Speculation: 2024-2025 General Lightning Discussion IV

[Hoek]

There is a reason the Crunch Goalies shared the Top AHL Goaltender award with the Laval Pair. Regardless of his one game performance for Tampa, Halverson literally carried the Crunch on his back for the first two plus months of the season and that is why he was selected the team's MVP. Give him a legit shot.

Nah man he had one bad performance in Utah where the rest of the team didn't even bother to show up. That's it, his career is over.

 

[Major4Boarding]

Maybe we’re going about this the wrong way. Hear me out.

Maybe the focus shouldn’t be a 2RW

Maybe we should be looking at a 1C to push Point down to the 2RW spot. I say that now after pretty much giving up hope that Howard will ever be in a Bolt sweater.

I know there’s two barricades to that. Can we create the salary room and do we have the assets?

We need to push down rather than plug in, imo. But in a pretend-we-did moment, it makes a lot of sense because we have depth players we’re holding onto as mainstays. Chaffee, Gonzo, Raddysh, Lils, and some we need to Thanos-snap (Breaks my heart it didn’t work) Perbix, Zegmus, Glendening, Atkinson, and Sheary

Eventually, at some point, there’s a few in Syracuse they’re gonna be pushing those here now either down or out. If Duke continues his pace he could make a serious push for a bottom-6 LW spot. Hope Huuhtanen continues his North American adjustment.

This season I have felt one of the three defensemen mentioned above is the reason why Crozier is not on our roster. Which is a misjustice in my opinion, but here we are.

Also, I ain’t coming off my soapbox and it is a hill I will die on. We need a #4 defenseman to push Cernak down. I am not changing my mind on that. We’re gonna have a big enough problem replacing MCD after next season anyway so…

I don’t know. I’m just getting shit stuck in my head because from what we’ve witnessed the last week there’s gonna be changes… Drastic changes needing made, and this was the only one that I have not seen discussed.

One thing I have to keep mindful of is we will have more money at the end of next season, the crop of availability will be larger, and depending on what happens in Houston we may be looking at an expansion draft too next summer. Hopefully they just wait until Atlanta gets shovels in the ground and they announce a dual-expansion draft two Summers from now. But anyway…

Fire away

Guentzel - ? - Kucherov
Hagel - Cirelli - Point
Goncalves - Paul - Bjorkstrand
Girgensons - Geekie - Chaffee

 

[Zwui21]

 

[Zwui21]

Maybe we’re going about this the wrong way. Hear me out.

Maybe the focus shouldn’t be a 2RW

Maybe we should be looking at a 1C to push Point down to the 2RW spot. I say that now after pretty much giving up hope that Howard will ever be in a Bolt sweater.

I know there’s two barricades to that. Can we create the salary room and do we have the assets?

We need to push down rather than plug in, imo. But in a pretend-we-did moment, it makes a lot of sense because we have depth players we’re holding onto as mainstays. Chaffee, Gonzo, Raddysh, Lils, and some we need to Thanos-snap (Breaks my heart it didn’t work) Perbix, Zegmus, Glendening, Atkinson, and Sheary

Eventually, at some point, there’s a few in Syracuse they’re gonna be pushing those here now either down or out. If Duke continues his pace he could make a serious push for a bottom-6 LW spot. Hope Huuhtanen continues his North American adjustment.

This season I have felt one of the three defensemen mentioned above is the reason why Crozier is not on our roster. Which is a misjustice in my opinion, but here we are.

Also, I ain’t coming off my soapbox and it is a hill I will die on. We need a #4 defenseman to push Cernak down. I am not changing my mind on that. We’re gonna have a big enough problem replacing MCD after next season anyway so…

I don’t know. I’m just getting shit stuck in my head because from what we’ve witnessed the last week there’s gonna be changes… Drastic changes needing made, and this was the only one that I have not seen discussed.

One thing I have to keep mindful of is we will have more money at the end of next season, the crop of availability will be larger, and depending on what happens in Houston we may be looking at an expansion draft too next summer. Hopefully they just wait until Atlanta gets shovels in the ground and they announce a dual-expansion draft two Summers from now. But anyway…

Fire away

Guentzel - ? - Kucherov
Hagel - Cirelli - Point
Goncalves - Paul - Bjorkstrand
Girgensons - Geekie - Chaffee

Definitely an interesting idea.
Could also work, because you can put a 50 points center with Kuch and Guentzel... and he becomes a ppg player.

But please, no Girgensons. The 4th line needs at least 2 highly physical players.

 

[Major4Boarding]

Definitely an interesting idea.
Could also work, because you can put a 50 points center with Kuch and Guentzel... and he becomes a ppg player.

But please, no Girgensons. The 4th line needs at least 2 highly physical players.

That’s the “under contract” version. I’m cooking up something where the 4th line (everyone not named Geekie) is replaced

 

[Point21]

Maybe we’re going about this the wrong way. Hear me out.

