Speculation: 2024-2025 General Discussion III: 4 nations, 4th line scoring

[Rschmitz]

I do think Cirelli is a potential offseason trade target if we wanna do it. Hagel's made him look real good this year, and we may want a more offensive minded center. Wouldn't hate keeping him either, and since the organization seems to love him that's probably what we do.

If someone is dangling a top 10 pick and young roster player you may wanna think long and hard about it, especially depending on what is available for free agency.

 

[JTBF81]

Idk dude. Cirelli fetches us a roster player and Geekie level prospect at worst

So a weaker roster player and a player who is still just a prospect, and one that likely doesn't help Tampa at all thks year and doubtful for next year knowing the way Tampa usually overcooks prospects. Yeah, no thanks, I'll keep the very good 2 way 2C they already have, and on a good aav for many years.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

I do think Cirelli is a potential offseason trade target if we wanna do it. Hagel's made him look real good this year, and we may want a more offensive minded center. Wouldn't hate keeping him either, and since the organization seems to love him that's probably what we do.

If someone is dangling a top 10 pick and young roster player you may wanna think long and hard about it, especially depending on what is available for free agency.

Not in this draft. Moving a player like Cirelli is going to be an immediate net negative. Just because the cap has gone up, doesn't mean we have a ton of cap space still. Basically after next season we have to sign a whole D core with only Hedman signed long term. We have no 2-3-4 D prospects about to step in. The only move for Cirelli is to get a same age 2D or 3D. There is no other trade or we start looking in FA for defenseman. Cirelli helps the declining and inevitable D fall off, removing him the equation makes it overall worse.

 

[creg]

Cirelli is not getting traded, he's practically Cooper's son and the fact that he's playing in this tournament at all should tell you where he stands in this organization, but assuming it was possible how would it ever make sense for us to do so?

Cirelli plays an important position, is locked up to a good contract long-term, and is still in his prime coming off his best season to date. He's the type of player we should be trading for and JBB himself has said that he's approaching this deadline/off-season as being about adding rather than contracts in/out. Not to mention that if we did trade Cirelli we'd have an immediate huge hole at center and something tells me that if a team is trying to trade for Cirelli they probably don't have centers to give back.

JBB will probably prioritize trading for players locked up for a couple years (like he always does) which will be especially huge with how big the cap jumps are. If Seattle really wants to move McMann & Bjorkstrand I would empty the cupboards to get them.

 

[Rschmitz]

Not in this draft. Moving a player like Cirelli is going to be an immediate net negative. Just because the cap has gone up, doesn't mean we have a ton of cap space still. Basically after next season we have to sign a whole D core with only Hedman signed long term. We have no 2-3-4 D prospects about to step in. The only move for Cirelli is to get a same age 2D or 3D. There is no other trade or we start looking in FA for defenseman. Cirelli helps the declining and inevitable D fall off, removing him the equation makes it overall worse.

Didn't make sense to deal Sergachev and let Stamkos walk at this point in time last year either, it shouldn't be dismissed out of hand just because we don't have a viable replacement readily lined up.

I don't think Cirelli gets moved, but that's mainly due to how much the organization seems to love him. He's certainly not irreplaceable, and you can't preclude variables like how better off we will be without knowing what might be added in free agency or what we could get back in a trade. That's the kind of deal I would be open to, one that is obvioiusly advantageous that can be used to further roster build.

Also, we have three top 4 D under team control beyond next year. You're right that we'll need to address that at some point, but two years out is plenty of time to plan.

 

[JTBF81]

Didn't make sense to deal Sergachev and let Stamkos walk at this point in time last year either, it shouldn't be dismissed out of hand just because we don't have a viable replacement readily lined up.

I don't think Cirelli gets moved, but that's mainly due to how much the organization seems to love him. He's certainly not irreplaceable, and you can't preclude variables like how better off we will be without knowing what might be added in free agency or what we could get back in a trade. That's the kind of deal I would be open to, one that is obvioiusly advantageous that can be used to further roster build.

Also, we have three top 4 D under team control beyond next year. You're right that we'll need to address that at some point, but two years out is plenty of time to plan.

The writing on the wall was already in place for Serg at this time last year, as had JBB been able to acquire Hanifin, Serg was as good as gone. He was the most overpaid and most valuable trade piece of the 3 that could've been moved, and it was clear JBB was looking that way well before Trotz came calling about McD returning. Stamkos was declining as well, and while I don't think JBB wanted him gone, he wasn't going to overpay for a player entering the twilight of his career.

Cirelli is neither overpaid nor entering the twilight of his career, and while he may not be "irreplaceable,^ finding another highly effective 2-way 2C who is also, it appears, finding another gear offensively perhaps, isn't something teams are trading often. No team looking for Cirelli is going to trade Tampa another C even close to his quality, and Tampa doesn't need to expedite a re-build by going for possible impact futures. Tampa won't have that much cap space this summer to pay a higher price than what Cirelli is making to.a likely older ufa 2C, as well as addressing a few other areas. Maybe there's some unbelievable deal for him that JBB simply can't refuse, but I highly doubt it.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Didn't make sense to deal Sergachev and let Stamkos walk at this point in time last year either, it shouldn't be dismissed out of hand just because we don't have a viable replacement readily lined up.

