Prospect Info: 2024-2025 Ottawa Senators In the system

[The Devilish Buffoon]

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A clear reference to the Jakub Klepis selection…

 

[OD99]

? Are any of these guys going to be contributors in the NHL

I think we have to really hope so.

At least Moore and Montgomery have the size to play a variety of roles, but with our current pool we need someone to shine and profile points.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

People said the same about Ryan Ellis throughout his junior career.

His elite offensive ability in junior didn't end up translating due to not being able to skate worth a damn, but developed into an excellent two-way D because of his high-end IQ.

Parekh should be fine defensively, and his offensive ability looks Karlsson-esque. Just unreal combination of smarts, skill and shooting ability from the blueline.

Taking an older (and yet) worse offensive RD over him just because of size and toughness is just classic Sens. Took Cowen over Ellis back in 2009 too.

Our scouting staff needs to be fired into the sun.

I think it's way too early to be calling it like this. Yakemchuk is a player with a ton of variety in his skillset. He's a very rare player that can shoot, can pass, has wicked hands, but is also has the frame to be a dominant physical presence as well. Parekh is much more one-dimensional in comparison, he's all about his game with the puck in the offensive zone. He's got a lot less to refine and work on compared to Yakemchuk, who was called a very raw player by just about every scout leading into the draft.

You don't draft players based on how well they do in juniors. You draft based on what you think they have the potential to be in the NHL. Development isn't linear, and it won't be a surprise if Yakemchuk takes a bit longer to become an impact player, considering he's going to be a player that will be able to contribute in every area of the game unlike Parekh who is essentially a glass cannon.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I think it's way too early to be calling it like this. Yakemchuk is a player with a ton of variety in his skillset. He's a very rare player that can shoot, can pass, has wicked hands, but is also has the frame to be a dominant physical presence as well. Parekh is much more one-dimensional in comparison, he's all about his game with the puck in the offensive zone. He's got a lot less to refine and work on compared to Yakemchuk, who was called a very raw player by just about every scout leading into the draft.

You don't draft players based on how well they do in juniors. You draft based on what you think they have the potential to be in the NHL. Development isn't linear, and it won't be a surprise if Yakemchuk takes a bit longer to become an impact player, considering he's going to be a player that will be able to contribute in every area of the game unlike Parekh who is essentially a glass cannon

I don't disagree with you about most of what you have said about Yakemchuk, but I don't think his passing ability is a major strength. He's got a good breakout pass but his vision in the offensive zone isn't high-end, which is why he's never put up significant assist totals. When he the puck comes to him his focus is trying to get the puck on net and he often misses the subtle passing play that would extend possession and put a teammate in a better scoring position. In short, he's definitely more of a goal scorer from the blueline, while Parekh actually has a lot more variety to his skillset IMO.

Parekh has a very strong and extremely accurate wrist shot, but his vision and playmaking ability in the offensive zone is also elite. He's Karlsson-esque in the offensive zone, whereas Yakemchuk is more like Burns/Byfuglien, or at least he's somewhat similar but lacking the high-end skating those guys had, which helped them develop into elite level goal scorers.

You don't draft players solely based on how well they do in juniors, but it's extremely obvious that production matters. Yakemchuk has similar quality hands and a harder shot than Parekh, so why is he producing so much less despite being a season ahead in development? Some excuses are valid for the gap in production, but most of the difference is hockey IQ. Parekh is an extremely smart hockey player with the puck on his stick, Yakemchuk isn't dumb but he just isn't in the same tier as a thinker.

You just can't handwave away the massive difference between a 1.65 PPG at 18 and a 0.98 PPG at 19 by saying junior production doesn't matter. It absolutely matters, as it's directly tied into the assumptions that should be made about a player's potential at higher levels, and it's very rare for non-elite junior producers to end up elite NHL producers.

 

[OD99]

I don't disagree with you about most of what you have said about Yakemchuk, but I don't think his passing ability is a major strength. He's got a good breakout pass but his vision in the offensive zone isn't high-end, which is why he's never put up significant assist totals. When he the puck comes to him his focus is trying to get the puck on net and he often misses the subtle passing play that would extend possession and put a teammate in a better scoring position. In short, he's definitely more of a goal scorer from the blueline, while Parekh actually has a lot more variety to his skillset IMO.

