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Good for Kampf, I hope he has a very good season and earns an ELC. I'm not as hopeful as I was but perhaps...
Prospect Info: 2024-2025 Rangers Prospects Thread (Prospect Stats in Post #1; Updated 12/15/2024)
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Good for Kampf, I hope he has a very good season and earns an ELC. I'm not as hopeful as I was but perhaps...
Yeah Kempf has become a very good college player, but I'm not sure if he has what it takes to become more than a depth AHL guy.
Nothing wrong with a 7th round pick being an AHL player.
Several prospect notes:
Today Vince Mercogliano wrote the first of his two prospect previews and provided his rating for prospects 6-10 as follows:
10. Rempe
9. Boliard
8. BMB
7. Garand
6. Fortescue
He implied that Boliard has more offensive upside than BMB and BMB is a shutdown defensive player and is becoming an elite penalty killer. The wrote ups for the other players were what to be expected.
Tomorrow he does 1-5, which very likely will be Perrault, Othmann, Emery, Berard and Sykora in that order.
Steve Ellis of Daily Face Off wrote about his top 75 NHL prospects and listed Perrault at 16 up from 37 last year and Brennan Othmann at 69 down from 42..
What caught my eye was for Perrault he said his skating is better and at the World Junior Summer Showcase, "he already looks more explosive" and for Othmann projecting that he cam become a top six NHL player.
Today Vince Mercogliano wrote the first of his two prospect previews and provided his rating for prospects 6-10 as follows:
10. Rempe
9. Boliard
8. BMB
7. Garand
6. Fortescue
He implied that Boliard has more offensive upside than BMB and BMB is a shutdown defensive player and is becoming an elite penalty killer. The wrote ups for the other players were what to be expected.
Tomorrow he does 1-5, which very likely will be Perrault, Othmann, Emery, Berard and Sykora in that order.
Steve Ellis of Daily Face Off wrote about his top 75 NHL prospects and listed Perrault at 16 up from 37 last year and Brennan Othmann at 69 down from 42..
What caught my eye was for Perrault he said his skating is better and at the World Junior Summer Showcase, "he already looks more explosive" and for Othmann projecting that he cam become a top six NHL player.
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It’s interesting that BMB made top-10 but not Laba. I get where you’re coming from re top-5 but an outside scenario could be that Laba is in top-5 (I’d guess at the expense of Sykora if this is the case).
It's too bad he only did a top ten. There are several interesting prospects who would be in the 11-15 range. I'm thinking Mancini, Laba, Chmelar, Edstrom, Roobroeck.
Absolutely. I think really once you get outside the third round, if you find an organizational depth player that's a good result. Of course you want to hit a home run every now and then, but those organizational guys are still very important.
Rasmus Larsson will wear #8 for Northern Michigan. I was relieved to see a roster released. Not that I doubted he'd be there, but they lost a ton of guys to transfers and the program has been in a bit of turmoil.
They also have an All Zoomer Name Team:
Wolfgang Govedaris
Grayden Daul
Tynan Ewart
Medric Bolduc
Grayden Slipec
Colby Browne
Aidyn Hutchinson
They also have an All Zoomer Name Team:
Wolfgang Govedaris
Grayden Daul
Tynan Ewart
Medric Bolduc
Grayden Slipec
Colby Browne
Aidyn Hutchinson
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This are Rangers fans we expect Lundqvist and Pavelski with every 7th round pick
All i can think about is the kay and Peele football skit now. These names fit right in.
Wolfgang govedaris might be related to Jackmerius Tacktheratrix orD’Glester Hardunkichud
Nothing is better than Hingle Mcgringleberry though.
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Vince M completed his prospect ranking with the top five as I suggested: 1. Perrault, 2. Othmann, 3. Emery, 4. Berard, 5. Sykora. Nothing unusual in his individual write-ups.
