NHL 2024 - 2025 Out of Town IV
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I’m glad the NHL has provided a path to redemption for Joel Quenneville.
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I can't believe this shit.
Bettman's Folly, 3.0,
www.sportsnet.ca
Bettman's Folly, 3.0,
Third time's a charm: Bettman discusses possible Atlanta expansion
Gary Bettman did nothing to quell belief that the National Hockey League is getting serious about expanding to Atlanta.
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Same old same old. If Mitch Miller had “Coach Q’s” resume he’d be skating on the Bruins blueline right now.
I think Elton John’s Sweet Painted Lady who made a living “gettin’ paid for being laid” had nothing on Gary Bettman.
I don't blame Bettman or the league here, I blame the Ducks. There really wasn't a strong enough case against him for the NHL to maintain Quenneville's total ban from the NHL. Nothing regarding his specific personal conduct was ever actually proven in any sort of legal or formal manner. We all know he was involved in suppressing or at least ignoring the Beach allegations, but as the findings of the independent investigation were never tested in a judicial setting it leaves them short of being definitive or confirmed. Perhaps the league should have pushed further on that front but I otherwise understand their position.
But Anaheim were under no obligation to hire him, or even interview him, and did so anyway. That's what I find to be especially unacceptable and showing of a total lack of judgment. This wouldn't fly in a big market team like Boston, but tucked away in Anaheim they can probably make this stick without too much backlash. If I were a fan of theirs though I'd be most unhappy.
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Czechia vs. Norway just started on NHLN, don't forget the P-Bruins get going in Charlotte at 3 p.m., win or go home.
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I can see your point.
I think it’s disgraceful — but see the nuances involved.
Not a good look for the NHL regardless.
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Anaheim did call Beach and ask him about Quenneville's involvement and if Beach would have an issue with Q back at the helm of an NHL team. If Beach is okay with it, I'm not sure why fans feel the need to be offended for him, or hold him to some so-called higher standard.
Yeah I read that. And I think it's important that Anaheim did that, but it doesn't change anything for me. My position is not based on being "offended" on Beach's behalf. And while Beach's opinion in this matter obviously carries a lot of weight, he doesn't get the final say on what's ethical or not.
To me it's quite simple - there's good evidence that Quenneville was involved in temporarily suppressing allegations of sexual misconduct, because winning a game was more important, and then by his own admission he did nothing to follow the matter up personally and simply assumed that it was dealt with. With that in mind you've got to make a determination on two things - was that merely a single lapse in judgment, or does it speak to a deeper character flaw? And is it sufficient to rule him out of any future coaching roles, even if he can demonstrate suitable remorse and reform?
And for me, I can accept it as a single lapse, but one that's bad enough even so that I don't think he deserves to be given another coaching position, no matter how much he's learned from his errors. Harsh maybe, but that's how I see it. Plenty of other things he can do. But senior coaching is a privileged position that I think he should no longer be eligible for.
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I'm adorable! Lol. It's Olly's world now!
I don't think Beach is basing his decision on what is ethical or not, it was more about forgiveness, which takes a lot of courage to do.
Just saying!
May 10, 2025Updated May 11
SUNRISE, Fla. — You can take Brad Marchand out of Boston, but you can’t take him out of the nightmares of Leafs Nation.
Marchand has been toying with and torturing the franchise for more than a decade, and Friday, he saw the Toronto Maple Leafs come within a shot of their biggest victory in a quarter century before snatching it away from them.
In the process, Marchand effectively applied the defibrillator to the Florida Panthers’ season. He kept their hopes alive in this second-round series by capping a long overtime shift where the Leafs got put into the spin cycle. First he swooped across the offensive zone and then he changed the angle of his shot just enough to send the puck safely through the first wave of traffic, before it bounced off Morgan Rielly and floated past Joseph Woll.
“You could tell they were tired,” Marchand said after the 5-4 victory. “They were just kind of sitting back. They’re normally very aggressive and they were collapsed pretty low. In overtime, there’s not a bad shot you can put at the net. Obviously, it was a fortuitous bounce, but that’s what happens when you put pucks at the net.”
Incredibly, Marchand now has 33 points in 31 career playoff games against Toronto — third-most in history among the franchise’s opponents behind Detroit Red Wings legends Alex Delvecchio (35) and Gordie Howe (53).
He’s turning the clock back to 2013 or 2018 or 2019.
Or even 2024.
