2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

[Overkamp]

Friedman reporting that Spence could be available in LA, he could be an interesting target for us for sure if its true.

Fill that right side. Move Faulk down to the 3rd pairing where he truly belongs.

 

[stl76]

Yep I’d want nothing to do with Marner anything over 9m. He’s one dimensional. Glorified Kyrou.

Lol Marner is elite defensively. He is decidedly NOT 1 dimensional.

 

[Overkamp]

Frankly, I’m a little surprised we haven’t heard any hints from Strick, JR etc on where the two sides currently stand. Are they close? Far apart? Hofer happy to bide his time as the backup for 2 years or eager to become a starter? It’s been crickets.

And yeah, it’d have to be a pretty narrow set of circumstances for a team to want Hofer as their starter or platoon guy but I could see it. Yes, NJ recently acquired Markstrom but maybe they can convince Hofer he has a better route there as Markstrom is 35, going to turn 36 midway through next season. He’d probably be able to challenge and take over the starters role in NJ sooner than in STL.

I think the Blues believe Ellis is a lot closer than we think. He impressed last year. Drafted one year after Hofer.

I assume Hofer deal will get done and Hofer/Ellis is the future.

 

[Overkamp]

Lol Marner is elite defensively. He is decidedly NOT 1 dimensional.

I can respect your feelings for Mitch, but I’ve seen enough of his game to hard pass on a $13-14m per year contract. No way in hell.

 

[Reality Czech]

Fill that right side. Move Faulk down to the 3rd pairing where he truly belongs.

From what I'm reading about Spence, there's no guarantee he's better than Faulk, who played pretty well while Parayko was out. I know it's trendy to bash Faulk, but how many teams have a player like him as their 3RD?

I mean Spence is a 5'11" guy who's supposed to excel offensively but he only had 28 points last year, which is 4 fewer than Faulk. Unless Spence is really strong defensively, which I'm not sure he is, what exactly is the appeal here?

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Lol Marner is elite defensively. He is decidedly NOT 1 dimensional.

This is true. While I want nothing to do with Marner, I agree that he is a fine two-way player. He wilts in big games. He's logged at least 4 pointless games in each of the last 3 postseasons. More importantly, those pointless games were big games. He's streaky like Kyrou, but at least Jordan is only 8m sumpn sumpn versus what Carolina may offer; 14m.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Yep I’d want nothing to do with Marner anything over 9m. He’s one dimensional. Glorified Kyrou.

I'd be perfectly fine with Marner up to 10 Mil on this team. He's definitely a good 2-way forward. But at around 12ish Mil a Season I'd rather stick with the cheaper player in Kyrou and use that money to upgrade other parts of the lineup (like Center Depth or defensive Depth)

 

[TruBlueFan1970]

I'd be perfectly fine with Marner up to 10 Mil on this team. He's definitely a good 2-way forward. But at around 12ish Mil a Season I'd rather stick with the cheaper player in Kyrou and use that money to upgrade other parts of the lineup (like Center Depth or defensive Depth)

Rumors from various Twitter hockey guys is that he's looking at $13-14 million and teams like VGK, LA and Anaheim have been mentioned. Way out of the Blues price range and I don't think he's worth that much, even with the cap going up. Agree with your premise of looking at other options to upgrade center and RD, or even LD if we can find a cheaper replacement for Leddy and ditch his $4 million. Heck, even Carson Soucy is rumored to be available and only has $3.25m left for one season. I'd take him as your 3rd pair LD if we can dump Leddy.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Rumors from various Twitter hockey guys is that he's looking at $13-14 million and teams like VGK, LA and Anaheim have been mentioned. Way out of the Blues price range and I don't think he's worth that much, even with the cap going up. Agree with your premise of looking at other options to upgrade center and RD, or even LD if we can find a cheaper replacement for Leddy and ditch his $4 million. Heck, even Carson Soucy is rumored to be available and only has $3.25m left for one season. I'd take him as your 3rd pair LD if we can dump Leddy.

