NHL 2024 - 2025 Out of Town IV
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Little late to the party, but Price on the quarter century team, but not Rask?
Regular Season
Price - 2.51 GAA / .917 SV% / 49 SO
Rask - 2.28 GAA / .921 SV% / 52 SO
Playoffs
Price - 2.39 GAA / .919 SV% / 8 SO
Rask - 2.22 GAA / .925 SV% / 7 SO
Regular Season
Price - 2.51 GAA / .917 SV% / 49 SO
Rask - 2.28 GAA / .921 SV% / 52 SO
Playoffs
Price - 2.39 GAA / .919 SV% / 8 SO
Rask - 2.22 GAA / .925 SV% / 7 SO
Mr. Make-Believe
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The NHL was humping Price’s leg before he stepped a single foot on professional ice.
This doesn’t surprise me in the slightest.
Best way i look at it is it's a tale of two time periods, or so to speak.
Price had the better peak than Rask (see; 2015) but Rask was the more consistent goalie over their careers. I think what gets Price the nod is the fact he quite literally dragged those substandard mid 10s Habs teams to relevance ala Henrik Lundqvist did for the Rangers.
Rask certainly wasn't a slouch, but when you had the team he had around him, it's going to reflect negatively fairly or unfairly.
Price had the better peak than Rask (see; 2015) but Rask was the more consistent goalie over their careers. I think what gets Price the nod is the fact he quite literally dragged those substandard mid 10s Habs teams to relevance ala Henrik Lundqvist did for the Rangers.
Rask certainly wasn't a slouch, but when you had the team he had around him, it's going to reflect negatively fairly or unfairly.
quietbruinfan
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Rask was an overrated choking dog who was better in the playoffs than the guy you like.
BruinDust
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The quarter century list was brutal.
Patrick Roy's inclusion for example. He's arguably be the best goalie ever, but he was done in the league by 2002-03.
Teemu Selanne doesn't have a 1st, 2nd team all-star, or an individual award after 1999.
I don't agree with Fleury's inclusion either. He wins a cup in 2009, but in the early-to-mid 2010s he lost his starting job multiple times and never really regained a full-time starting position until he goes to Vegas in the expansion draft. Lots of recency bias with his inclusion. If he's there where is Jon Quick or Tuukka Rask?
No Kucherov was flat out ridiculous. I felt Stamkos being there was a stretch.
Only 3 D-men? No Pronger (who won a Hart and Norris the year the list started and played another 12 years, winning a cup). No Duncan Keith (2 Norris trophies, 3 cups). I'd also add Karlsson, whether he's good defensively or not, he's got 3 Norris trophies.
Q.Why don't we get General Managers like that?
A. Because ownership is clueless and interested only in $$$
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A. Because ownership is clueless and interested only in $$$
Ken Holland, legendary former Detroit Red Wings general manager, accepts L.A. Kings GM job
Ken Holland, who won four Stanley Cups while working in the Red Wings front office, will accept the L.A. Kings general manager position.
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BruinDust
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Q.Why don't we get General Managers like that?
A. Because ownership is clueless and interested only in $$$
Ken Holland, legendary former Detroit Red Wings general manager, accepts L.A. Kings GM job
Ken Holland, who won four Stanley Cups while working in the Red Wings front office, will accept the L.A. Kings general manager position.
You actually want Ken Holland?
I think that is a terrible hire for the Kings.
Statistically, Rask is the most successful Boston Bruins goaltender of all time.
Granted, the asterisk is the asterisk with two Stanley Cup failures. But he was hardly the only reason for those failures, especially in 2019.
I will say, he had a curious habit of coming down with mystery ailments when it mattered most.
Still an excellent, technically superb goaltender. We were lucky to have him. Very lucky.
I don't need a laundry list of latter day failures. Especially what he was given to work with.
You cannot deny or impugne his guidance of the Detroit Red Wings through many glorious years of excellence.
BruinDust
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I always found him to be extremely overrated. Took over the GM position in 1997, I'll give him credit for the Shanahan deal which put their core over the top (and even then Shanahan forced that issue).
After that he basically just throws Illitch's money and 1st round picks around until the salary cap era.
He was very fortunate they found Datsyuk and Zetterberg late in the draft and popped in time to keep their window open a bit longer with Lidstrom still around.
I can't think of any significant trades he made where Detroit came out a clear winner. Maybe getting Chelios out of Chicago.
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Illitch throwing money around + having the scouting genius of Håkan Andersson should get more credit than Holland did.
CharasLazyWrister
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The group of fans with the ability to blame Rask for literally every series loss no matter what actually transpired had become pretty entertaining by the time Tuukka's career concluded.
BruinDust
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And Holland was a scout and director of amateur prior to so I'll give him credit in that as well.
I just think his success was in a totally different playing field. No real money constraints. Detroit was a lot of times the 1st choice for older talent with their reputation and spending habits.
Finding a talent like a Datsyuk late in the draft now is practically impossible with so much information out there in terms of video, scouting reports, etc.
Terrier
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Canucks doing Canucks things;
As of yesterday they had two options;
Option A was Manny Malholtra; Former Canuck, has spent 7 seasons around the league as an assistant and got his first head coaching gig as the guy for the Canucks farm team this past year (great first season too, 44-24-4 record.) Generally well liked/respected by his peers and many assume he's going to be a head coach in the not too distant future.
Option B is Adam Foote; 3 years as an assistant to Rick Tocchet, no head coaching experience outside of a really underwhelming 18 months coaching Kelowna in the WHL.
Of course option B is the obvious pick! Duh!
As of yesterday they had two options;
Option A was Manny Malholtra; Former Canuck, has spent 7 seasons around the league as an assistant and got his first head coaching gig as the guy for the Canucks farm team this past year (great first season too, 44-24-4 record.) Generally well liked/respected by his peers and many assume he's going to be a head coach in the not too distant future.
Option B is Adam Foote; 3 years as an assistant to Rick Tocchet, no head coaching experience outside of a really underwhelming 18 months coaching Kelowna in the WHL.
Of course option B is the obvious pick! Duh!
Babajingo
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Those are the same people who haven't removed the Thomas posters from their bedroom ceiling.
Mr. Make-Believe
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My favourite goaltender of all time? Timmy Thomas.
My second favourite? Tuukka.
I think it’s healthy to have loved both of them.
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BruinDust
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Both guys inherited very strong cores and eventually ran them into the ground. I just think Holland has been living off his pre-salary cap reputation for a very long time and quite frankly is nothing special.
Agree to disagree.
If you read the article, you can see that Holland was involved in building those great Detroit teams years prior.