Parekh has a very strong and extremely accurate wrist shot, but his vision and playmaking ability in the offensive zone is also elite. He's Karlsson-esque in the offensive zone, whereas Yakemchuk is more like Burns/Byfuglien, or at least he's somewhat similar but lacking the high-end skating those guys had, which helped them develop into elite level goal scorers.

You don't draft players solely based on how well they do in juniors, but it's extremely obvious that production matters. Yakemchuk has similar quality hands and a harder shot than Parekh, so why is he producing so much less despite being a season ahead in development? Some excuses are valid for the gap in production, but most of the difference is hockey IQ. Parekh is an extremely smart hockey player with the puck on his stick, Yakemchuk isn't dumb but he just isn't in the same tier as a thinker.

You just can't handwave away the massive difference between a 1.65 PPG at 18 and a 0.98 PPG at 19 by saying junior production doesn't matter. It absolutely matters, as it's directly tied into the assumptions that should be made about a player's potential at higher levels, and it's very rare for non-elite junior producers to end up elite NHL producers.

All of this is true and I haven't seen them play enough to get into the details of their games.

I like what I have seen of Yak, and I especially like his size and physical nature.

The fact he has a cannon from the point is a big plus.

IMO we need size and stability on the bluline and if he could partner with Chabot for a while, we should see them produce enough points.

Let's see how they make the transition. It's my personality, but no use already coveting what we don't have when we dont know what we do have.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

It absolutely matters, as it's directly tied into the assumptions that should be made about a player's potential at higher levels, and it's very rare for non-elite junior producers to end up elite NHL producers.

Yakemchuk is 3rd in the WHL in pt/g amongst U20D and 5th overall, and was 4th and 6th in the league last season.

So can you argue that Parekh has offensive potential that puts him in the 80-100 pt stratosphere, and Yakemchuk doesn't? Sure, and I dont disagree with that. But I don't think there is anything about Yakemchuk's production that suggests he can't be an elite producer in the NHL.

 

[BondraTime]

All of this is true and I haven't seen them play enough to get into the details of their games.

I like what I have seen of Yak, and I especially like his size and physical nature.

The fact he has a cannon from the point is a big plus.

IMO we need size and stability on the bluline and if he could partner with Chabot for a while, we should see them produce enough points.

Let's see how they make the transition. It's my personality, but no use already coveting what we don't have when we dont know what we do have.

He brings size, but definitely isn't known for stability

 

[Hale The Villain]

Yakemchuk is 3rd in the WHL in pt/g amongst U20D and 5th overall, and was 4th and 6th in the league last season.

So can you argue that Parekh has offensive potential that puts him in the 80-100 pt stratosphere, and Yakemchuk doesn't? Sure, and I dont disagree with that. But I don't think there is anything about Yakemchuk's production that suggests he can't be an elite producer in the NHL.

Yakemchuk's 19 year old season PPG is around the 70th highest since the lockout from non-overaged D in the WHL: Elite Prospects - WHL Stats All-time season

Parekh's production this year is only behind Ellis and Clarke for OHLers (and the CHL as a whole), and both of them were a season ahead of Parekh in development: Elite Prospects - OHL Stats All-time season

Dickinson is also having an incredible season offensively and isn't too far off from Parekh with 69 points in 44 games.

Yakemchuk's numbers aren't bad, but they don't suggest elite producer at the NHL level. Doesn't mean it can't happen, just that it's unlikely.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Yakemchuk's 19 year old season PPG is around the 70th highest since the lockout from non-overaged D in the WHL: Elite Prospects - WHL Stats All-time season

Parekh's production this year is only behind Ellis and Clarke for OHLers (and the CHL as a whole), and both of them were a season ahead of Parekh in development: Elite Prospects - OHL Stats All-time season

Dickinson is also having an incredible season offensively and isn't too far off from Parekh with 69 points in 44 games.

