NHL 2024- 2025 Out of Town II: JT Miller to Rangers

[22Brad Park]

Hawks score 7 seconds in vs Panthers but trailing 3-1 after 2

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Insanity why?
He did a hell of a job with the jackets . A small market team who had to bld through the draft.

He did?

Ten years with the Jackets and he made it out of the first round once, past the second round zero times, and DNQ five times.

If you think that’s a hell of a job, then you must be head over heels in love with Don Sweeney and his success in Boston.

 

[22Brad Park]

He did?

Ten years with the Jackets and he made it out of the first round once, past the second round zero times, and DNQ five times.

If you think that’s a hell of a job, then you must be head over heels in love with Don Sweeney and his success in Boston.

Might have learned from his time there though.The NHL is a boys club where regurgitation occurs alot.He will resurface eventually somewhere.I think it's all moot though anyways,because JJ is not firing anyone.

 

[Gee Wally]

 

[TCB]

He did?

Ten years with the Jackets and he made it out of the first round once, past the second round zero times, and DNQ five times.

If you think that’s a hell of a job, then you must be head over heels in love with Don Sweeney and his success in Boston.

It’s Columbus, no free agents are lining up to go there with the exception of Gaudreau, I’m sure they’re on the majority of every players no trade list. He had to bld through the draft and that takes time. The jackets still managed to be very competitive during his tenure posting a 410-362-97.

 

[BostonBob]

NP
It’s hard at times through written messages/texts without using a million emoji’s

I have no idea what you are talking about and it's making me angry.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

It’s Columbus, no free agents are lining up to go there with the exception of Gaudreau, I’m sure they’re on the majority of every players no trade list. He had to bld through the draft and that takes time. The jackets still managed to be very competitive during his tenure posting a 410-362-97.

Now post Sweeney’s record in that time.

We’re on pace to miss the playoffs this year. Now imagine if they had missed the previous three years, were in last place last season and pacing for last again this year.

Would you be saying “that guy is doing a hell of a job”?

 

[TCB]

I have no idea what you are talking about and it's making me angry.

seems to be the norm with U.

 

[TCB]

Now post Sweeney’s record in that time.

We’re on pace to miss the playoffs this year. Now imagine if they had missed the previous three years, were in last place last season and pacing for last again this year.

Would you be saying “that guy is doing a hell of a job”?

 

[Gee Wally]

MSN

Expect more Pittsburgh Penguins trades over the next few months, but the types of trades might be surprising.

More veterans are likely to be moved. Penguins general manager Kyle Dubas admitted a few things in his mid-season press conference, including his coming strategy to acquire more young players.

Dubas spoke at the Penguins practice facility in Cranberry Saturday morning following the Penguins’ late-night trade that sent Marcus Pettersson and Drew O’Connor to the Vancouver Canucks in exchange for the Rangers’ first-round pick the Canucks acquired earlier Friday, former Penguins winger Danton Heinen and hulking defenseman Vincent Desharnais.

Cutting to the larger questions of trades, more trades, and how he will make more trades, Dubas candidly admitted what you might see next. It isn’t a mass exodus of veterans but spending the acquired draft capital on young players.

Dubas may very well spend his gains to shortcut the retooling process. He indirectly cited the Minnesota Wild’s massive trade pay for Columbus Blue Jackets prospect defenseman David Jiricek, among other conversations.

“We want to operate as urgently as we can to return the team (to contender status). We don’t want to buy patience or say it’s an X amount of years plan,” said Dubas. “Our goal is to try to acquire the assets that we’ve laid out and then either develop those draft picks into players that can help the team quickly–but not expedited to hinder their development–or use those assets to be in the mix when players that can make an impact are present (on the trade market) and can help us.”


Now, Dubas envisions joining the other GMs on that playground.

“I think previously, and even this season, it’s been tough to get into those conversations because we haven’t had that level of assets when a really good young player comes available,” said Dubas. “Now, having multiple first-round picks and seeing these younger players start to develop gets us more and more into that mix. And so we just have to keep moving down that path.

The Penguins have 29 picks over the next three NHL Drafts, including four first-rounders and 15 picks in the first three rounds, the most of any NHL team.

While the team clings to hope, Dubas is marching forward to “urgently” return the team to contender status through the acquisition of younger players who will form the team’s new nucleus well into the future. The Penguins got some good news Friday when the NHL announced the coming salary cap spikes over the next three years, as the cap will rise to $113 million.

“There now seems to be a greater uptick in discussions or interest in players with term on their contracts–especially because as the cap goes up, the value of those contracts will improve in the eyes of the league relative to the cap (hit),” Dubas said. “We’re not in a mass rush to go down that path with any of our guys. But the number of calls and interest has certainly increased and did so yesterday after that (salary cap) announcement.”


Some of the veterans with contract term who could be on the trade block include Rickard Rakell and Erik Karlsson. Perhaps after July 1, when his no-trade protection expires, Bryan Rust could become a candidate, though he emphatically told Pittsburgh Hockey Now that he is committed to the Penguins for the long haul.

Of course, Karlsson may be a different matter. In an exclusive conversation with PHN, Karlsson expressed his commitment to making the playoffs with the Penguins, but “the door is open” to future trade discussions, and his future is “up in the air

“I think what we would like to do with the players from Wilkes is continue–They’ve really built a strong thing down there in terms of their performance night in and night out. I like the way that they respond when things don’t go well,” Dubas said. “(The team) has been really pushed, especially of late, by the younger players that we’ve brought in here via the draft, have acquired, or were here before that have really come on.

