Hard to justify not allowing it after NIL became a thing.
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Hard to justify not allowing it after NIL became a thing.
Absolutely. The whole amateur model is dead so there was no reason to be able to prohibit CHL guys.
My fear has always been the impact it will have on the USHL and USA Hockey in general. A lot of guys who played USHL because they wanted to go to college can now go play CHL hockey and then still go to college. A not insignificant amount of American kids will also get pushed out/down by the 19 and 20 year old players leaving the CHL to go the NCAA route. What would have happened to a Noah Laba or a Vic Mancini or their programs brought in a couple highly-rated CHL players each year?
It's really amazing how many variables there are here, including CBA-related stuff. The Athletic published an exhaustive and really informative piece: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/58...adian-hockey-league-college-hockey-explained/
Will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.
the biggest impact will be to the USHL/BCHL as guys don't need to go there to keep their eligiblity. guys can now go play CHL as 16, 17, 18 year olds and then go to college
I think more colleges might start having a d1 hockey program since they are revenue generating. But its just a guess.
Perhaps would have ended up exactly where they were. I can't imagine CHL kids going to anywhere but the top programs (and the top programs aren't going to want 2nd and 3rd tier CHL kids.)
CC and UNO are hardly top tier programs (CC is dope once in a blue moon, but they're pretty mid-tier most of the time.)
After seeing the success ASU is having I would be shocked if we don't see a few other west coast schools add a hockey team soon.
That's a fair point and "highly-rated" was a poor choice of words by me. The CHL kids I'm talking about are mainly the productive over-agers. Those guys that right now can either hang around for an OA year in the CHL and dominate or they can try to turn pro and probably play in the ECHL. Those guys will be going to college to showcase themselves and would seem more likely to go to a lesser program if it means a bigger role.
The actual highly-rated prospects will for sure go to the established schools. Or, they'll chase NIL money. That hasn't really become a big thing in college hockey yet but it seems likely that it will be soon.
Can the player go back to the CHL route, if they want to play more games than they would in college?
leaving NCAA to go to the CHL has always been allowed. It was the other way that wasn't cause the NCAA considered CHL players 'pros' and took away their eligibility. that is the part that is changing.
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I'm thrilled we are going to get CHL players come to the NCAA. NCAA hockey is going to get much better because of it (sorry CHL). Will easily become the best developmental league for future NHL players (which it probably is already but even more so, excluding the AHL).
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just ahead of Buch and Duke, NYR drafted a guy who did just that
walked away from No Dak for WHL
It remains to be seen how much better it will make the NCAA. Several people in the article I posted earlier said the same. It's more of an option for guys now, but there are a lot of kids who just don't want to go to school and be a "student athlete" like that. Some schools have also expressed skepticism at the idea of bringing in guys who they know will play only a year (obviously excluding an a stud prospect). And yet other schools are hesitant to open the door to NIL battles for CHL guys. That's not to say we won't end up with an influx or quality CHL players in the NCAA, but we just don't know yet.
There's also the matter of the NCAA and the CHL being different both in terms of style and in terms of age. The NCAA of course skews several years older on average than the CHL and it's also a different game, which is one of the drawing points for a lot of guys--that it's more similar to the pro game stylistically. So while the top tier guys shouldn't have too much of an issue, it's the more middle tier guys that might find the NCAA is not the right option for them.
There's just so much unknown at this point. It seems like the only thing that is universally agreed on by those involved at the various levels and programs is that the USHL, BCHL, and similar leagues will take a big hit. Beyond that, who knows.
There's also the matter of the NCAA and the CHL being different both in terms of style and in terms of age. The NCAA of course skews several years older on average than the CHL and it's also a different game, which is one of the drawing points for a lot of guys--that it's more similar to the pro game stylistically. So while the top tier guys shouldn't have too much of an issue, it's the more middle tier guys that might find the NCAA is not the right option for them.
There's just so much unknown at this point. It seems like the only thing that is universally agreed on by those involved at the various levels and programs is that the USHL, BCHL, and similar leagues will take a big hit. Beyond that, who knows.
