Prospect Info: 2024-2025 Ottawa Senators In the system

[Bileur]

I’ve never understood this kind of logic. How do you know they don’t think he can be more?

For context, some quotes in an article about him.

David Bell said “He loves to work, he’s a great kid, he’s got a great attitude, and I’m not worried. First year, big guy like that coming over here, his ceiling’s really, really high.”

And:

What makes the Senators’ Gabriel Eliasson, hockey’s meanest prospect, tick? His critics

In 36 games at Sweden's J20 level last year, Gabriel Eliasson had 103 penalty minutes. He also had plenty of NHL interest.

www.nytimes.com

Half of Hjalmarsson would be a home run.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

As opposed to the long term top pairing guy? I've never heard of that. At time of draft I think the slow cook prospects are generally viewed as lower ceiling players. That's not a knock I just can't think of how you can be really high potential, but 8 years out. Thats a daft oxymoron if you ask me.

Anyway, my point was who cares about the long term aspect.

Also a bit moot as it pertains to Eliasson seeing as he isn't projected as your average bottom pairing guy. If he hits there are some interesting intangibles and that's what he was drafted for. It was more boom or bust in that sense and sens fans have wanted that draft philosophy for a while after drafting conservatively under Murray and Dorion.

It was a second round pick which has about a 15% chance. This isn't a Boris Valabik situation.

Yeah boom or bust. With the boom being a very small boom.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Eliasson being compared to Hjalmarsson is insane.

He's legitimately one of the dumbest highly drafted players I have ever watched. Makes Cowen look like a genius in comparison.

If he has any path to the NHL as a defenseman it's probably as a Xhekaj-type bruiser, but that's only if he can develop a fighting ability and develop his game to the point where he's not a complete liability when he's on he ice (unlikely IMO).

It wouldn't shock me if he eventually transitions to forward to play a Rempe-type role where he just runs around the ice trying to throw big hits and intimidate guys.

Goes without saying that's not exactly an ideal upside from a high 2nd round pick, but I'm sure our scouts would be thrilled with that outcome knowing them.

 

[PlayOn]

Eliasson being compared to Hjalmarsson is insane.

He's legitimately one of the dumbest highly drafted players I have ever watched. Makes Cowen look like a genius in comparison.

If he has any path to the NHL as a defenseman it's probably as a Xhekaj-type bruiser, but that's only if he can develop a fighting ability and develop his game to the point where he's not a complete liability when he's on he ice (unlikely IMO).

It wouldn't shock me if he eventually transitions to forward to play a Rempe-type role where he just runs around the ice trying to throw big hits and intimidate guys.

Goes without saying that's not exactly an ideal upside from a high 2nd round pick, but I'm sure our scouts would be thrilled with that outcome knowing them.

I mean it was Hjalmarsson who made the comparison lol. And without seeing Eliasson play, I highly doubt he will ever touch him because Hjalmarsson was incredible - but the point was just because some here don’t see the upside to be anything but a bottom pairing guy, doesn’t mean the Sens took him thinking it’s not there.

But Staios did mention Xhekaj in the same piece.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

We needed a forward with our 2nd anyways, drafting our 785th bottom pair D wasn't the right choice.

 

[Xspyrit]

Eliasson being compared to Hjalmarsson is insane.

He's legitimately one of the dumbest highly drafted players I have ever watched. Makes Cowen look like a genius in comparison.

If he has any path to the NHL as a defenseman it's probably as a Xhekaj-type bruiser, but that's only if he can develop a fighting ability and develop his game to the point where he's not a complete liability when he's on he ice (unlikely IMO).

It wouldn't shock me if he eventually transitions to forward to play a Rempe-type role where he just runs around the ice trying to throw big hits and intimidate guys.

Goes without saying that's not exactly an ideal upside from a high 2nd round pick, but I'm sure our scouts would be thrilled with that outcome knowing them.

Yeah Xhekaj was becoming such a liability I think he was asked to simplify his game even if he was to become more quiet, less intimidating. Not a very good player but can Eliasson really reach that level? Cowen was a very highly touted prospect, he was dominating in Junior. I haven't read/heard anything similar regarding Eliasson. Although injuries played a big factor in Cowen's case, odds are not in Eliasson's favor to become better or even just as good.

I haven't been a fan of our drafting recently (but mainly 2021, 2022 and 2023)

These are the 2nd rounders we drafted when Murray was GM :

Patrick Wiercioch
Jakob Silfverberg
Robin Lehner
Shane Prince
Andreas Englund
Gabriel Gagne
Filip Chlapik

Only Gagne was a real bust and he was probably a prospect as good as Tyler Boucher, but was taken 36th OA, not 10th OA lol. All the other guys had a career or at least a good chance to become NHL regulars. I can't conclude about Eliasson yet but I don't know, not the type of prospect that gets me "hopeful"

This is the 2nd rounders we drafted since Dorion took over in 2016. Outside of Pinto who was the first pick of the 2nd round in 2019, it is a very underwhelming list. Formenton was pretty good at hockey though. Kleven looks like a decent 3rd pairing guy (but not convinced he'll be more, his advanced metrics are pretty bad, like Hamonic's territory). Jarventie could be something but injuries...

Gabriel Eliasson
Filip Nordberg
Zack Ostapchuk
Benjamin Roger
Roby Jarventie
Tyler Kleven
Egor Sokolov
Shane Pinto
Mads Sogaard
Jonny Tychonick
Alex Formenton
Jonathan Dahlen

 

[BondraTime]

I don't see the Eliasson/Hjalmarsson comparisson, but I'll be damned if I try and say I'd know better than Hjalmarsson himself.