The Leafs were on the wrong side of the handshake line with Marchand in each of those springs and will look back upon Game 3 ruefully if it happens again this time. The oldest player in this series has been a puck-hounding menace. He’s ripping along at a 78 percent expected goals mark at even strength that has seen the Panthers outscore the opposition 5-2 during his minutes on the ice.
“He brings so much life to our team,” teammate Carter Verhaeghe said.
Panthers captain Aleksander Barkov went so far as to say that he used to “hate” playing against Marchand. The Leafs know that feeling well.
“Now that he’s on our side, it’s just, I don’t want to say relief, but it’s really fun to watch,” Barkov said.
There certainly isn’t any sense of buyer’s remorse over the stunning March 7 trade that brought him to South Florida after 16 seasons with the Bruins. Remember that there was no telling how that might go with Marchand joining a new team for the first time in his NHL career — while recovering from an injury that delayed his Panthers debut by another three weeks.
However, the veteran forward didn’t tiptoe into the dressing room of the defending Stanley Cup champions. He strutted right through the front door and made himself at home.
“His personality is so unique,” general manager Bill Zito said. “He’s himself. He is who he is all the time and for us it’s a perfect fit.”
“He came in guns blazing,” added Evan Rodrigues, who has taken to playfully firing a rubber rat at Marchand on the ice after home victories. “There was no feeling-out period. There was no kind of working his way in. He was here, and he was here to stay, and he knew it. He came in hot.”
There are still occasional reminders about how new this all is, too.
When reporters were let into the Panthers dressing room after Friday’s win, Marchand was still wearing half of his equipment and standing at the front of the room with Barkov.
They were huddled around the whiteboard and Marchand was running through the finer points of an on-ice sequence with enthusiasm. Effectively, he was instructing Barkov where to go in a specific circumstance. Yes, the same Barkov who serves as team captain and is a four-time nominee for the Selke Trophy.
Marchand commands so much respect that he lends experience and brings credibility even while playing alongside teammates who have a chance to reach the Stanley Cup Final for a third straight year.
Should Florida come back from 2-1 down in this series and knock off the Leafs, the conditional second-round pick they sent to Boston for Marchand will upgrade to a 2027 first-rounder. It will have been worth it. He’s produced a team-leading four points and has become a matchup conundrum for Toronto because of the offensive creativity he’s brought to a defensively minded line with Anton Lundell and Eetu Luostarinen.
Plus, the Panthers might have found themselves in a dire 0-3 hole were it not for Marchand’s heroics in Game 3.
“He’s a competitor,” Leafs defenceman Brandon Carlo, a former Bruins teammate of Marchand and close friend, said. “Once he gets out onto the ice, there’s no really saying what he’s going to do besides compete as hard as he can.”
At one point, that even included licking Leo Komarov during a heated series against the Leafs.
Brad Marchand and Mitch Marner in the handshake line after the Bruins’ Game 7 win in 2024. (Steve Babineau / NHLI via Getty Images)
Marchand has largely kept himself on the right side of the line this time around, although he knocked Woll to the ice in Game 2 and exchanged plenty of words with Scott Laughton afterward. He also got into a jawing match with Max Domi and others on the Toronto bench when Florida fell behind early in Game 3.
Most important of all, he froze the clock at the end of the night with his 14th career game-winning goal in the playoffs — most among active NHL players — and the fifth game-winner he’s potted against the Leafs during his career in the postseason, tied with Jean Beliveau for the most ever.
“It’s a blur,” Marchand said of his fourth career playoff overtime goal. “Honestly, it all happens very quickly and you’re exhausted at that point of the game. It’s one second of a game. It could be anybody.”
In theory, that’s true.
But when it’s the Leafs and it’s the playoffs, it’s usually him.
SUNRISE, Fla. — You can take Brad Marchand out of Boston, but you can’t take him out of the nightmares of Leafs Nation.
Marchand has been toying with and torturing the franchise for more than a decade, and Friday, he saw the Toronto Maple Leafs come within a shot of their biggest victory in a quarter century before snatching it away from them.
In the process, Marchand effectively applied the defibrillator to the Florida Panthers’ season. He kept their hopes alive in this second-round series by capping a long overtime shift where the Leafs got put into the spin cycle. First he swooped across the offensive zone and then he changed the angle of his shot just enough to send the puck safely through the first wave of traffic, before it bounced off Morgan Rielly and floated past Joseph Woll.
