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2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

I'd like to see Ivan Barbashev come back. Vegas may want to get rid of him if they are trying to land a big fish because of his cap hit. I honestly think it was a mistake to deal him to begin with (especially for the return and looking at our lack of center depth now.) He'd make a nice 2nd / 3rd pair center to flip flop with Schenn. What do you guys think it would take to bring him back into the fold?

Hasn't he been primarily a winger in recent years? Even on the Blues he played a lot more wing than center. Not sure he'd be a solution for 3C and as I've said before, I don't think he'd be putting up his Vegas numbers if he was playing middle six here. He's a great guy to be the third man on a scoring line but doesn't generate much offense on his own, and his defensive game is average.
 
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I'd like to see Ivan Barbashev come back. Vegas may want to get rid of him if they are trying to land a big fish because of his cap hit. I honestly think it was a mistake to deal him to begin with (especially for the return and looking at our lack of center depth now.) He'd make a nice 2nd / 3rd pair center to flip flop with Schenn. What do you guys think it would take to bring him back into the fold?
He’s not a center…
 
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I'd like to see Ivan Barbashev come back. Vegas may want to get rid of him if they are trying to land a big fish because of his cap hit. I honestly think it was a mistake to deal him to begin with (especially for the return and looking at our lack of center depth now.) He'd make a nice 2nd / 3rd pair center to flip flop with Schenn. What do you guys think it would take to bring him back into the fold?

He’s not a center…
I agree. He doesn’t play much center with Vegas and I’m not sure he is what we need right now, unless we are looking for a 3rd line upgrade over Joseph/Tex.

Even then, not sure he wants to be here. Didn’t want to sign here. Has an 8 team NTC. Are we on it? No way of knowing, but while he could play 3rd line C, agree with MN that he isn’t one anymore. Don’t see what he provides other than he fits the bill of a 200 ft player that Army said he wants.
 
I'd like to see Ivan Barbashev come back. Vegas may want to get rid of him if they are trying to land a big fish because of his cap hit. I honestly think it was a mistake to deal him to begin with (especially for the return and looking at our lack of center depth now.) He'd make a nice 2nd / 3rd pair center to flip flop with Schenn. What do you guys think it would take to bring him back into the fold?
Love Barbie, but he's not a center so wouldn't really fill a need
 
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I agree. He doesn’t play much center with Vegas and I’m not sure he is what we need right now, unless we are looking for a 3rd line upgrade over Joseph/Tex.

Even then, not sure he wants to be here. Didn’t want to sign here. Has an 8 team NTC. Are we on it? No way of knowing, but while he could play 3rd line C, agree with MN that he isn’t one anymore. Don’t see what he provides other than he fits the bill of a 200 ft player that Army said he wants.
There were never any reports that Barbie didn't want to sign here, he was moved because we didn't want to sign him for cap purposes, nothing about him as a player.
 
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There were never any reports that Barbie didn't want to sign here, he was moved because we didn't want to sign him for cap purposes, nothing about him as a player.
I thought he wanted to test the market. I’m old though, so the memory may be fading. Either way, you never heard of the two sides sitting down, offers he refused, etc…. He was just gone. And still don’t think he fits a need.
 
I thought he wanted to test the market. I’m old though, so the memory may be fading. Either way, you never heard of the two sides sitting down, offers he refused, etc…. He was just gone. And still don’t think he fits a need.
My recollection is that he didn't want to resign with us because we were rebuilding and he wanted chance to win. So we dealt him to Vegas and he won another Cup. And then got big raise. Good on him. Now thar we are better we are I assume more appealing, but as you said, he doesn't fill a need because he's yet another winger.
 