What was interesting was that he put Perrault, Othmann and Emery in a tier I (Valuable line up regulars) , with Berard Sykora, Fortescue and Garand in Tier II (role players who still have to prove they can overcome perceived shortcomings) and Tier III, Jaroslav Chmelař, Adam Edström, Noah Laba and Dylan Roobroeck, defensemen Rasmus Larsson and Victor Mancini and goalie Hugo Ollas among those who just missed this year's cut, but they fall into a similar category with prospects ranked 8-10 (Bryce McConnell-Barker, Raoul Boilard and Matt Rempe) − "clear strengths and things to like, but also holes in their game that call their staying power into question."
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From statistical perspective the sheer number of prospects in that tier indicates that at least a couple will develop into at least a role players in the NHL.
I know we like to angst about losing draft picks in trades (one of the biggest Drury’s offenses) but as it stands right now the impact will not be felt for at least 5-6 years so the existing contender window should not be affected.
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Thanks. It makes me wonder if there's a unique transfer agreement with Finland. Like how the most recent agreement with Sweden was unique to Sweden (as far as I know) and was different than the IIHF transfer agreement that I had come ot know over the past several years.
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The IIHF transfer agreement is the same for each country. However...
- There has been an updated version where the age criteria are raised
- Leagues can determine themselves how to distribute the transfer revenue
On that latter part, I think the SHL allows the first 10 teams to keep the fee, and the rest is divided among all teams equally. Finland as far as I know just pays it to the team with the caveat that there are possible "academy fees" paid to prior teams that developed that player
Those rules aren't ratified in the transfer agreement though, so it's hard to definitively say.
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My understanding after reading into this stuff recently is that there has been a separate agreement between the Swedish Hockey Association and the NHL since at least the mid-2000s when there was a period when the IIHF agreement lapsed. That agreement is what changed in 2022 when the SHA and NHL agreed to new terms: ”Det största avtalet i svensk idrottshistoria”
From that agreement came changes to how Swedish teams are compensated, and it also raised that age figure that required the Swedish players to be loaned back.
Sweden is a member nation of the IIHF as far as I know so I don't understand how the coordination between the IIHF transfer agreement and the SHA/NHL agreement works. This is what I was referring to with Finland, though--I didn't know if they had reached an agreement with the NHL like Sweden did. But if you tell me the IIHF agreement is basically the same as the Swedish agreement with respect to age, I can certainly believe that.
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Yeah. This is the an addition to the IIHF transfer agreement mostly just outlining payment.
The stipulations regarding assignment changed in 2022 and the most significant change is the age of the player (see attached). This is in all honesty the only part that matters to this conversation and to fans in general. Nobody is concerned with the amount the NHL pays in transfer fees.
Coutries individually also have their separate rules. Like the Swiss hockey federation included an adjustment that Swiss teams can replace a player lost to the NHL with a non-Swiss player for that season without it counting towards their import numbers.
Just to clear this up as well, I reached out to his dad regarding the sequence of events.
Väisänen signed with Ilves for the 2024-25 season before he signed his ELC. So this loan back to Ilves is 100% all tied to the transfer agreement.
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Some of the prospects have started their season.
We have two guys in the CHL: Nathan Aspinall who plays for Flint in the OHL, who has 1 goal in 2 games, and Raoul Boilard, who plays for Baie-Comeau in the QMJHL, who has 2 assists in 2 games.
In Europe, Rico Gredig plays for HC Davos in Switzerland. He is scoreless with 4 shots in 5 games. I don't know how he's being used. Kalle Väisänen is with Ilves Tampere in Liiga, and he's scoreless through 2 games. Fortunately he played 15 minutes in both games, so he's seeing good TOI, possibly even better than he'd have seen in Hartford. Karl Henriksson is probably not coming back, but he's still ours and he's with Växjö in the SHL. He hasn't played a game yet, and I can't find anything on him.
