater and fits right into what Bednar expects of his defensemen. He can retrieve the puck with speed, skate it out or make the long stretch pass on the breakout.

Moving him to an environment where he doesn’t need to be “the guy” could see him flourish and be absolutely elite.

The salary is a huge issue, but if we could pull this off, we immediately have the best top 4 in the NHL, IMO.

IF such a deal were to happen, then I could see the Avs making one of these TYPES of trades at the TDL for a vet as that #6 guy - that we see every year :

Jets get:
D Colin Miller​

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Devils get:
2026 fourth-round pick​

Flyers get:
D Erik Johnson​

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Sabres get:
2024 fourth-round pick​

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Rangers get:
D Chad Ruhwedel​

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Penguins get:
2027 fourth-round pick​

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[chet1926]

I think it would be pretty crazy to get Jones on this team, think he could really flourish.

Without having to deal with being "the guy" on a defensive unit, I think he could settle kind of into what Girard is for the Avs. Except Jones is what every wishes Girard was (size and RHD).

Obviously cap is always an issue that needs to be looked at, but if retention was worked in, think Jones with some retention would be a steal for the Avs.

Toews-Makar
Girard-Jones

For the next 3 playoff runs would be insane.

Except for the fact that your forwards suck outside of 5 guys of which 13 is a ? and 62 and 27 struggle with injuries. So really it's 29 who's reliable and 96 who is hit or miss especially if he's asked to play on a different line than 29.

They have like 3 depth guys that are ok 25, 20 and 28. And then a bunch of shit.

 

[Bender]

I’d have to imagine a Jones trade means Manson going. I just don’t see how the cap fits.

Does anyone have the slightest ideas how much space we have?

Really don't think the Avs want to move on from Manson. IF they did, then they'd be immediately looking for a guy like Josh Manson to replace him.

In the off-season, yeah I could see it but my expectations are that the Avs would keep Manson for this run.

I don't know how they'd make it work with the cap. Maybe Mittelstadt is involved but IF he is, then that means that C-Mac already has another deal in his back pocket to bring in another #2C.

 

[EdAVSfan]

IF such a deal were to happen, then I could see the Avs making one of these TYPES of trades at the TDL for a vet as that #6 guy - that we see every year :

Jets get:​

D Colin Miller​

​

Devils get:​

2026 fourth-round pick​

Flyers get:​

D Erik Johnson​

​

Sabres get:​

2024 fourth-round pick​

​

Rangers get:​

D Chad Ruhwedel​

​

Penguins get:​

2027 fourth-round pick​

​

I assume in this case, you’re considering that Manson is gone?

Except for the fact that your forwards suck outside of 5 guys of which 13 is a ? and 62 and 27 struggle with injuries. So really it's 29 who's reliable and 96 who is hit or miss especially if he's asked to play on a different line than 29.

They have like 3 depth guys that are ok 25, 20 and 28. And then a bunch of shit.

There’s also the theory that an excellent defense that can all skate and move the puck, will allow the forwards more opportunities, more time on attack and better sustained pressure.

 

[dahrougem2]

Only way it's Jones is if the Avs send big-ish salary back or Hawks retain a lot.

I would love to get Jones but I think it's more likely the Avs are after a Murphy/Donato type.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Really don't think the Avs want to move on from Manson. IF they did, then they'd be immediately looking for a guy like Josh Manson to replace him.

In the off-season, yeah I could see it but my expectations are that the Avs would keep Manson for this run.

I don't know how they'd make it work with the cap. Maybe Mittelstadt is involved but IF he is, then that means that C-Mac already has another deal in his back pocket to bring in another #2C.