I think it's going to make an impact for top CHL players who are either NCAA eligible bc of age or pull some Celebrini shit to get in early.
While they won't rake in the kind of money that college football or basketball players will, NIL deals will allow them to rake in more dough than they would in in the CHL.
if college hockey were a bigger deal it would have effectively killed the CHL.
That was one of the things I've seen cited by more than a few people. There is no agreement between the NCAA and CHL at this time. So what is to stop a guy from starting at BC, being frustrated with his role, going to juniors, and then re-enrolling in the NCAA the next year? The leagues can of course legislate around that but right now it's the wild f***ing west out there.
NHL will need to weigh in, too. The most obvious example is that you have generally 2 years to sign a guy drafted out of the CHL. What happens if that guy then enrolls in the NCAA, where you would have 4 years (typically) to sign a guy? And then if they switch?
I don't think you will see an increase in legit prospects. for the guys who were going to college anyway, this opens options for them prior to college but I don't see guys who weren't planned that route to suddenly change...
the place that ncaa will likely see an increase are for the lesser guys who don't get a pro contract coming out of juniors....now they can leave juniors at 20 and go play college hockey for 4 years to earn a free degree and maybe earn a pro contract putting up good numbers as an older college player....which i guess could raise the level of competition
the place that ncaa will likely see an increase are for the lesser guys who don't get a pro contract coming out of juniors....now they can leave juniors at 20 and go play college hockey for 4 years to earn a free degree and maybe earn a pro contract putting up good numbers as an older college player....which i guess could raise the level of competition
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Can CHL players go to NCAA to run the Kevin Hayes/Jimmy Vesey exploit?
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there would never be a need
NHL-drafted CHL guys, who don't sign (choose not to sign) within 2 years
have those NHL rights expire
if still 20 they may be eligible in subsequent draft,
but in last 10 years, it seems even fewer un-signed previously-drafted guys got re-drafted (than in the years prior)
here are 2 times NYR re-drafted a NHL-rights-expired guy
But I think it’s a reasonable question to ask whether or not the eligibility rules would apply for a person moving from the CHL to the NCAA.
I’d imagine that they would be held under what ever eligibility rules would apply to them at the moment they were drafted but being redrafted wouldn’t preclude them from telling that team to F off and hit UFA after their senior season either.
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Yeah, like I don't know all the rules. Is age a triggering factor for NCAA players or is it years played? Say someone got drafted late as a 20 y.o. (happens) in the CHL. Can they transfer to NCAA and have their rights expire in 1 year vs 2? I imagine the 20 y.o. CHL player has two years to sign? Or maybe there is a different time line there. I just haven't read these rules in some time. Appreciate the expertise @cwede
The easiest way to understand the college player eligibility and signing deadlines is if they're a "bona fide" college student, a team will hold their rights until they graduate with their class. There are a whole bunch of things that can modify that timeline, but for the overwhelming majority of guys that's what it is.
So yeah, how does a guy drafted out of the CHL factor in? If he goes to college does an NHL team have extra time to sign him? What if he is drafted from the CHL, goes to the NCAA for two years, then goes back to the CHL? Is he magically a free agent? The NHL will likely work all this out sooner rather than later, but right now it's up in the air.
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yeah the bona fide student-athlete is key
For instance guys like Wheeler and Schultz left school without completing 4 seasons
so became eligible to wait til Aug 15 then become UFA after their Junior years
They were both guys who did their D+1 years outside of the NCAA yeah?
I guess you can leave after 3 if you're a D+4.
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Kempf had an assist.
Perreault had 2 secondary assists.
Nothing for Fortescue.
Laba is out again.
Nothing for Larsson. His team is a disaster.
Nothing for Emery so far.
Lamb with an assist.
Nothing for Aspinall who is now four games without a point.
Perreault had 2 secondary assists.
Nothing for Fortescue.
Laba is out again.
Nothing for Larsson. His team is a disaster.
Nothing for Emery so far.
Lamb with an assist.
Nothing for Aspinall who is now four games without a point.