I severely doubt Leddy is on the team in September.


Neighbours-Thomas-Buch
Holloway-Schenn-Kyrou
Bolduc-????-Snuggy
Toro-????-Walker
Sunny-Joseph

Fowler-Parayko
Broberg-Faulk
????-????
Tucker-Kessel

Binner
Hofer

Out-Leddy, Texier
Maybe still in-Faksa, Suter

That's currently the players I see "locked" onto the team for Opening night. Faska I would not be a bit surprised to see return as the 4C and I wouldn't be Surprised to see Tucker be the 3LD as well. But we still need a 3RD and a 3C.

 

[TruBlueFan1970]

I severely doubt Leddy is on the team in September.


Neighbours-Thomas-Buch
Holloway-Schenn-Kyrou
Bolduc-????-Snuggy
Toro-????-Walker
Sunny-Joseph

Fowler-Parayko
Broberg-Faulk
????-????
Tucker-Kessel

Binner
Hofer

Out-Leddy, Texier
Maybe still in-Faksa, Suter

That's currently the players I see "locked" onto the team for Opening night. Faska I would not be a bit surprised to see return as the 4C and I wouldn't be Surprised to see Tucker be the 3LD as well. But we still need a 3RD and a 3C.

Mostly agree. Line combos obviously subject to change, as I think they will give one of Snuggy or Bolduc a chance on the top line instead of Neighbours. Just my opinion on that one though. Also agree that Tucker will be in the top 6, but he played well on his offside, so he can be the 3LD or RD if needed.

Also, while not great on faceoffs, and better suited to the wing, they did play Walker at center at times. I wonder if they elect to spend more on a 2c/3c/2RD that they would consider a 4th line of Toro-Walker-Joseph versus spending the $2.5-3m on Faksa?? Or play Sunny as 4th line C with Toro and Walker and save the Faksa money for a 3C?

Like I said, lots of options. My dream scenario would be they find a taker for Buch and agrees to waive his NTC and they can invest that $8m into better players.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Mostly agree. Line combos obviously subject to change, as I think they will give one of Snuggy or Bolduc a chance on the top line instead of Neighbours. Just my opinion on that one though. Also agree that Tucker will be in the top 6, but he played well on his offside, so he can be the 3LD or RD if needed.

Also, while not great on faceoffs, and better suited to the wing, they did play Walker at center at times. I wonder if they elect to spend more on a 2c/3c/2RD that they would consider a 4th line of Toro-Walker-Joseph versus spending the $2.5-3m on Faksa?? Or play Sunny as 4th line C with Toro and Walker and save the Faksa money for a 3C?

Like I said, lots of options. My dream scenario would be they find a taker for Buch and agrees to waive his NTC and they can invest that $8m into better players.

I wasn't really saying that they were locked into those lines, more just locked into the roster. I'm kind of Hoping to see Blues grab Granlund to put between Holloway and Kyrou and they put Schenn with Bolduc and Neighbours because I'm hoping that we will lessen the ice time for the 4th line a little and the 3rd line can produce like a 2nd line with 3 players who could definitely play top 6 minutes.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

I wasn't really saying that they were locked into those lines, more just locked into the roster. I'm kind of Hoping to see Blues grab Granlund to put between Holloway and Kyrou and they put Schenn with Bolduc and Neighbours because I'm hoping that we will lessen the ice time for the 4th line a little and the 3rd line can produce like a 2nd line with 3 players who could definitely play top 6 minutes.

Dallas is going to be tight against the cap, so they might not be able to re-sign him.

 

[TruBlueFan1970]

I wasn't really saying that they were locked into those lines, more just locked into the roster. I'm kind of Hoping to see Blues grab Granlund to put between Holloway and Kyrou and they put Schenn with Bolduc and Neighbours because I'm hoping that we will lessen the ice time for the 4th line a little and the 3rd line can produce like a 2nd line with 3 players who could definitely play top 6 minutes.

I think he would be a great pickup.