College hockey starts up this weekend. That's where most of our guys are and a lot of them play for really good teams. The College Hockey News preseason top-10 has #1 BC (Perreault, Fortescue), #3 Minnesota (Lamb), #5 North Dakota (Emery), #9 Cornell (Kampf), and #10 Colorado College (Laba). Karpa plays for Harvard, Henricks is debuting for Western Michigan, and Larsson is debuting with Northern Michigan.
We have two guys in the CHL: Nathan Aspinall who plays for Flint in the OHL, who has 1 goal in 2 games, and Raoul Boilard, who plays for Baie-Comeau in the QMJHL, who has 2 assists in 2 games.
In Europe, Rico Gredig plays for HC Davos in Switzerland. He is scoreless with 4 shots in 5 games. I don't know how he's being used. Kalle Väisänen is with Ilves Tampere in Liiga, and he's scoreless through 2 games. Fortunately he played 15 minutes in both games, so he's seeing good TOI, possibly even better than he'd have seen in Hartford. Karl Henriksson is probably not coming back, but he's still ours and he's with Växjö in the SHL. He hasn't played a game yet, and I can't find anything on him.
College hockey starts up this weekend. That's where most of our guys are and a lot of them play for really good teams. The College Hockey News preseason top-10 has #1 BC (Perreault, Fortescue), #3 Minnesota (Lamb), #5 North Dakota (Emery), #9 Cornell (Kampf), and #10 Colorado College (Laba). Karpa plays for Harvard, Henricks is debuting for Western Michigan, and Larsson is debuting with Northern Michigan.
Anyone think Kampf can be like Mancini as in his game better suited for pro hockey as opposed to college hockey? He would add needed good young defensive depth tbat this team needa.
We'll see what happens this year but right now it's not looking likely. With Mancini, before the puck moving ability developed last season, he still had an NHL-caliber size/skating combo to fall back on. Kempf doesn't really have any standout skills that look like they're NHL-level. His game as a college defender is all "pretty good," but in that context.
Even if he magically developed a puck handling touch, I'm still not sure it would be enough to be more than an organizational guy. He actually reminds me more of Simon Kjellberg than Vic Mancini; not in terms of style, but that same kind of "he has fine tools for a college player but not much more than that."
Rangers need to add good young defensive depth. Shocked they didn't sign any undrafted or free agent drafted players.
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Managing a team is more than just managing the cap. Teams can only carry 50 NHL contracts at a given time. Rangers are at 46. I wouldn't expect more than 48 going into a season and that's because of trade or waiver pick up flexibility. If you're already at 50 you can't add a player without dumping a player beforehand. Also that one guy for two guy deals are out. Not that I expect that we're going to be making such a deal or that we'll be picking anyone up on waivers at least anytime soon.
As far as signing prospects just because you have the space to do it....you might also stick yourself with a guy on a 3 year ELC and if he turns to shit then you haven't done the team or him a favor and you're left either allowing him to ride that term out or figuring a way to get rid of him. To me also when you have guys who are going to spend a season or more in the ECHL they're not really worth giving an NHL contract. As is the Rangers have more than enough players on NHL contracts to fill out the Wolf Pack's roster. So the point of giving someone 3 years who's not good enough to play for your AHL team is questionable. I prefer younger prospects who have some reasonable chance of one day becoming good NHL players and not everyone even on our AHL team is going to end up doing that.
As far as signing prospects just because you have the space to do it....you might also stick yourself with a guy on a 3 year ELC and if he turns to shit then you haven't done the team or him a favor and you're left either allowing him to ride that term out or figuring a way to get rid of him. To me also when you have guys who are going to spend a season or more in the ECHL they're not really worth giving an NHL contract. As is the Rangers have more than enough players on NHL contracts to fill out the Wolf Pack's roster. So the point of giving someone 3 years who's not good enough to play for your AHL team is questionable. I prefer younger prospects who have some reasonable chance of one day becoming good NHL players and not everyone even on our AHL team is going to end up doing that.
