Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[dahrougem2]

I think you're correct in your assessment but at the same time, it's the coach's responsibility to work with what he has and HIS BOSS' VISION of how he wants the team to play and play players to their strengths - not try to change who they are to fit what he's trying to do.

For me, it's this inflexibility that probably makes Bednar's days numbered as the Avs head coach.

Like I said after the playoffs - CMac made some great trades at the TDL - giving us the kind of depth and players who are known to be 'hard to play against' that you need to go deep in the playoffs. When that shitbag jamie benn cheap-shotted Devon Toews, that should have signaled to Bednar "oh yeah you f***ing piece of shit? Your teammates are going to HATE you because we're going to do the same to heiskanen and lindell and tanev and those guys are gonna finish the series on IR" all because of you.

But no...that is not the Bednar way. It's the traditional hockey way but Bednar doesn't want to win games or series that way apparently even though other teams do it to us. (Imagine Patrick Roy turning the other cheek?? Yeah, I don't f***ing think so)

So then he tried to turn Trenin and Duhaime into Matt Nieto types - guys that skate around pretty fast but don't do a hell of a lot out there. WTF is CMAC supposed to do, CLONE 7-8 Lehkonens??? Those players don't actually exist.

So then the decision has to be - does CMAC want to build a team that will be able to defend itself when the opposition is taking liberties against their best players and 'give as good as they get' or fill the bottom part of the roster with Parker Kellys and Kivirantas? Because when someone cheap shots and injures one of your best players - if you've got a team full of those Nieto types, you end up with a team that folds. They turn it down. They don't want it bad enough.

I've ALWAYS hated that about Bednar and his 'no retribution' garbage. It deflates the players and they feel like he doesn't have their back instead of jacking them up, using it as a rallying point.

I think a GM has to get on the same page as a coach. The GM knows a coach likes certain styles of players, why get him what he doesn't like then force him to use them? Bednar doesn't make moves, CMac does. If he makes these moves thinking they fit and they don't, that is very very bad for us. Case in point: Mittelstadt and his insane slowness.

Also, Patrick Roy did in fact turn the other cheek after Matt Cooke ended Tyson Barrie's playoffs in 2014. Yeah, Cooke got 7 games but the Wild basically shoved it in his face in the 2014-2015 season opener by starting Cooke and not one Avalanche player went after him.

 

[Ncit3]

I think you're correct in your assessment but at the same time, it's the coach's responsibility to work with what he has and HIS BOSS' VISION of how he wants the team to play and play players to their strengths - not try to change who they are to fit what he's trying to do.

For me, it's this inflexibility that probably makes Bednar's days numbered as the Avs head coach.

Like I said after the playoffs - CMac made some great trades at the TDL - giving us the kind of depth and players who are known to be 'hard to play against' that you need to go deep in the playoffs. When that shitbag jamie benn cheap-shotted Devon Toews, that should have signaled to Bednar "oh yeah you f***ing piece of shit? Your teammates are going to HATE you because we're going to do the same to heiskanen and lindell and tanev and those guys are gonna finish the series on IR" all because of you.

But no...that is not the Bednar way. It's the traditional hockey way but Bednar doesn't want to win games or series that way apparently even though other teams do it to us. (Imagine Patrick Roy turning the other cheek?? Yeah, I don't f***ing think so)

So then he tried to turn Trenin and Duhaime into Matt Nieto types - guys that skate around pretty fast but don't do a hell of a lot out there. WTF is CMAC supposed to do, CLONE 7-8 Lehkonens??? Those players don't actually exist.

So then the decision has to be - does CMAC want to build a team that will be able to defend itself when the opposition is taking liberties against their best players and 'give as good as they get' or fill the bottom part of the roster with Parker Kellys and Kivirantas? Because when someone cheap shots and injures one of your best players - if you've got a team full of those Nieto types, you end up with a team that folds. They turn it down. They don't want it bad enough.

I've ALWAYS hated that about Bednar and his 'no retribution' garbage. It deflates the players and they feel like he doesn't have their back instead of jacking them up, using it as a rallying point.