“I think what we want to do with those players is–when they earn the opportunity to come up and not just play for a weekend, but play for a prolonged stretch–once they earn it, we’re not going to deny them that opportunity.”

As Dubas reaches the end of his second year at the head of the Penguins hockey operations, there is a distinct change from his first couple of months. There seems to be a more assured direction, perhaps born of his own convictions to turn around the franchise rather than following the directive to win immediately one more time.


More teams are interested, Dubas has more assets to spend, and there is a lot more intrigue than 24 hours ago. The next six months could be entirely transformative for the organization, but with the pending free agents already traded, Dubas expressed urgency but also rejected a timeline.

“We are in no rush (with our veterans).”

In other words, no discounts and certainly no firesales.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

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If you were being sarcastic, then I admit it did.

If you weren’t… I can’t help ya.

 

[22Brad Park]

Heinen back to Pitt..

Busy Canucks acquire Pens' Pettersson, O'Connor

Hours after trading away J.T. Miller, the Canucks acquired defenseman Marcus Pettersson and forward Drew O'Connor from the Penguins.

www.espn.com

 

[Tbaybruin]

How about. Edmonton Savoie,2026 first,cap dump for Freddie 1/2 retained and Carlo?

 

[LouJersey]

One thing to say there are two paths in front of them.

Quiet another to make the decision to rip the bandaid off and become sellers.

Crossing the Rubicon, so to speak.

I look at 12-4 the past two games and points percentage and it's getting late early. Unload and you can still make a push with what you have for the final two seeds. Today they will prob win 5-2 or something and we all can pretend they aren't as bad as all the numbers say they are .

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Disagree on Coyle. With the cap going up and only for 1 more year he’s very marketable. Granted it’s a down year, but he can play center or wing, kills penalties, is decent on the draw and is a solid teammate.

Guys like that are valued.

I do like Peake too, but he’s not going to be the difference between success and failure, so if someone wants to overpay for him, I’d do it.

Coyle would be a fourth liner on a cup contender, no one is paying 5m plus for that

 

[jmon1313]

Coyle would be a fourth liner on a cup contender, no one is paying 5m plus for thatc

Come on, he's clearly a good/solid at worst 3rd line C.

No need to be over the top on how bad guys are.

And I say this as someone who wants him moved and has never been a big fan of his playstyle.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Come on, he's clearly a good/solid at worst 3rd line C.

No need to be over the top on how bad guys are.

And I say this as someone who wants him moved and has never been a big fan of his playstyle.

You think he would be playing up on a cup contender ? Good solid players are fourth liners on toes teams. Don't be foolish in thinking otherwise

 

[jmon1313]

You think he would be playing up on a cup contender ? Good solid players are fourth liners on toes teams. Don't be foolish in thinking otherwise

He was an absolutely dominate third line center in the 2019 cup run, so yes.

 

[sarge88]

Coyle would be a fourth liner on a cup contender, no one is paying 5m plus for that

This year notwithstanding, as almost the whole team has underachieved, but if Coyle is a regular third liner on a team, that team is well above average, as we have seen in his time here.

They didn’t reach over 100 points with him playing third and sometimes second line minutes in spite of him. In his full seasons here they’ve had seasons with: 107, 100, 73 (Covid), 135, and 109 points.
He’s had a big role in their success.

He isn’t perfect, but he’s valuable and versatile.

 

[HustleB]

Honestly I thought the return was sort of light. I'm not a Chytil fan, not so much his play or his production which is decent but very injury prone. I just don't think you can count on this player for 80+ games per season, not much help in the pressbox injured.

Can't say I've ever seen Mancini play but seems like the consensus is he's a physical 3rd pair D-man moving forward. The 1st is the biggest piece IMO but also protected this year.

Compared to Poitras, Lohrei and a B's 1st that would of been a massive overpayment for me and a significantly bigger package than what the Rangers gave up. Call the 1st a wash, Bruins giving up their best young C (arguably best young forward) AND their best young D man and one of the better young offensive D-men in the league. That's rich in comparison, at least in my opinion.

It's hard to put together a comparable package from Boston. The closest forward to Chytil is probably Frederic but Chytil is under contract 2 more years past this one, Frederic is a UFA. Finding a D that you could sub-in for Mancini would be tough. Between Lohrei and the next best D-prospect, there is a huge gap and I don't see any Bruins prospect D in between that gap comparable to Mancini. Who is the 2nd best D-prospect in the Bruins system? Groenwald? Edward? Brunet? Johansson? I have no idea. None of them currently have Mancini's value IMO.

Thank you for the perspective. It sounds like in this scenario we could downgrade both the forward and the defenseman. Maybe closer to Callahan/Wotherspoon/Oesterle and Merkulov/Lysell.

 

[BruinDust]

Thank you for the perspective. It sounds like in this scenario we could downgrade both the forward and the defenseman. Maybe closer to Callahan/Wotherspoon/Oesterle and Merkulov/Lysell.

Lysell would be a closer in value to Chytil. The D-man I still don't see a fit. Wotherspoon and Callahan are both UFAs. Oesterle a career journeyman.

It's a reflection on how weak Boston's D-man prospect pool is. Maybe the Canucks would of liked Groenewald or Loke Johansson or Jackson Edward but hard to say.