I'd like to see Ivan Barbashev come back. Vegas may want to get rid of him if they are trying to land a big fish because of his cap hit. I honestly think it was a mistake to deal him to begin with (especially for the return and looking at our lack of center depth now.) He'd make a nice 2nd / 3rd pair center to flip flop with Schenn. What do you guys think it would take to bring him back into the fold?
As others have mentioned, he's been primarily a winger since before we traded him, but if our pro scouts felt he could be a good 2C option I could think of worse choices, especially if the cost to acquire was low. From what I remember, he played a good chunk of his last full season here (career high 60 points) with Tarasenko on the right side, but that worked out because Tarasenko liked having the puck on his stick. I don't recall Barbie being very good at the "transporter" role, but if he was slotted between Holloway and Kyrou he probably wouldn't need to be.

He would certainly be more of a known quantity than most other options, and from what I remember hearing at the time he left on very good terms. My only concern aside from the fit at C would be that he's not much of an upgrade (if any) on Schenn. I think one of the keys to taking a step forward next season is getting a more offensively gifted C between Kyrou and Holloway.
 
My recollection is that he didn't want to resign with us because we were rebuilding and he wanted chance to win. So we dealt him to Vegas and he won another Cup. And then got big raise. Good on him. Now thar we are better we are I assume more appealing, but as you said, he doesn't fill a need because he's yet another winger.
I don't remember him ever saying he didn't want to resign or mention anything about a rebuild, I just remember him wanting to get paid and we weren't willing to do so, so we shopped him at the deadline and then he ended up in the perfect spot.
 
I don't remember him ever saying he didn't want to resign or mention anything about a rebuild, I just remember him wanting to get paid and we weren't willing to do so, so we shopped him at the deadline and then he ended up in the perfect spot.

That's pretty much it. I don't recall him saying anything one way or another, but the Blues weren't going anywhere and he was a UFA to be that was going to get a substantial raise. The Blues had something like 8 20 goal scorers that year and needed to restock the prospect pool.

Also, he's taken 261 faceoffs over the last three seasons combined (39% win rate) and I'm pretty sure he's never played a full season as a center. I don't think he's what we need right now.
 
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I don't remember him ever saying he didn't want to resign or mention anything about a rebuild, I just remember him wanting to get paid and we weren't willing to do so, so we shopped him at the deadline and then he ended up in the perfect spot.
Army said it in interview after the trade deadline that year, that we had tried to sign him and he wanted chance to win so we dealt him.
 
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Army said it in interview after the trade deadline that year, that we had tried to sign him and he wanted chance to win so we dealt him.
That’s kind of what I remembered. I phrased it as him not wanting to sign with us, but probably more accurate that he wanted to be with a contender. Either way, he wasn’t signing here and not sure he would want to come back. And, he’s not a need. As much as I like him as a player, he’s probably not on the radar.
 
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I know Marner to Vegas has been mentioned in here, with them needing to move cap to make it work. I like Roy, but would love to see if we could get one of Hertl/Karlsson instead.
 
I know Marner to Vegas has been mentioned in here, with them needing to move cap to make it work. I like Roy, but would love to see if we could get one of Hertl/Karlsson instead.
I would expect Karlsson to be moved, but I would think that they would want to keep Hertl to play with Marner and keep Eichel and Stone together.
 
Russo published his interview with Bill Guerin yesterday.


If Rossi isn't willing to do a bridge deal, then I don't see the value in us going for him. We'd be trading assets plus taking a gamble on a $7m x 7. Too rich.

I really think if there's an offer sheet this summer and Rossi isn't signed by July, then he'll be the odds on favorite for some team to throw money at him with an offer sheet.
I highly doubt Armstrong would be leaking contract numbers like this publicly mid-negotiation unless it was a last ditch move to try and find common ground. I don’t like what Guerin did s doing here.
 
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Russo published his interview with Bill Guerin yesterday.


If Rossi isn't willing to do a bridge deal, then I don't see the value in us going for him. We'd be trading assets plus taking a gamble on a $7m x 7. Too rich.

I really think if there's an offer sheet this summer and Rossi isn't signed by July, then he'll be the odds on favorite for some team to throw money at him with an offer sheet.

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I’m not sure more people have a real understanding of how much the cap going up changes the cost of players.

