BaconNater
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I still can't believe it's been 2 years since we've seen Gabe. Hard to wrap the mind around it when you step back and think about!
Their GM wouldn't do that though. That's a crazy return.
Rantanen
Girard
AVS 1st 2024
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San Jose 1st(Celibrini)
Barabanov
Ferraro
Musty ou Edstrom
Eklund
He can sign Reinhart and keep the 3rd OA and McTavish. Or trade for Marner for much cheaper.Mikko is a proven 100+pt player though. Of course return is crazy.
Shannon weighs in on the Avalanche, post-playoffs. Good perspective from an admitted Dallas fan.
I thought we did. Never established themselvesNo we didn’t.
Pratt coaches offense out of themMore than what he's doing right now...he's a PMD with PP2 time on the team that scores the most goals in the league. He's also making 5M/year.
His stats over the years:
2021: 0.67 PPG
2022: 0.41 PPG
2023: 0.49 PPG
2024: 0.30 PPG
That's a huge drop.
let's hope he has someI don't think we will or should trade him. But the narrative surrounding Colton here is... interesting. As if he'd have no value or something.
Rantanen is entering his final year before UFA. In order for the return for Rantanen deal to be crazy, it would have to be a sign and trade (or the team trading for him has the framework of an extension worked out with Rantanen).Mikko is a proven 100+pt player though. Of course return is crazy.
Nothing mind blowing on Nuke. Not sure what they'll end up doing. Kind of between a rock and a hard place. Anyone hoping for a contract termination was out to lunch, there was nothing there that could lead to that.Nothing that interesting in 32 thoughts about the Avs. No indication from Friedge that the Avs would be contemplating trading Rants, Elliotte was just talking how that contract has to be priority #1 for CMac. Thinks Drouin will get signed, he has found his happy place with the Avs. Also that we will probably roll with Georgiev again, unless there is something obvious available and doable. He played well in the playoffs. Regarding Nuke, thinks there might be a settlement eventually between the Avs, Nuke and the league if the locker room doesn't want him back. But no grounds for terminating the deal, and can't trade him now either. So nothing happening in that front for a while.
I don't get this narrative that's floating around.It's been 2 full years, he either can play or he can't.
This isn't directed at you Chet, but more of a general question and I'm only quoting you since you provided this about Nichushkin on the 32 Thoughts pod:Nothing mind blowing on Nuke. Not sure what they'll end up doing. Kind of between a rock and a hard place. Anyone hoping for a contract termination was out to lunch, there was nothing there that could lead to that.
Pretty sure that if you are the NHL/NHLPA program, you can't be terminated because you are getting help. Now, if he would completely abandon the program, that's another story.This isn't directed at you Chet, but more of a general question and I'm only quoting you since you provided this about Nichushkin on the 32 Thoughts pod:
If not this specific situation with Nichushkin, with everything we know that is public (and what the Avs have most definitely kept out of the public eye), why is it that they have "no grounds for termination"? What exactly would constitute grounds for termination? This guy has refused help at every step of the way, and was dumb enough to get caught using his "party drug" 2 straight postseasons. Like...could he not find a way to abstain until the off-season, when you're pretty much free to do whatever you want, knowing you just have to be clean when you show up for training camp?
Again, not directed at you, but there is a part of me that doesn't understand the logic around that.
Gotta see if I can find out more info, but someone who I know doesn't traffic in weird rumors had indicated to me, privately (and a few others) that Nichushkin has already gone back to Russia. Again, need to see/hear where he got that from so I can determine for myself what type of validity to assign to it.Pretty sure that if you are the NHL/NHLPA program, you can't be terminated because you are getting help. Now, if he would completely abandon the program, that's another story.