Yakemchuk's numbers aren't bad, but they don't suggest elite producer at the NHL level. Doesn't mean it can't happen, just that it's unlikely.

Quite truthfully, Yake's size means it's more projectable.

We are not going to totally ignore the pre-season where he was our best player and was making absolutely insane moves.

I don't see elite numbers, I see Byfuglien type impact.

 

[OD99]

He brings size, but definitely isn't known for stability

Fair enough.

I mean in general. If we can get him a good partner, he can learn to play better D. Or that should be the plan!

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Yakemchuk's 19 year old season PPG is around the 70th highest since the lockout from non-overaged D in the WHL: Elite Prospects - WHL Stats All-time season

Parekh's production this year is only behind Ellis and Clarke for OHLers (and the CHL as a whole), and both of them were a season ahead of Parekh in development: Elite Prospects - OHL Stats All-time season

Dickinson is also having an incredible season offensively and isn't too far off from Parekh with 69 points in 44 games.

Yakemchuk's numbers aren't bad, but they don't suggest elite producer at the NHL level. Doesn't mean it can't happen, just that it's unlikely.

No one is arguing that Parekh’s numbers are not far more impressive, but unless you’re arguing that 80+ points is elite and 60+ is not (which is not a discussion I really care to engage with), the single out-of-context stat you cited doesnt support your conclusion in any meaningful way.

His PPG is comparable to Green’s, comparable to Theodore’s, better than Reilly’s and Byfuglien’s, moderately lower than Morrissey’s… AKA the top five offensive dmen drafted in the last 20 years from the W.

 

[GCK]

I don't disagree with you about most of what you have said about Yakemchuk, but I don't think his passing ability is a major strength. He's got a good breakout pass but his vision in the offensive zone isn't high-end, which is why he's never put up significant assist totals. When he the puck comes to him his focus is trying to get the puck on net and he often misses the subtle passing play that would extend possession and put a teammate in a better scoring position. In short, he's definitely more of a goal scorer from the blueline, while Parekh actually has a lot more variety to his skillset IMO.

Parekh has a very strong and extremely accurate wrist shot, but his vision and playmaking ability in the offensive zone is also elite. He's Karlsson-esque in the offensive zone, whereas Yakemchuk is more like Burns/Byfuglien, or at least he's somewhat similar but lacking the high-end skating those guys had, which helped them develop into elite level goal scorers.

You don't draft players solely based on how well they do in juniors, but it's extremely obvious that production matters. Yakemchuk has similar quality hands and a harder shot than Parekh, so why is he producing so much less despite being a season ahead in development? Some excuses are valid for the gap in production, but most of the difference is hockey IQ. Parekh is an extremely smart hockey player with the puck on his stick, Yakemchuk isn't dumb but he just isn't in the same tier as a thinker.

You just can't handwave away the massive difference between a 1.65 PPG at 18 and a 0.98 PPG at 19 by saying junior production doesn't matter. It absolutely matters, as it's directly tied into the assumptions that should be made about a player's potential at higher levels, and it's very rare for non-elite junior producers to end up elite NHL producers.

I don’t care Yak’s production this season. I saw what he is capable of during the preseason and a player doesn’t show that without massive talent and potential.

 

[Oscar The Grouch]

I don’t care Yak’s production this season. I saw what he is capable of during the preseason and a player doesn’t show that without massive talent and potential.

So if he put up 20 pts in junior this season, you wouldn't care?

 

[aragorn]

So if he put up 20 pts in junior this season, you wouldn't care?

Points aren't everything & it's much more important that he develop into a defenceman who can play in all situations & be relied upon in all situations. The pts will come because he has the offensive potential to put up pts & it's much more important that he learn to play the game the right way.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

So if he put up 20 pts in junior this season, you wouldn't care?

PLaying Devil's Advocate, but it seems like every single player traded to the Hitmen have had their production suffer. Literally it's just Kindel and Tulk doing the heavy lifting on offense. Yak is still 3rd in PPG (And only one of three players on the entire team that has at least 1 point per game) on the entire team despite his offensive struggles. With all this info, I think it's logical to conclude some sort of usage and system plays a role in what's going on?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[Hale The Villain]

No one is arguing that Parekh’s numbers are not far more impressive, but unless you’re arguing that 80+ points is elite and 60+ is not (which is not a discussion I really care to engage with), the single out-of-context stat you cited doesnt support your conclusion in any meaningful way.