 

[BrokenFace]

I'm not interested in Marner at his likely cap hit at all but I bet he's going to be a fine player in the playoffs wherever he goes, unless he just takes the money to play on a bottom feeder. He has to own how much he's failed to deliver in playoffs so far, but I think leaving Toronto will be a good mental reset for him.

 

[bleedblue1223]

We've talked about it before, and I obviously wouldn't do it at the price that some others would be willing, but the more I think about it, the more I wonder if ROR returning is realistic. A twitter aggregator said that Mirtle said that they are willing to take a step back, not that they have much choice, but sounds like they won't double down on their old vet group, and it's previously been reported that they are willing to treat ROR like he has a NMC.

Player wise, it makes sense for us, I think the only way it works is if he has a very limited list of teams and we are at or near the top. I don't know for sure if he'd want to come back, not that we had a bad break or anything, but sometimes players just want new experiences or maybe he wants to go to a true contender. But, he's someone that I sort of have in the back of my mind and think, maybe it could happen.

Add: And thinking about lines, a ROR/Neighbours/Bolduc combo could work really well together.

 

[BlueOil]

outside of overpaying just to get him, i can't see why anyone would offer marner more than rantanen's $12m per season. they've played about the same number of games and have pretty close stats. at the same price point, rantanen > marner.

 

[Reality Czech]

We've talked about it before, and I obviously wouldn't do it at the price that some others would be willing, but the more I think about it, the more I wonder if ROR returning is realistic. A twitter aggregator said that Mirtle said that they are willing to take a step back, not that they have much choice, but sounds like they won't double down on their old vet group, and it's previously been reported that they are willing to treat ROR like he has a NMC.

Player wise, it makes sense for us, I think the only way it works is if he has a very limited list of teams and we are at or near the top. I don't know for sure if he'd want to come back, not that we had a bad break or anything, but sometimes players just want new experiences or maybe he wants to go to a true contender. But, he's someone that I sort of have in the back of my mind and think, maybe it could happen.

Add: And thinking about lines, a ROR/Neighbours/Bolduc combo could work really well together.

I would love to have ROR back, although I wonder if he'd be content being a 3C here if a bigger role elsewhere is available. We know from past experience that him and Kyrou mix like oil and water and he couldn't keep up with Kyrou/Holloway speedwise anyway. ROR is still absolutely good enough to be a solid 2C but if he misses his old stomping grounds in STL then he would be the perfect add from our perspective. He'd obviously get heavy special teams usage and would immediately improve our PP and PK.

 

[Majorityof1]

I severely doubt Leddy is on the team in September.


Neighbours-Thomas-Buch
Holloway-Schenn-Kyrou
Bolduc-????-Snuggy
Toro-????-Walker
Sunny-Joseph

Fowler-Parayko
Broberg-Faulk
????-????
Tucker-Kessel

Binner
Hofer

Out-Leddy, Texier
Maybe still in-Faksa, Suter

That's currently the players I see "locked" onto the team for Opening night. Faska I would not be a bit surprised to see return as the 4C and I wouldn't be Surprised to see Tucker be the 3LD as well. But we still need a 3RD and a 3C.

I don't see the urge to move Leddy and spend assets to bring in another LD. Leddy was clearly hurt last year. Because of that we'd have to pay to move him.

We don't need his cap. Why not just see if he bounces back? We have Tucker as a serviceable 3LD is he doesn't. Its better than paying assets to move him and then paying more assets to replace him.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I don't see the urge to move Leddy and spend assets to bring in another LD. Leddy was clearly hurt last year. Because of that we'd have to pay to move him.

We don't need his cap. Why not just see if he bounces back? We have Tucker as a serviceable 3LD is he doesn't. Its better than paying assets to move him and then paying more assets to replace him.

It's more that I'd rather have a Right Handed 3RD and have Tucker be our 3LD than have Leddy. I don't trust Kessel to be a long term Fix. I also don't expect that we'll need to add assets to Leddy to move him.