I can only assume he means that they are similar as they are/were offensively inept guys who can make it to the league despite not having any offense as a junior. What I've seen from Eliasson thus far (2 games, very small sample size), I don't see much similarity in playstyle

Elaisson has almost as many PIMS in his past 70 games as Hjalmarsson had in his 820 game career

Eliasson can absloutey carve out a career in the NHL. I don't think the upside is very high, but a big physical guy who can move is always someone who can carve out a career on a bottom pair.

For him to become a guy who can be more than a bottom 6/pressbox, he needs to develop some offense like a Brandon Carlo/Radko Gudas did in the WHL, ~0.6 ppg in their 19 year old season

As of right now he has the lowest ppg in the entire CHL among NHL drafted players from 2022-2024, and funny enough one of the guys closest was taken a few picks before him in Chalrie Elick at 36th

The worst ppg in the entire CHL with guys over 20 games among drafted players are:
Eliasson 39th 2024 - 44gp 5 points
Dylan Mackinnon 83rd 2023 - 43gp 5 points
Basile Sansonnes 221st 2024 - 38 gp 7 points
Vojtech Port 161st 2023 - 38gp 8 points
Charlie Elick 36th 2024 - 47gp 10 points

In the OHL, the bottom are:
Stevie Leskovar in his overage season - 14 gp 1 point - 0.07ppg
Gabe Eliasson - 44gp 5 points - 0.11ppg
Matthew Andonovski - 50gp 14 points - 0.28ppg

In the QMJHL the bottom are:
Dylan Mackinnon 83rd 2023 - 43gp 5 points - 0.12ppg
Basile Sansonnes 221st 2024 - 38 gp - 7 points - 0.18 ppg
Matteo Mann 199th 2023 - 40gp 11p - 0.28ppg
Antoine Dorion 209th 2024 - 42gp 12p - 0.29ppg

In the WHL the bottom are:
Vojtech Port 161st 2023 - 38gp 8 points - 0.21ppg
Charlie Elick 36th 2024 - 47gp 10 points - 0.21ppg
Nillopekken Mulhola 158th 2024 - 44gp 10 points - 0.23pg

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I mean it was Hjalmarsson who made the comparison lol. And without seeing Eliasson play, I highly doubt he will ever touch him because Hjalmarsson was incredible - but the point was just because some here don’t see the upside to be anything but a bottom pairing guy, doesn’t mean the Sens took him thinking it’s not there.

But Staios did mention Xhekaj in the same piece.

XheKaj in the second round.

I don't see the Eliasson/Hjalmarsson comparisson, but I'll be damned if I try and say I'd know better than Hjalmarsson himself.

I can only assume he means that they are similar as they are/were offensively inept guys who can make it to the league despite not having any offense as a junior. What I've seen from Eliasson thus far (2 games, very small sample size), I don't see much similarity in playstyle

Elaisson has almost as many PIMS in his past 70 games as Hjalmarsson had in his 820 game career

Eliasson can absloutey carve out a career in the NHL. I don't think the upside is very high, but a big physical guy who can move is always someone who can carve out a career on a bottom pair.

For him to become a guy who can be more than a bottom 6/pressbox, he needs to develop some offense like a Brandon Carlo/Radko Gudas did in the WHL, ~0.6 ppg in their 19 year old season

As of right now he has the lowest ppg in the entire CHL among NHL drafted players from 2022-2024, and funny enough one of the guys closest was taken a few picks before him in Chalrie Elick at 36th

The worst ppg in the entire CHL with guys over 20 games among drafted players are:
Eliasson 39th 2024 - 44gp 5 points
Dylan Mackinnon 83rd 2023 - 43gp 5 points
Basile Sansonnes 221st 2024 - 38 gp 7 points
Vojtech Port 161st 2023 - 38gp 8 points
Charlie Elick 36th 2024 - 47gp 10 points

In the OHL, the bottom are:
Stevie Leskovar in his overage season - 14 gp 1 point - 0.07ppg
Gabe Eliasson - 44gp 5 points - 0.11ppg
Matthew Andonovski - 50gp 14 points - 0.28ppg

In the QMJHL the bottom are:
Dylan Mackinnon 83rd 2023 - 43gp 5 points - 0.12ppg
Basile Sansonnes 221st 2024 - 38 gp - 7 points - 0.18 ppg
Matteo Mann 199th 2023 - 40gp 11p - 0.28ppg
Antoine Dorion 209th 2024 - 42gp 12p - 0.29ppg

In the WHL the bottom are:
Vojtech Port 161st 2023 - 38gp 8 points - 0.21ppg
Charlie Elick 36th 2024 - 47gp 10 points - 0.21ppg
Nillopekken Mulhola 158th 2024 - 44gp 10 points - 0.23pg

Nice to see 2 Sens names on this list lol

 

[Xspyrit]

Speaking of Dorion, I heard him say on the BPM radio yesterday that he thinks his worst trade was Filip Gustavsson for Cam Talbot... (I mean lol it was horrible the moment it was made), then went on to say that he loses sleep when Gus plays well... Uh... if he really loses sleep in that situation and considering all his other moves, when the f*** does he even sleep?

Dylan Mackinnon 83rd 2023 - 43gp 5 points - 0.12ppg
Basile Sansonnes 221st 2024 - 38 gp - 7 points - 0.18 ppg
Matteo Mann 199th 2023 - 40gp 11p - 0.28ppg
Antoine Dorion 209th 2024 - 42gp 12p - 0.29ppg

What did Dorion pay to the Blues for them to take his son in the 7th round last draft?

September 25, 2021

Zach Sanford for 2022 conditional 4th round pick + Logan Brown


Same thing for Mann's son with the Flyers... conspiracy!