His PPG is comparable to Green’s, comparable to Theodore’s, better than Reilly’s and Byfuglien’s, moderately lower than Morrissey’s… AKA the top five offensive dmen drafted in the last 20 years from the W.

No idea what you are talking about with the 80/60 stuff, but comparing Yakemchuk's production based on what other 19YR old defenseman have done at the WHL (and CHL) level is hardly out of context.

It is also worth pointing out the players you have listed all played in the WHL at least a decade earlier than Yakemchuk, which skews the numbers. The production for offensive defenseman has jumped significantly in recent years for a variety of reasons, which I can go into, but ultimately a PPG from the blueline doesn't mean as much as it once did.

There's no question his production is disappointing. Both from a historical perspective and also compared to the alternatives we passed on at the draft (Parekh, Dickinson, Buium).

 

[Hale The Villain]

I don’t care Yak’s production this season. I saw what he is capable of during the preseason and a player doesn’t show that without massive talent and potential.

I'm hopeful that was a sign of things to come and not a flash in the pan.

But small sample sizes can be misleading. Sens fans should know that after the Bochenski and Hamburglar experiences.

 

[GCK]

I'm hopeful that was a sign of things to come and not a flash in the pan.

But small sample sizes can be misleading. Sens fans should know that after the Bochenski and Hamburglar experiences.

Big difference between Bochenski at 23 and Yak at 19. Yak showed poise both defensively and offensively which was a big concern when drafted. No worries from me.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Big difference between Bochenski at 23 and Yak at 19. Yak showed poise both defensively and offensively which was a big concern when drafted. No worries from me.

Not to mention Bochenski is a winger at an age where you should be doing well. Plus it's not even like Bochenski was bad, he just wasn't good.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Big difference between Bochenski at 23 and Yak at 19. Yak showed poise both defensively and offensively which was a big concern when drafted. No worries from me.

Have to see how he does in the AHL next year for a long stretch.. His play in the preseason was encouraging.. It concerns me his offense did not carry over.
Defensively he was not really tested in that sample size imo. More time more situations more development we will see what we have. I think it will be good but we see the emo defensiveness of Sens when any questions are posed about what he is doing this year in his 19 y/o season,,, We should be getting some highlight reel games where he is the man taking over the game.. we don't see it.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Big difference between Bochenski at 23 and Yak at 19. Yak showed poise both defensively and offensively which was a big concern when drafted. No worries from me.

The point is that small sample sizes and pre-season performances can be misleading.

Definitely should put more weight on performance over full seasons.

 

[BondraTime]

Calgary are 5th in the league in goals for, and have some very open gameplay to go along with the most PP opportunites in the league by a sizable margin (last I checked)

No clue where this Calgary is holding people back offensively is coming from

I'm the opposite of most people here, I'm perfectly fine with his offense, albiet not much of a step forward. It's the rest of his game that's worrying me.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Calgary are 5th in the league in goals for, and have some very open gameplay to go along with the most PP opportunites in the league by a sizable margin (last I checked)

No clue where this Calgary is holding people back offensively is coming from

I'm the opposite of most people here, I'm perfectly fine with his offense, albiet not much of a step forward. It's the rest of his game that's worrying me.

any advanced stats you can share?

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Calgary are 5th in the league in goals for, and have some very open gameplay to go along with the most PP opportunites in the league by a sizable margin (last I checked)

No clue where this Calgary is holding people back offensively is coming from

I'm the opposite of most people here, I'm perfectly fine with his offense, albiet not much of a step forward. It's the rest of his game that's worrying me.

Calgary is 5th in the leagues in goals for, yet only 3 players on the team have at least a 1 PPG pace. There's definitely something about their system that's affecting every single new players stats and having Tulk and Kindel doing the heavy lifting offensively.