 

[Majorityof1]

It's more that I'd rather have a Right Handed 3RD and have Tucker be our 3LD than have Leddy. I don't trust Kessel to be a long term Fix. I also don't expect that we'll need to add assets to Leddy to move him.

We can still bring in a 3RD without moving Leddy. Have Tucker and Leddy compete for 3LD/7th. We don't need the cap yet. So why waste assets to move out depth?

 

[TruBlueFan1970]

We can still bring in a 3RD without moving Leddy. Have Tucker and Leddy compete for 3LD/7th. We don't need the cap yet. So why waste assets to move out depth?

I wouldn't waste assets to move out Leddy. If you can get anything for him, such as a late round pick, then his cap space is more valuable than his play, which was not good last season. Maybe he was hurt and plays better, but he was really bad down the stretch and in the playoffs. I would just as soon jettison him and let someone else fill the spot cheaper, or someone in the system if they are ready for #7 Dman role.

 

[Majorityof1]

I wouldn't waste assets to move out Leddy. If you can get anything for him, such as a late round pick, then his cap space is more valuable than his play, which was not good last season. Maybe he was hurt and plays better, but he was really bad down the stretch and in the playoffs. I would just as soon jettison him and let someone else fill the spot cheaper, or someone in the system if they are ready for #7 Dman role.

If saving cap space us more valuable than his play then who would pay to take on that cap space?

Fans always lay out the reason they want to get rid of a guy, then just randomly expect other teams to help them out by taking on what you want to get rid of and paying for the pleasure. "So and so is washed up, costs too much and makes crucial mistakes, we'd be better off without him. We should trade him for <insert valuable asset>."

Sure, there are dumb GMs and sometimes teams are in different places or have different needs. Sometimes what doesn't make sense for one team makes sense for another. But more often than not, when you want to dump someone, teams aren't lining up to pay for him.

 

[TruBlueFan1970]

If saving cap space us more valuable than his play then who would pay to take on that cap space?

Fans always lay out the reason they want to get rid of a guy, then just randomly expect other teams to help them out by taking on what you want to get rid of and paying for the pleasure. "So and so is washed up, costs too much and makes crucial mistakes, we'd be better off without him. We should trade him for <insert valuable asset>."

Sure, there are dumb GMs and sometimes teams are in different places or have different needs. Sometimes what doesn't make sense for one team makes sense for another. But more often than not, when you want to dump someone, teams aren't lining up to pay for him.

with it being the last year of his contract and the big jump in the cap, there are some teams that need players to get to the cap floor. Those teams often look for vets to help mentor their younger players and use the 1 year of cap hit to help get to the floor. Look at Kreider going to Anaheim. A team like Chicago (who he played and won cups with) has close to $30m in cap space and San Jose/Columbus have over $40m.

I don't disagree with your point at all. Just saying there are options that don't cost assets, as long as you are willing to accept little to nothing in return except the space. The acquiring teams get a veteran presence on a short-term deal, to help get to the cap floor. Anaheim is another team, but they are rumored to be after Marner and with Coach Q coming in, may be looking to spend their cap on UFA talent and try to make a big leap.

 

[Brian39]

outside of overpaying just to get him, i can't see why anyone would offer marner more than rantanen's $12m per season. they've played about the same number of games and have pretty close stats. at the same price point, rantanen > marner.

Because that team won't also have to pay two 1st round picks and one of the best young players in their system as part of the package to land the player.

And while I'm not interested in Marner at his UFA price, simply comparing the two statistically doesn't paint a complete picture. Their games are extremely different.

 

[BlueOil]

Because that team won't also have to pay two 1st round picks and one of the best young players in their system as part of the package to land the player.

And while I'm not interested in Marner at his UFA price, simply comparing the two statistically doesn't paint a complete picture. Their games are extremely different.

i don't understand what the cost of acquiring rantanen for a playoff run has to do with his new contract. are you suggesting rantanen took a discount because dallas paid a hefty price to acquire him for a playoff run and the rights to sign him?

of course their games are different and it's an insufficient comparison. the point was that rantanen is a good comp for marner so I expect him to land a similar deal.