Maybe the focus shouldn’t be a 2RW

Maybe we should be looking at a 1C to push Point down to the 2RW spot. I say that now after pretty much giving up hope that Howard will ever be in a Bolt sweater.

I know there’s two barricades to that. Can we create the salary room and do we have the assets?

We need to push down rather than plug in, imo. But in a pretend-we-did moment, it makes a lot of sense because we have depth players we’re holding onto as mainstays. Chaffee, Gonzo, Raddysh, Lils, and some we need to Thanos-snap (Breaks my heart it didn’t work) Perbix, Zegmus, Glendening, Atkinson, and Sheary

Eventually, at some point, there’s a few in Syracuse they’re gonna be pushing those here now either down or out. If Duke continues his pace he could make a serious push for a bottom-6 LW spot. Hope Huuhtanen continues his North American adjustment.

This season I have felt one of the three defensemen mentioned above is the reason why Crozier is not on our roster. Which is a misjustice in my opinion, but here we are.

Also, I ain’t coming off my soapbox and it is a hill I will die on. We need a #4 defenseman to push Cernak down. I am not changing my mind on that. We’re gonna have a big enough problem replacing MCD after next season anyway so…

I don’t know. I’m just getting shit stuck in my head because from what we’ve witnessed the last week there’s gonna be changes… Drastic changes needing made, and this was the only one that I have not seen discussed.

One thing I have to keep mindful of is we will have more money at the end of next season, the crop of availability will be larger, and depending on what happens in Houston we may be looking at an expansion draft too next summer. Hopefully they just wait until Atlanta gets shovels in the ground and they announce a dual-expansion draft two Summers from now. But anyway…

Fire away

Guentzel - ? - Kucherov
Hagel - Cirelli - Point
Goncalves - Paul - Bjorkstrand
Girgensons - Geekie - Chaffee

Said the same thing about Point. hes just not the two way guy he was his first couple of years and cant win a faceoff to save his life. utilize his speed on the wing instead of up the middle

 

[Coopers Gum]

Win one game and the entire narrative changes

Oh, you posted that yesterday. My b. Delete.

 

[Peacefool]

I would maybe go for Hall for reasonable price

 

[LightningStrikes]

I would maybe go for Hall for reasonable price

Duchene or Giroux would be cool. Although Duchene has a tendency to disappear in the playoffs - he’d fit right in!

 

[Hoek]

Said the same thing about Point. hes just not the two way guy he was his first couple of years and cant win a faceoff to save his life. utilize his speed on the wing instead of up the middle

Found our new Stamkos I guess lol

 

[Power Surge]

Ladies and Gents we are back!

 

[JTBF81]

I would maybe go for Hall for reasonable price

Based on positional need and available cap, I'd look at names like Brazeau, Saad, Tanev, Bjugstad, maybe re-signing Gourde, Kunin, Armia, and for defense,.Schmidt, Hanley, Wotherspoon, Fabbro perhaps.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInTampa]

Based on positional need and available cap, I'd look at names like Brazeau, Saad, Tanev, Bjugstad, maybe re-signing Gourde, Kunin, Armia, and for defense,.Schmidt, Hanley, Wotherspoon, Fabbro perhaps.

Gourde is gonna have to sign for cheap with his purposes being to kill penalties and starting shit. I might consider Tanev for the penalty kill too. I might consider trading for Lomberg in Calgary. Simply for starting shit. We need an agitator plain and simple. See if the Devils will do Howard for Casey. Trade Cirelli for Tage Thompson. I don't remember if Lafferty is the cat's pajamas either but if he is, make the deal.


I admit this isn't my best ideas. It's just reflecting the principle of what I want to do. Get a right handed 2C for the PP, add some defensive forwards, add a hateable shit mongrel. Howard for a defense prospect

 

[RussianGuyovich]

Got my own personal hate mail from panthers nation. I’ve still got it.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInTampa]

Got my own personal hate mail from panthers nation. I’ve still got it.

You're doing God's holy work

 

[JTBF81]

Gourde is gonna have to sign for cheap with his purposes being to kill penalties and starting shit. I might consider Tanev for the penalty kill too. I might consider Lomberg in Calgary for starting shit. We need an agitator plain and simple. See if the Devils will do Howard for Casey. Trade Cirelli for Tage Thompson. I don't remember if Lafferty is the cat's pajamas either but if he is, make the deal with Thompson too.

Cirelli isn't really up for trade, and Buffalo isn't moving Thompson for him anyway. Unless Tampa is trading Chaffee or Goncalves, they likely have room for maybe 2 bottom 6 forwards (assuming Glendening isn't returning and Girgensons is either sent down or traded). This offseason isn't when JBB is likely to disrupt an effective top 6.