I believe the idea is that the players would not approve that their already signed deals could be undone like this. They will be represented by the NHLPA who will always defend whats best for the players. That is why it can never be a clear cut case. Negotiation will be involved.This isn't directed at you Chet, but more of a general question and I'm only quoting you since you provided this about Nichushkin on the 32 Thoughts pod:
If not this specific situation with Nichushkin, with everything we know that is public (and what the Avs have most definitely kept out of the public eye), why is it that they have "no grounds for termination"? What exactly would constitute grounds for termination? This guy has refused help at every step of the way, and was dumb enough to get caught using his "party drug" 2 straight postseasons. Like...could he not find a way to abstain until the off-season, when you're pretty much free to do whatever you want, knowing you just have to be clean when you show up for training camp?
Again, not directed at you, but there is a part of me that doesn't understand the logic around that.
See this I totally get. I am a pro-Union guy, so I WELCOME the union challenging it.I believe the idea is that the players would not approve that their already signed deals could be undone like this. They will be represented by the NHLPA who will always defend whats best for the players. That is why it can never be a clear cut case. Negotiation will be involved.
The details of the NHL/NHLPA assistance program have not been made public. So who knows.One thing I am confused about.
He has been suspended for at least 6 months but is he in a program facility for the entire 6 months or is he in a facility until he is drug-cleared and then on his own at home for the remainder of the 6 months?
So you think 2M/yr on the cap for the next 6 years?Nuke is going to end in a termination and settlement. The Avs will threaten pure termination and deal with the union grievance (regardless of if it would hold up). Nuke will say that he has to be bought out and will fight anything. All parties (including NHLPA and NHL) will come together to make it work. Nuke will get something, but it won't be the $25m he'd get out of a buyout. Where it exactly lands between 0-25m is anybody's guess (my personal thought is ~12m).
I'd bet we have an answer on this prior to the draft, but at least July 1. If we get past July 1, we will see how the Avs are planning by the cap space they leave open.
It doesn't have to be spread over the current contract term (see Richards), but somewhere between 6-12 years is my guess. It won't be crippling, but it won't be insignificant either.So you think 2M/yr on the cap for the next 6 years?
How is this narrative, he physically hasn't played a hockey game either of the last 2 season.I don't get this narrative that's floating around.
It's not like he's been trying to come back for 2 years. He only had surgery about a year ago, he's still in the recovery/rehab phase. Everything that happened prior to that surgery is irrelevant for his timeline to return. He's now on the 12-18 month recovery time stated when he had the surgery. Ball is aiming to make a return when the NBA season resumes, Landy will likely be the same. It was fun to think he'd be back in the playoffs, and maybe if we made the final he would have been, but I don't think stating things as binary right now makes sense. Let his rehab finish at least.
What do you suggest they do about it then? He's not going to just retire. He has a full NMC, and I don't think they are going to ask the captain to waive that. You can't force him to LTIR before he tries to play, if he feels like he is going to be able to play.How is this narrative, he physically hasn't played a hockey game either of the last 2 season.
I think everyone understands he's trying, but we can't continue to wait on trying. And honestly expecting anything of value from a guy who hasn't played a second of hockey in 2 years is a fools errand.
He needs to either get in the lineup and start to play again or the Avs need to consider options on his contract. It's simply not fair to the guys who are out there competing to have a guy that isn't helping the team in any manner on the ice.
We can't keep playing the guessing game it's not helpful to the team.
I get that it has been 2 years since he has last played, but a bunch has happened in those years and he is still in rehab of surgery. It's not been 2 years of nothing. We will wait until his rehab is complete and he'll be at training camp.How is this narrative, he physically hasn't played a hockey game either of the last 2 season.
I think everyone understands he's trying, but we can't continue to wait on trying. And honestly expecting anything of value from a guy who hasn't played a second of hockey in 2 years is a fools errand.
He needs to either get in the lineup and start to play again or the Avs need to consider options on his contract. It's simply not fair to the guys who are out there competing to have a guy that isn't helping the team in any manner on the ice.
We can't keep playing the guessing game it's not helpful to the team.