I think this is a fundamental misunderstanding of coaching and work in general. Employees are the talent. A GM is essentially a hiring manager and their singular job is to bring in talent that performs the job in the manner the team wants. It’s like hiring a bunch of chefs to work textiles. And then asking your manager to have them output premium work with workers that aren’t skilled in that type of labor.

 

[LOFIN]

A coach has to be able to change his style and tactics to suit the roster, but each coach still has his own vision and it's up to the GM to either find a coach that matches his own vision and roster construction OR find the players that fit what the coach is looking for.

If there really is a disconnect between what type of players CMac wants and what Bednar wants, CMac needs to replace Bednar because it's pretty apparent he's not about to change now. Not with the Avs.

 

[EdAVSfan]

I think a GM has to get on the same page as a coach. The GM knows a coach likes certain styles of players, why get him what he doesn't like then force him to use them? Bednar doesn't make moves, CMac does. If he makes these moves thinking they fit and they don't, that is very very bad for us. Case in point: Mittelstadt and his insane slowness.

Also, Patrick Roy did in fact turn the other cheek after Matt Cooke ended Tyson Barrie's playoffs in 2014. Yeah, Cooke got 7 games but the Wild basically shoved it in his face in the 2014-2015 season opener by starting Cooke and not one Avalanche player went after him.

At the same time, trying to find ONLY players that fit Bednar’s style is just as a big a problem. Sometimes you only have access to players who have some of the traits that Bednar wants, but not all of them. So what should he do? Just do nothing and wait for these specific style players become available? Or get some of these guys that have some of the traits and hope for the best.

Reality is that every team in the league wants players that Bednar wants.
He’s gotta find a way to be able to extract the talent out of the player.

 

[flyfysher]

There is absolutely a disconnect between CMac and Bednar on personnel but despite me liking how active CMac has been since last January, if we're talking player evaluations I'm begrudgingly siding with the coach.

I don't like f***ing idiot hockey players. Colton, Wood, Trenin, Duhaime are examples of players that will get pucks deep and crash/bang with regularity but ask them to take two seconds to think and they can't.

Bednar wants players that:

- Have tremendous speed
- Hound pucks
- Overwhelm offensively
- Can think

Colton is pretty much average to below average in all those things. Wood skates fast north/south but that is it and might be one of the dumbest players in hockey.

There's a reason Bednar LOVES his current 4th line and has quickly fallen in love with Drury. They check all the above boxes minus the "overwhelm offensively" because the 4th line struggles to score.

CMac seems to want crash and bang big boy hockey, and Bednar seems to want a roster similar to how we won in 2022.

Time will tell who wins out.

I can’t believe they aren’t communicating. I mean, that’s like vital.

 

[flyfysher]

A coach has to be able to change his style and tactics to suit the roster, but each coach still has his own vision and it's up to the GM to either find a coach that matches his own vision and roster construction OR find the players that fit what the coach is looking for.

If there really is a disconnect between what type of players CMac wants and what Bednar wants, CMac needs to replace Bednar because it's pretty apparent he's not about to change now. Not with the Avs.

Replace JB with who?

 

[forsbergavs32]

Replace JB with who?

@RoyIsALegend with me and @missionAvs as the assistants. What could go wrong?

 

[Avs9296]

@RoyIsALegend with me and @missionAvs as the assistants. What could go wrong?

There would be a lot of ass slapping going on the bench if RIAL was coach.

Lehky, Drury and LOC especially would be on the receiving end of them.

 

[Pokecheque]

The disconnect seems more the fault of MacFarland than Bednar. Bednar and his assistants knew damned well that Alex Newhook wasn't anything remotely resembling a 2nd line center. They certainly tried him there long enough to appease the brass, but it wasn't too long before he was relegated to the same dustbin as so many other 18s in Avs history. The fact hat MacFarland even tried to sell Newhook as the 2C of the future should have been a more ominous sign than we realized.

Hopefully Drury 2.0 doesn't follow suit.