 

[Crunchrulz]

Frederic is an interesting fourth line option. Plus 18 for his career. Seems to have acceptable fourth line numbers on the scoresheet and provides a physical playstyle. Downside is his $2.3 million contract this year and what he will expect as a free agent.
Might have to look AHL or overseas for players that have talent but cannot break the log jam for the organization they are part of.
As if Tampa Bay never had that problem in the past.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

Maybe we’re going about this the wrong way. Hear me out.

Maybe the focus shouldn’t be a 2RW

Maybe we should be looking at a 1C to push Point down to the 2RW spot. I say that now after pretty much giving up hope that Howard will ever be in a Bolt sweater.

I know there’s two barricades to that. Can we create the salary room and do we have the assets?

We need to push down rather than plug in, imo. But in a pretend-we-did moment, it makes a lot of sense because we have depth players we’re holding onto as mainstays. Chaffee, Gonzo, Raddysh, Lils, and some we need to Thanos-snap (Breaks my heart it didn’t work) Perbix, Zegmus, Glendening, Atkinson, and Sheary

Eventually, at some point, there’s a few in Syracuse they’re gonna be pushing those here now either down or out. If Duke continues his pace he could make a serious push for a bottom-6 LW spot. Hope Huuhtanen continues his North American adjustment.

This season I have felt one of the three defensemen mentioned above is the reason why Crozier is not on our roster. Which is a misjustice in my opinion, but here we are.

Also, I ain’t coming off my soapbox and it is a hill I will die on. We need a #4 defenseman to push Cernak down. I am not changing my mind on that. We’re gonna have a big enough problem replacing MCD after next season anyway so…

I don’t know. I’m just getting shit stuck in my head because from what we’ve witnessed the last week there’s gonna be changes… Drastic changes needing made, and this was the only one that I have not seen discussed.

One thing I have to keep mindful of is we will have more money at the end of next season, the crop of availability will be larger, and depending on what happens in Houston we may be looking at an expansion draft too next summer. Hopefully they just wait until Atlanta gets shovels in the ground and they announce a dual-expansion draft two Summers from now. But anyway…

Fire away

Guentzel - ? - Kucherov
Hagel - Cirelli - Point
Goncalves - Paul - Bjorkstrand
Girgensons - Geekie - Chaffee

So wait, you want to push Point down for another 1C? I'm just not sure how that ends up being cost effective or how making him the 2RW makes us better? Whoever is coming in as a 1C is going to be well north of the 9.5 a few guys get now and just exacerbates the issue of being top heavy and/or not having depth, but I know i'm preaching to the choir here.

I'm just having a hard time envisioning what this looks like, it might push a couple guys further down the lineup but i'm not sure thats the answer, either. I will throw my hat in the ring for Giroux though, I think he could be a really solid fit here. He still has the creativity.

Got my own personal hate mail from panthers nation. I’ve still got it.

Never lost it, baby

 

[LTIR Trickery]

Also, call me crazy but i'd absolutely look at Patty Kane, hes soft as hell but he can absolutely still dish and putting a couple finishers every once in a while could pay off in a big way.

 

[Stammertime91]

Also, call me crazy but i'd absolutely look at Patty Kane, hes soft as hell but he can absolutely still dish and putting a couple finishers every once in a while could pay off in a big way.

I couldn't imagine him on the ice with Kucherov....

This board would have an aneurysm waiting for a shot.

 

[Lightning1995]

No hearing on the Guentzel hit. The NHL is such an unwatchable joke. I really love the Lightning and hate the league.

Think if that hit was against Marner there’s a suspension? I sure do

 

[AlwaysSunnyInTampa]

Also, call me crazy but i'd absolutely look at Patty Kane, hes soft as hell but he can absolutely still dish and putting a couple finishers every once in a while could pay off in a big way.

I like where your head is at but it's hard to tell how much he has left to give. We need to do something about how selfish our team is in the sense that it's always someone else's responsibility to take the shot. I don't know where and how Kane fits into fixing that

 

[T REX]

We better see major fire tomorrow...I mean...this group has a lot to prove now.

LFGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

 

[Felonious Python]

Joel Armia $2.5 mil
Eric Robinson $2.2 mil
Justin Brazeau $1.4 mil

Good deals?

I'm looking for bigger forwards who can play. Trent Frederic's projected contract is like $4 mil/year. I think I'd pass on that.

AFP Analytics has Joel Kiviranta with a projected deal of less than $1 mil/year. I'm not sure if that's right. 16 goals this season.

 

[JTBF81]

Joel Armia $2.5 mil
Eric Robinson $2.2 mil
Justin Brazeau $1.4 mil

Good deals?

I'm looking for bigger forwards who can play. Trent Frederic's projected contract is like $4 mil/year. I think I'd pass on that.

AFP Analytics has Joel Kiviranta with a projected deal of less than $1 mil/year. I'm not sure if that's right. 16 goals this season.

Not sure about Robinson, and Frederic at 4 million is a pass, but Armia around 2.5, Brazeau at 1.5 and Kiviranta around 2 or so would all be interesting.