I just understand how the cap would work here. You’ve got anywhere from 6-9.5M being added in Jones. If a dman isn’t going out, how are we creating cap? And if you’re using Mittlestadt, you’re likely still adding cap, and then who’s your 2C? Anyone worthwhile is going to have a cap hit

 

[Jasenr]

I dont have any restriction on getting rid of Manson. Very poor on offence, very random on defence and takes penalties.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Possible guys who could be moved for cap purposes:

- Casey Mittelstadt ($5.75m AAV x 3y)

- Josh Manson ($4.5m AAV x 2y, 12 team NTC)

- Ross Colton ($4m AAV x 3y, full NTC this season)

- Miles Wood ($2.5m x 5y, 6 team NTC)

 

[Bender]

Except for the fact that your forwards suck outside of 5 guys of which 13 is a ? and 62 and 27 struggle with injuries. So really it's 29 who's reliable and 96 who is hit or miss especially if he's asked to play on a different line than 29.

They have like 3 depth guys that are ok 25, 20 and 28. And then a bunch of shit.

I wouldn't go that far. Instead of 'shit', I would say 'improperly slotted'.

Parker Kelly and Kiviranta have their moments but they are just not 3rd line players. On the 4th line, they could provide some decent depth.

Part of me wonders if Bednar just doesn't really like Parssinen or he just knows that for right now, he's not familiar enough with the system to really provide the kind of game that we'd need as the #3C.

I believe that the reason the Avs acquired Parssinen is for the long-term #3C slot and I believe in time, he'll be a pretty good one.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

I don't know how they'd make it work with the cap. Maybe Mittelstadt is involved but IF he is, then that means that C-Mac already has another deal in his back pocket to bring in another #2C.

Last year, the Walker and Mittelstadt trades were made less than 24 hours apart from each other.

So, if anything, it shows CMac can manage the dominoes and act quickly if need be.

 

[Grackle Party]

Supposedly k'andre miller is available what would he cost?

 

[Bender]

I just understand how the cap would work here. You’ve got anywhere from 6-9.5M being added in Jones. If a dman isn’t going out, how are we creating cap? And if you’re using Mittlestadt, you’re likely still adding cap, and then who’s your 2C? Anyone worthwhile is going to have a cap hit

Right but if the Avs are interested then they have apparently thought of a way to make this work.

Personally, I think if Chicago was interested in Nichushkin before - I could see him being included. It would sort of explain his "close to coming back" to "oh...he had a setback"... that always seemed kind of like bullshit to me.

So Jones retained - let's say he's at $7M for Nuke who is at $6.125M isn't that hard to make it work with the salary cap.

I know a lot of people want to keep Nuke but I could easily see C-Mac and the Avs wanting to move on.

 

[LOFIN]

Here's what we'll do

Send Mittelstadt and Manson to Chicago for Jones @50%
Put Rantanen to #2C

Drouin-MacK-Lehky
Landeskog-Rants-Nuke
Colton-Pärssinen-Wood
Kiviranta-Kelly-LOC

Toews-Makar
Girard-Jones
whoever-whoever

 

[dahrougem2]

Right but if the Avs are interested then they have apparently thought of a way to make this work.

Personally, I think if Chicago was interested in Nichushkin before - I could see him being included. It would sort of explain his "close to coming back" to "oh...he had a setback"... that always seemed kind of like bullshit to me.

So Jones retained - let's say he's at $7M for Nuke who is at $6.125M isn't that hard to make it work with the salary cap.

I know a lot of people want to keep Nuke but I could easily see C-Mac and the Avs wanting to move on.

If the Avs wanted to move on IMO they would have moved on long ago.

I think the Avs want nothing to do with moving Nichushkin.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Here's what we'll do

Send Mittelstadt and Manson to Chicago for Jones @50%
Put Rantanen to #2C

Drouin-MacK-Lehky
Landeskog-Rants-Nuke
Colton-Pärssinen-Wood
Kiviranta-Kelly-LOC

Toews-Makar
Girard-Jones
whoever-whoever

That’s absolutely terrible IMO.

Trading out 2 for 1. Weakens the depth even further.

Right but if the Avs are interested then they have apparently thought of a way to make this work.

Personally, I think if Chicago was interested in Nichushkin before - I could see him being included. It would sort of explain his "close to coming back" to "oh...he had a setback"... that always seemed kind of like bullshit to me.