“You could tell they were tired,” Marchand said after the 5-4 victory. “They were just kind of sitting back. They’re normally very aggressive and they were collapsed pretty low. In overtime, there’s not a bad shot you can put at the net. Obviously, it was a fortuitous bounce, but that’s what happens when you put pucks at the net.”
Incredibly, Marchand now has 33 points in 31 career playoff games against Toronto — third-most in history among the franchise’s opponents behind Detroit Red Wings legends Alex Delvecchio (35) and Gordie Howe (53).
He’s turning the clock back to 2013 or 2018 or 2019.
Or even 2024.
The Leafs were on the wrong side of the handshake line with Marchand in each of those springs and will look back upon Game 3 ruefully if it happens again this time. The oldest player in this series has been a puck-hounding menace. He’s ripping along at a 78 percent expected goals mark at even strength that has seen the Panthers outscore the opposition 5-2 during his minutes on the ice.
“He brings so much life to our team,” teammate Carter Verhaeghe said.
Panthers captain Aleksander Barkov went so far as to say that he used to “hate” playing against Marchand. The Leafs know that feeling well.
“Now that he’s on our side, it’s just, I don’t want to say relief, but it’s really fun to watch,” Barkov said.
There certainly isn’t any sense of buyer’s remorse over the stunning March 7 trade that brought him to South Florida after 16 seasons with the Bruins. Remember that there was no telling how that might go with Marchand joining a new team for the first time in his NHL career — while recovering from an injury that delayed his Panthers debut by another three weeks.
However, the veteran forward didn’t tiptoe into the dressing room of the defending Stanley Cup champions. He strutted right through the front door and made himself at home.
“His personality is so unique,” general manager Bill Zito said. “He’s himself. He is who he is all the time and for us it’s a perfect fit.”
“He came in guns blazing,” added Evan Rodrigues, who has taken to playfully firing a rubber rat at Marchand on the ice after home victories. “There was no feeling-out period. There was no kind of working his way in. He was here, and he was here to stay, and he knew it. He came in hot.”
There are still occasional reminders about how new this all is, too.
When reporters were let into the Panthers dressing room after Friday’s win, Marchand was still wearing half of his equipment and standing at the front of the room with Barkov.
They were huddled around the whiteboard and Marchand was running through the finer points of an on-ice sequence with enthusiasm. Effectively, he was instructing Barkov where to go in a specific circumstance. Yes, the same Barkov who serves as team captain and is a four-time nominee for the Selke Trophy.
Marchand commands so much respect that he lends experience and brings credibility even while playing alongside teammates who have a chance to reach the Stanley Cup Final for a third straight year.
Should Florida come back from 2-1 down in this series and knock off the Leafs, the conditional second-round pick they sent to Boston for Marchand will upgrade to a 2027 first-rounder. It will have been worth it. He’s produced a team-leading four points and has become a matchup conundrum for Toronto because of the offensive creativity he’s brought to a defensively minded line with Anton Lundell and Eetu Luostarinen.
Plus, the Panthers might have found themselves in a dire 0-3 hole were it not for Marchand’s heroics in Game 3.
“He’s a competitor,” Leafs defenceman Brandon Carlo, a former Bruins teammate of Marchand and close friend, said. “Once he gets out onto the ice, there’s no really saying what he’s going to do besides compete as hard as he can.”
At one point, that even included licking Leo Komarov during a heated series against the Leafs.
Brad Marchand and Mitch Marner in the handshake line after the Bruins’ Game 7 win in 2024. (Steve Babineau / NHLI via Getty Images)
Marchand has largely kept himself on the right side of the line this time around, although he knocked Woll to the ice in Game 2 and exchanged plenty of words with Scott Laughton afterward. He also got into a jawing match with Max Domi and others on the Toronto bench when Florida fell behind early in Game 3.
Most important of all, he froze the clock at the end of the night with his 14th career game-winning goal in the playoffs — most among active NHL players — and the fifth game-winner he’s potted against the Leafs during his career in the postseason, tied with Jean Beliveau for the most ever.
“It’s a blur,” Marchand said of his fourth career playoff overtime goal. “Honestly, it all happens very quickly and you’re exhausted at that point of the game. It’s one second of a game. It could be anybody.”
In theory, that’s true.
But when it’s the Leafs and it’s the playoffs, it’s usually him.
I apologize in advance for this, but it has been in my head while reading the discussion. If it walks like a Duck, looks like a Duck and quacks like a Duck.....