The cap this year is 88 million. Seven million dollars right now equals right at 8% of the cap.

In 2027-28 the cap will be 113.5 million. Seven million dollars will be basically 6.2%

That doesn’t sound like much but if Rossi was paid 6.2% of the current 88 million dollar cap, his salary would be 5.45 million per season.

If you’re comfortable with Rossi at 5.45 million now, you should be happy with him at 7 million for 7 years. He’s 23, coming off scoring 60 points, and his best hockey is most likely ahead of him.

Plus, the organization would be hoping Dvorsky wins the 2c job within a couple of years.

I think it’s an easy decision to sign Rossi to a 7x7 contract. The crux is what’s it take to trade for him?
 
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ds774622 said:
Russo published his interview with Bill Guerin yesterday.


If Rossi isn't willing to do a bridge deal, then I don't see the value in us going for him. We'd be trading assets plus taking a gamble on a $7m x 7. Too rich.

I really think if there's an offer sheet this summer and Rossi isn't signed by July, then he'll be the odds on favorite for some team to throw money at him with an offer sheet.

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I’m not sure more people have a real understanding of how much the cap going up changes the cost of players.

The cap this year is 88 million. Seven million dollars right now equals right at 8% of the cap.

In 2027-28 the cap will be 113.5 million. Seven million dollars will be basically 6.2%

That doesn’t sound like much but if Rossi was paid 6.2% of the current 88 million dollar cap, his salary would be 5.45 million per season.

If you’re comfortable with Rossi at 5.45 million now, you should be happy with him at 7 million for 7 years. He’s 23, coming off scoring 60 points, and his best hockey is most likely ahead of him.

Plus, the organization would be hoping Dvorsky wins the 2c job within a couple of years.

I think it’s an easy decision to sign Rossi to a 7x7 contract. The crux is what’s it take to trade for him?
I think it would be players like Neighbors & Bolduc would be brought up.
 
ds774622 said:
Russo published his interview with Bill Guerin yesterday.


If Rossi isn't willing to do a bridge deal, then I don't see the value in us going for him. We'd be trading assets plus taking a gamble on a $7m x 7. Too rich.

I really think if there's an offer sheet this summer and Rossi isn't signed by July, then he'll be the odds on favorite for some team to throw money at him with an offer sheet.

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I’m not sure more people have a real understanding of how much the cap going up changes the cost of players.

The cap this year is 88 million. Seven million dollars right now equals right at 8% of the cap.

In 2027-28 the cap will be 113.5 million. Seven million dollars will be basically 6.2%

That doesn’t sound like much but if Rossi was paid 6.2% of the current 88 million dollar cap, his salary would be 5.45 million per season.

If you’re comfortable with Rossi at 5.45 million now, you should be happy with him at 7 million for 7 years. He’s 23, coming off scoring 60 points, and his best hockey is most likely ahead of him.

Plus, the organization would be hoping Dvorsky wins the 2c job within a couple of years.

I think it’s an easy decision to sign Rossi to a 7x7 contract. The crux is what’s it take to trade for him?
That initial report of it being a mid-20s pick or Forester is so weird. If that's all it takes for Rossi extended, I'd offer 19OA and Texier/Joseph to offset salary? A 1 for 1 for Neighbors or Bolduc?

And the weird thing is the divisional rival angle: on one hand, you'd think we would pay out the nose...but if Minnesota does think he's not worth it, it'd be pretty cold to let him go to us in the hopes it backfires...

For the record, I'm for it. I like Rossi and think 7 million is very fair for a 60 point center. If he gets better it could be another steal like Thomas and Kyrou. It's all the sweeter if we can get him without losing too important of a roster forward.
 
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Kyrou for Utah’s 4th overall pick, if the top center is still on the board? Utah adds?
From an asset value standpoint, I could understand it but where the Blues are at, they need to be building the current roster, not taking away from it to gain another 17/18 yr old.

Bolduc + a prospect? I’d do that but Utah wouldn’t.
 
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