So Jones retained - let's say he's at $7M for Nuke who is at $6.125M isn't that hard to make it work with the salary cap.

I know a lot of people want to keep Nuke but I could easily see C-Mac and the Avs wanting to move on.

This makes very little sense to me.

The AVS need Nuke far more than they need Jones.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

am I in an alternate universe? We're wanting Seth Jones? And people are okay with it if he's coming in with like 6m caphit, to play on the 2nd pairing, for this year and the next 5 years.

I know the Avs are in a rut... but dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

6M is around 6% of the cap next year and will be even less with each passing year. That is very good for a high end 2nd pair defenseman.

 

[Bender]

If the Avs wanted to move on IMO they would have moved on long ago.

I think the Avs want nothing to do with moving Nichushkin.

I don't know if they would have moved on "long ago". He came back November 15th, played 21 games then got "injured".

You gotta find a dance partner to make a trade.

Both those contracts line-up the same with an expiration after the 2029-30 season.

My bet is that if this gets done, he's going the other way.

That’s absolutely terrible IMO.

Trading out 2 for 1. Weakens the depth even further.


This makes very little sense to me.

The AVS need Nuke far more than they need Jones.

I disagree. They need a player they can count on.

 

[Grackle Party]

I disagree. They need a player they can count on.

I love Nuke, the player, but this all day.

 

[Balthazar]

Send Mittelstadt and Manson to Chicago for Jones @50%
Put Rantanen to #2C

Mitts to Chicago is realistic.
Manson to Chicago isn't realistic
Jones at 50% for 6 years sure as f*** isn't realistic
Rantanen at 2C isn't realistic, they even tested it again recently.

 

[EdAVSfan]

I don't know if they would have moved on "long ago". He came back November 15th, played 21 games then got "injured".

You gotta find a dance partner to make a trade.

Both those contracts line-up the same with an expiration after the 2029-30 season.

My bet is that if this gets done, he's going the other way.


I disagree. They need a player they can count on.

In some ways I agree. But imo, not an important forward. Reliable or not, nuke is huge difference maker if available.

We’re struggling offensively as it is.
Unless there’s a follow up move to acquire an impact level forward, I don’t see how this improves the chances of winning a cup.

 

[Bender]

In some ways I agree. But imo, not an important forward. Reliable or not, nuke is huge difference maker if available.

We’re struggling offensively as it is.
Unless there’s a follow up move to acquire an impact level forward, I don’t see how this improves the chances of winning a cup.

There would likely be a follow-up move...

I don't see the Avs going into the post season with just Mittelstadt as #2C even if he shows that he's turned it around between now and the TDL.

I think there's a couple of ways they can do this - either trade him outright with a + for an upgrade or simply acquire a #2C who's contract is set to expire and move Casey down to #3C with less pressure to produce.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Hmm.. while I don't love our defense I think offense is way bigger issue. The minutes Rantanen and MacK play are insane.

We would need to acquire a proper second line center + offensive depth. Jones itself won't do much in terms of winning the Cup.

 

[Murzu]

Mitts needs to get his head from his ass. Dude is capable, idk what is wrong.

 

[MacKaRant]

I know a lot of people want to keep Nuke but I could easily see C-Mac and the Avs wanting to move on.

It's a tough one for me to get my head around honestly.

On the one hand, I think our team's win percentage with and without over the past 4 seasons shows the largest difference when Nuke is out. More than MacK, more than Makar, more than Rantanen, more than Toews. To me, this matches the eye test as well, and I think our best chance to win a Cup is when Nuke can stay healthy and otherwise in the lineup for the duration of the playoffs.

On the other hand, probably 90% of the people on this board wanted to shoot him to the moon (or the KHL) this summer, and I do wonder if that feeling that he should be hung from the gallows is shared by some in the locker room.

 

[Pokecheque]

They're not moving Rants to center. Every time they try and do it it's undone about four shifts later. It's clear Rants doesn't want to do it and the coaches don't either.