I don't think Cirelli gets moved, but that's mainly due to how much the organization seems to love him. He's certainly not irreplaceable, and you can't preclude variables like how better off we will be without knowing what might be added in free agency or what we could get back in a trade. That's the kind of deal I would be open to, one that is obvioiusly advantageous that can be used to further roster build.

Also, we have three top 4 D under team control beyond next year. You're right that we'll need to address that at some point, but two years out is plenty of time to plan.

Not the same at all. Replacing Stammer was a plan they had probably for a year, that's why they never offered him a contract earlier. Trading Serge was because we still had a year buffer and Sergachev was overpaid, and Moser was coming back. It's not similar at all situations. Cirelli isn not on his tail end of his career, a ufa, or overpaid. You can't compare him to Stammer and Serge situations.

The window for Defenseman is closing really quick. Hedman and Cernak are the only ones signed. McDonagh isn't getting extended, he's probably going to retire at the end of his deal. Then what? Trade Cirelli for a defenseman? Then try to sign an older UFA 2C for more money than Cirelli to do what Cirelli already does or at least hope he does?

 

[Rschmitz]

The writing on the wall was already in place for Serg at this time last year, as had JBB been able to acquire Hanifin, Serg was as good as gone. He was the most overpaid and most valuable trade piece of the 3 that could've been moved, and it was clear JBB was looking that way well before Trotz came calling about McD returning. Stamkos was declining as well, and while I don't think JBB wanted him gone, he wasn't going to overpay for a player entering the twilight of his career.

Even after we acquired McDonagh, it was still being argued by most that Sergachev would stay and move to the right side, I certainly don't remember anyone predicting Hanifin was a sign we would trade Sergachev. Stamkos on the other hand I thought was a lame duck for a few years now.

Cirelli is neither overpaid nor entering the twilight of his career, and while he may not be "irreplaceable,^ finding another highly effective 2-way 2C who is also, it appears, finding another gear offensively perhaps, isn't something teams are trading often. No team looking for Cirelli is going to trade Tampa another C even close to his quality, and Tampa doesn't need to expedite a re-build by going for possible impact futures. Tampa won't have that much cap space this summer to pay a higher price than what Cirelli is making to.a likely older ufa 2C, as well as addressing a few other areas. Maybe there's some unbelievable deal for him that JBB simply can't refuse, but I highly doubt it.

I'm not making an argument that we should trade him, I'm saying he'll get a lot of interest over the summer.

 

[Rschmitz]

Not the same at all. Replacing Stammer was a plan they had probably for a year, that's why they never offered him a contract earlier. Trading Serge was because we still had a year buffer and Sergachev was overpaid, and Moser was coming back. It's not similar at all situations. Cirelli isn not on his tail end of his career, a ufa, or overpaid. You can't compare him to Stammer and Serge situations.

The window for Defenseman is closing really quick. Hedman and Cernak are the only ones signed. McDonagh isn't getting extended, he's probably going to retire at the end of his deal. Then what? Trade Cirelli for a defenseman? Then try to sign an older UFA 2C for more money than Cirelli to do what Cirelli already does or at least hope he does?

No two situations are the same, but there were easily just as many good arguments to keep Stamkos and Sergachev as there is Cirelli. Hindsight is 20-20, if the right deal presents itself I doubt JBB will have any issues trading Cirelli and facilitating his replacement some other way. The goal is to make the team better.

Moser is a RFA at the end of his deal, he'll be retained. We will also try very hard to re-sign McDonagh but in a lesser capacity. We still need a big move on our D in a year or two, but losing Raddys/Lilleberg/Perbix and replacing them with someone else isn't the end of the world.

 

[bov]

Serg was never overpaid, our cap situation was what it was. The move was justifiable and opened up other avenues, I won't argue that, but calling him overpaid is wrong. He is worth every penny of it. Being able to reacquire McDonagh AND land Moser in the deal to keep the left side strong has a lot to do with it.

 

[DaBolts]

Yup, they booed again.

This is going to be one wild game...

 

[Rschmitz]

This game is wild already!

 

[JTBF81]

Even after we acquired McDonagh, it was still being argued by most that Sergachev would stay and move to the right side, I certainly don't remember anyone predicting Hanifin was a sign we would trade Sergachev. Stamkos on the other hand I thought was a lame duck for a few years now.



I'm not making an argument that we should trade him, I'm saying he'll get a lot of interest over the summer.