I hate it, it reeks and I would not want him anywhere near my team. Plain and simple. He has no morals and it makes me sick. You see the true character of people in situations like this, he chose not to do the right thing because of what he personally wanted. Screw him, I hope he never gets close to ever winning a Cup again.
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Interesting. I did not know that. Good for Anaheim, I guess. Better for Beach.
Be nice to see Quenneville definitively say "I am honored to have an opportunity to do what I love again. However I do want to say that in the past I put the goal of winning a Cup ahead of the very real needs of a young man who was in trouble and for whom I was responsible. That's between Kyle and myself so I won't go further. But it is something I will always regret."
No bullshit, no excuses, no spin. I fell down when I needed to stand strong. Humans fail, I failed, and I understand the consequences.
To be fair to Q, he has said some things along those lines following the Ducks' announcement:
"I fully understand and accept those who question my return to the league," Quenneville said. "I know words aren't enough. I will demonstrate (by) my actions that I am a man of character."
"I own my mistakes," Quenneville said, occasionally pausing in his delivery of a written statement. "While I believed wholeheartedly the issue was handled by management, I take full responsibility for not following up and asking more questions. That's entirely on me. Over nearly four years, I've taken time to reflect, to listen to experts and advocates, and educate myself on the realities of abuse, trauma and how to be a better leader. I hope others can learn from my inaction."
Quenneville said he understands just how badly his reputation and career were damaged by his role in the Blackhawks' handling of the accusations against Aldrich. He remained out of hockey for another season after his ban ended, but became increasingly eager to continue his career last winter while watching games every night and staying closely informed on the league.
"I thought I had some work to do in growing as a person," Quenneville said. "As far as doing work along the way, I felt I had progressed to an area where the education I had put me in a position where I know I can share some of these lessons and these experiences as well."
Many people with a firsthand knowledge of Quenneville's attempts to change himself supported his desire to return. Quenneville said he has spoken to Beach several times recently, including Thursday morning.
https://www.espn.com.au/nhl/story/_/id/45059399/joel-quenneville-show-man-character-ducks
So I appreciate that. He's at least making an effort here. A lot of his former players do speak highly of him. End of the day, whether you agree with the appointment or not, it's been made and it's on Joel now to make the most of it, be a model coach and back up his words with actions. In that sense one can only hope he succeeds.
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It is good to read that he's putting in the work and that he's owned his part in what went down. I applaud Beach for forgiving Q. It takes incredible strength to do so. That said, I wouldn't have let him back in hockey and I am very happy that he was not hired by the Bruins.
I truly hope the Ducks players and staff feel comfortable with him running the team.
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It sounds like you're saying Beach doesn't get to decide what's ethical, but you do. You're the one who's saying Quenneville doesn't deserve to coach. That's an ethical judgement.
Honestly, I don't know if he does or doesn't (deserve to coach). I haven't followed the case closely enough to know what constitutes the "good evidence" you mentioned. I know the NHL investigated him and cleared him, and Anaheim asked Beach, and he cleared him. So who am I (who are we) to say he doesn't deserve this chance?
He was not cleared by the NHL at all. In fact, an independent investigation showed he decided not to take action until after the Cup Finals. Per Wikipedia, citing Blackhawks’ Stan Bowman resigns in overhaul over sexual-assault cover-up,
"On October 26, 2021, an independent investigation into how the Blackhawks responded to claims that former video coach Brad Aldrich sexually assaulted prospect Kyle Beach during the 2010 Stanley Cup playoffs revealed that Quenneville, as well as several members of the Blackhawks' senior leadership team, opted to defer any action on Aldrich until after the Stanley Cup Finals.
According to the report, Quenneville was particularly concerned about causing a distraction before the Finals. Three weeks after the allegations were raised, Aldrich was forced to resign by HR and Legal after opting not to comply with their investigation and subsequently pleaded guilty to assaulting a player at a Michigan high school where he was a volunteer coach"
No, all I'm saying is that in my personal opinion it's unethical. What's ultimately ethical or not is decided by societal consensus, not by any individual be it me, you, Beach, Bettman or anyone else.
Here, it's debatable. And all I'm doing is giving my take on it. The Ducks think differently, so be it.
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I’m with you.
Doesn’t mean he should never be allowed to leave his house or order a pizza… But coaching in the NHL? There are countless other things that he can be doing. Would prefer a league without him in it.
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