Speculation: 2024-2025 General Lightning Discussion II: Oh no! We dont suck again!
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JTBF81
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Most Sabres fans also don't seem to want a ton of picks/prospects if they were to move them, but more of a hockey trade. I wouldn't move any high level player on the team for either of them in that kind of deal.
They’ve been rebuilding for like a decade, I am sure that fanbase wants nothing to do with prolonging their suffering
I think our third line wingers are our weak spot in the forward lineup. They aren't bad, but they also aren't good third liners, a drop off from Paul's level. I don't see them contributing offensively in the playoffs when team defense goes up a level.
Pretty much every team will want a 50% retention and I don't see a problem with that, he's UFA, it's not a multi-year retention. I don't see how Gourde can cost more than 2nd+4th. Also i'm not sure that you can get a better player without giving away 1st/good prospect.
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Adding Tuch would put us in a top contender spot IMO.
And the thing with such an acquisition is that he's still only 28 y/o signed to an awesome contract till end of next season.
Guentzel - Point - Kuch
Hagel - Cirelli - Tuch
A top 6 like this would be troubles for our opponents
And pushing Geekie down to the 3rd line should also elevate the 3rd line performance
And the thing with such an acquisition is that he's still only 28 y/o signed to an awesome contract till end of next season.
Guentzel - Point - Kuch
Hagel - Cirelli - Tuch
A top 6 like this would be troubles for our opponents
And pushing Geekie down to the 3rd line should also elevate the 3rd line performance
I don’t want to give up that much for Gourde, I would rather spend more and get a bigger upgrade. We have had a lot of success with the smaller trades
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They don't really have a choice. They're in the same position the Bucs were in. They failed a rebuild in the Freeman years and then failed the rebuild in the Winston years. It's not like we didn't have talent and the Sabres don't either. Our solution came by getting rid of locker room idiots who like to talk about winning and stink it up every game. Yes Brady helped but Baker basically has the same team and we are still better off with him
Well, hopefully JBB can pull a Eyssimont or Paul type deal
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The Sabres are rotten to the core. You won't fix that "team" with a trade or two. Anyone you bring in will learn to play the game in a losing way.
I understand, but is this an argument for or against Buffalo trading their young stars? Lol
If they blow it up, there is a lot to blow. If they don’t, they may continue to rot, so idk what they do
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Nah. Just trade guys who love talking about winning and don't bring anything of actual value. It's not like Buffalo is bereft of talent hereI understand, but is this an argument for or against Buffalo trading their young stars? Lol
If they blow it up, there is a lot to blow. If they don’t, they may continue to rot, so idk what they do
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Well, it's not like guys just automatically suck as soon as they get to Buffalo. Probably the first thing I noticed about Cooper was he established a culture of "Why the hell is everyone putting so much pressure on themselves? Just play hockey and stop taking everything so seriously" and lauded our fight if we blew a 3 goal lead, got out shot by 20 and barely won
Outlook and attitude is what makes a core rotten. They would do well to chill the hell out and stop talking about how long they have been bad. All it does is add performance pressure and a mind block. You have been bad for 10 years. Stop taking everything so damn seriously
Lightning did a purge like this. Who do you think those guys are for Buffalo? Heard last year it was Okposo, this year there is a lot of complaining about Dahlin
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To a degree I do blame Eichel for a lot of this. I respected him for taking their performance so seriously but it's clear he was just a petulant brat who couldn't keep his head when shit was hard
Okposo is a career loser on bad islander teams and then Buffalo. That is the kind of move you make. Don't know enough about Dahlin. Let's hope that's not the case
Eyssimont is not a legit 3rd liner. Gourde is a much better player even today. Nick Paul was a steal. If JBB can trade Chaffee+4th for another Nick Paul that would be fantastic, but I'm not sure you can find a player like that, let alone at that price.
No way should we be trading Chaffee. I still believe in Ace, even if his production is down this year, it’s not like Gourde would add a lot of offense.
You wouldn't trade Chaffee for another Nick Paul? It's just an analogy, we traded Joseph for Paul, Chaffee is his equivalent.
As a thought experiment, for a guaranteed for a Paul clone? Yes you make the trade.
Chaffee isn't the equivalent of Joseph though. Joseph was about as one dimensional as it gets and had no spot on a scoring line. Chaffee's 200 foot game makes him an excellent third liner, hes not a guy we should be trading away. We should be looking for another Chaffee.
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Lets have a bigger dreams-Jbb will pull a Hagel trade with Hagel type extension
Lets have a bigger dreams-Jbb will pull a Hagel trade with Hagel type extension
If we're willing to pay the cost, I can't imagine a better 2nd line RW than Tuch for this team. Guy is just like Hagel and Cirelli. Fast, tenacious, defensively responsible. He's also big and has a great shot, something those two could use on that line. He also makes less than 5m for another two years, so he's affordable, the people who keep mentioning him in this thread I think have done a great job of identifying an ideal fit and not just a big name.
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It just doesn't make a lot of sense.fpr them to trade one of their best young players, to a division rival at that, unless they were getting a quality roster replacement in return or such an unbelievable futures package that couldn't be turned down. I'd love to get Tuch as well, but I don't want to gut the prospect pool and/or multiple 1sts either. Maybe tbe '26 1st+Howard+Chaffee/Eyssimont for him, but Tampa would need retention, which adds more, and I doubt Buffalo even takes that offer unless they are going 100% scorched earth rebuild mode.