The amount that would've been spent on the defense had Serg been kept l, plus either Hanifin or McD making nearly 7, would've made it basically impossible to sign Guentzel or another real high value top 6 F. It may not have been the opinion of the majority on here, but myself and at least a few others saw Serg as the correct trade piece because of all the reasons that have already been stated by a couple of posters here. Tampa needed the cap space and had the depth on defense, and given Serg's value, he made the most sense. It's not the same with Cirelli given Tampa's F depth, position in thelr window, and better cap situation. Imo, I don't see any realistic scenario where JBB trades him and makes the team better this summer.

 

[Rschmitz]

The amount that would've been spent on the defense had Serg been kept l, plus either Hanifin or McD making nearly 7, would've made it basically impossible to sign Guentzel or another real high value top 6 F. It may not have been the opinion of the majority on here, but myself and at least a few others saw Serg as the correct trade piece because of all the reasons that have already been stated by a couple of posters here. Tampa needed the cap space and had the depth on defense, and given Serg's value, he made the most sense. It's not the same with Cirelli given Tampa's F depth, position in thelr window, and better cap situation. Imo, I don't see any realistic scenario where JBB trades him and makes the team better this summer.

I'm certain that we will know by July 1st whether JBB is going to trade him

 

[Flat Ronnie]

Who can we sacrifice for Brady Tkachuk?

 

[Stammertime91]

Who can we sacrifice for Brady Tkachuk?

Ottawa is getting better, they'd be incredibly dumb to move on from him in any capacity. Though, it is Ottawa so maybe they give him up for some magic beans.

Id love to have him on Tampa. I absolutely hate those brothers but there's no denying he's an effective prick. Lol.

 

[JTBF81]

If Bjorkstrand is being made available and JBB does go after him, what would it likely take to get him with 50% retention? Since he has an additional year after this, that would add to it as well. I'd guess the '26 1st (top 10 protected) +a good prospect like Gauthier/Duke+a mid round pick or roster player like Ace or Chaffee to balance cap if needed? It would probably take an overpay given the extra year and since I doubt Tampa would be the only team bidding, but maybe they could get him a little cheaper. McCann would also likely cost at least this much imo, given the extra 2 years after this one. I think Tampa could acquire one of these players l, should Seattle decide to trade either, but since Tampa would likely need retention in order to also add at least one more player, Bjorkstrand still seems more realistic.

 

[Stelio Kontos]

Cirelli + + for Tage Thompson..
Point
Thompson
Geekie
or hear me out..
Howard + Geekie + 1st for thompson (& greenway? I don’t think buffalo does that without another big add)

17 goals in 103 playoff games .41 PPG.
Really really like Cirelli and think he’s a great player but Good 2C Elite 3C, hopefully our coaching staff uses their collective and runs Hagel - Cirelli - Guentzel as line 2. So if Kuch and Point get shut down we have another line that can score and we don’t have to watch cirelli get 18 goalie interference penalties

 

[Rschmitz]

Cirelli + + for Tage Thompson..
Point
Thompson
Geekie
or hear me out..
Howard + Geekie + 1st for thompson (& greenway? I don’t think buffalo does that without another big add)

17 goals in 103 playoff games .41 PPG.
Really really like Cirelli and think he’s a great player but Good 2C Elite 3C, hopefully our coaching staff uses their collective and runs Hagel - Cirelli - Guentzel as line 2. So if Kuch and Point get shut down we have another line that can score and we don’t have to watch cirelli get 18 goalie interference penalties

What a massive get that would be. Unfortunately amongst the many reasons Buffalo would not want to do this, Thompsons contract is amazing. Less than 8m AAV for like 5 more years is one of the best contracts in the league.

 

[Zwui21]

I would not be happy if we got Palmieri. Spending assets on a 34 y/o rental is not what we wanna do to keep our window open for the foreseeable future.

 

[Rschmitz]

I would give a 3rd and a meh prospect for him, 2nd max. If they want a 1st than absolutely not.

 

[Five Alarm Fire]

Who can we sacrifice for Brady Tkachuk?

I think it would take Kucherov or Point. Just considering the age and contract, he’s locked in for Ottawa. I don’t see anything else on our roster moving the needle.

 

[LightningStrikes]

I would not be happy if we got Palmieri. Spending assets on a 34 y/o rental is not what we wanna do to keep our window open for the foreseeable future.

He’d fill a big hole on the 3rd line. Age doesn’t really matter, it’s just a rental. But agree in that he wouldn’t be my first choice but better than doing nothing for sure.

 

[bov]

Don't think Palmieri helps advance the team further unless you bolster the bottom/middle six with another player. I would imagine he'd slot in with Cirelli and Hagel on the right. He is a good player by himself but as always, can't win with a tiny team especially up front. If he ends up on the 3rd line, that leaves a weakness at 2RW or 3C if Paul moves up. I don't think the price would be high though.

"Rumoured to be a good fit" or is there actual interest?

 

[Major4Boarding]

Who the f*** is Jack Pallotta?