2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Re: Trading Kyrou.

If we're trading Kyrou, it should be because we're getting the best player in the deal back in return. Otherwise, it likely doesn't make sense for the Blues right now.

The team that wins these deals is usually the team that trade the player who is the best at the time of the deal.

 

[Spektre]

And Armstrong already said he's going to work on keeping him.

Meh did he say that?? I remember him saying good things about him but there was no talk about must bring him back etc…

 

[Xerloris]

Meh did he say that?? I remember him saying good things about him but there was no talk about must bring him back etc…

Maybe he didn't say those exact words but I believe he inferred it with this statement.

"He and I had a good conversation," Armstrong said after the season. "It's something that I want to reflect back on. We want to grow, we have young players that we want to grow, but we don't want to disregard what he meant to us... That line was our identity. I've seen what an identity line can do."

 

[bleedblue1223]

The value in trading Kyrou comes from the acquiring team getting him at a really good contract in an exploding cap environment, and his NTC doesn't start till July 1st. For a team like Buffalo that's massive. I don't think a Peterka+9th gets Army as excited as it would have if we didn't turn it around last season and were still in our re-whatever and were looking for a pure shakeup move. That offer would give us suitable replacement where it won't significantly change our current roster and add a very good prospect.

I've kind of gone back and forth on stuff that we should do lately, and I think it just proves to me that options are pretty wide open, and wide open for a ton of clubs. I'm still 100% hesitant on someone like Marco Rossi, but if you can get him for just a late 1st, and even if it takes 7x7 or 7x7.5, after a couple years with cap increases, that's going to start to be a middle 6 salary, similar to how this year, those guys will get $5M. You just don't want it to quickly turn into a Mittelstadt situation. I'd just want time with the player before locking him into a big deal, and that's the tough part with Rossi, aside from his size. The more I've thought about it, the more I wonder if his situation is comparable to Dunn when he was here. Once it was decided that he wasn't a long-term fit, he was made available, and because a good team made him available, other teams got scared off from making a trade that would've been an easy win for them.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I think with Faksa, they'd prefer to bring him back, and I think a lot of that probably depends on the other plans they have for the roster. I think the recongize the benefit he brought as a guy that can take defensive faceoffs, can set the tone, handle heavier minutes.

How big a priority is re-signing Radek Faksa?

He and I had a good conversation. It's something I want to reflect back on. We want to grow, we have young players that we want to grow, but we don't want to disregard what he meant to us. That's a different part where we're at in our maturation. If we expect to be good again, we have to keep good players here. He has to want to stay here too. There's a lot that goes on, but that line was out identity. I've seen what an identity line can do. I want to let the dust settle, I want to sit with Alex [Steen], I want to sit with our coaches to find out what we have coming, who can fill some of these roles, but he and [Ryan] Suter specifically came in, veteran players, one year deals and they gave us everything that we can want and more. I told Faksa how privileged I was to work with (him), and we're going to talk to him.

 

[BlueMed]

With the clear chemistry between Kyrou and Holloway, I have a hard time seeing Army trading Kyrou this off season. While there are legitimate doubts that Kyrou can be a top winger on a contender, his AAV is pretty decent with the increasing cap if you recalibrate your expectations of him as a productive top 6 winger.

 

[bleedblue1223]

NHL offseason trade board: An early look at the summer’s top targets, from Kreider to Rossi to Ehlers

While I don't think we make Schenn available, it's really the fact that he's the captain that's driving that belief, so I'll be curious what plays out. There are some other intriguing names on this list, Logan Mailloux as one of them.

14. Brayden Schenn​

Team: St. Louis Blues
Position: Left wing
Shoots: Left
2024-25 stats: 18 goals, 50 points, 82 games
Age: 33
Contract: $6.5 million AAV through 2028; full no-trade list becomes 15-team no-trade list on July 1

There was plenty of discussion around Schenn leading up to the trade deadline, but the Blues captain told the team his preference was to stay at that time. Could that change? Schenn’s full no-trade clause is set to convert to a 15-team no-trade list this summer, which shifts more leverage to the front office if it chooses to reengage the market on the veteran center. The Blues set a high price on Schenn in talks last season. He remains a productive point producer who brings value at both ends of the ice.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

NHL offseason trade board: An early look at the summer’s top targets, from Kreider to Rossi to Ehlers

While I don't think we make Schenn available, it's really the fact that he's the captain that's driving that belief, so I'll be curious what plays out. There are some other intriguing names on this list, Logan Mailloux as one of them.

Pass. He is awful defensively.

 

[LetsGoBooze]

This is why ive been clammering for Helenius to be the add in any Buffalo deal. Whether it be Kyrou for JJ + Hel or Byram + Hel, we would be gaing another long-term option at Center, which fills a need. We can definitely have Schenn bridge until either Dvo/Hel is ready. Would be nice to have some internal competition for the 2C spot. Also, just my opinion, but JJ will be a much better playoff competititor than Kyrou in the coming years, so i'd be thrilled with a lateral move for a different winger as long as we could get Helenius included.

 

[BlueDream]

And Armstrong already said he's going to work on keeping him.

Doesn’t guarantee that he’ll be back.

Besides, he wouldn’t really be directly replacing Faksa. I like Faksa but he is strictly a 4C and nothing more. Nicolas Roy has more offensive ability to his game, and is a solid 3C that would be a clear upgrade over Sunny, so that we could push him down.

Roy may not be a flashy name, but he would fit into our top 9 pretty well IMO. If our offseason consisted of acquiring Roy and say a RHD like Whitecloud from Vegas, I wouldn’t be mad at all. I think that’s more in line with what we might do, as I don’t really see us making a legit swing for a big name like Dobson.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Doesn’t guarantee that he’ll be back.

Besides, he wouldn’t really be directly replacing Faksa. I like Faksa but he is strictly a 4C and nothing more. Nicolas Roy has more offensive ability to his game, and is a solid 3C that would be a clear upgrade over Sunny, so that we could push him down.

Roy may not be a flashy name, but he would fit into our top 9 pretty well IMO. If our offseason consisted of acquiring Roy and say a RHD like Whitecloud from Vegas, I wouldn’t be mad at all. I think that’s more in line with what we might do, as I don’t really see us making a legit swing for a big name like Dobson.

I see Dobson going to Dallas. They need RHD in a big way, just like the Blues.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I see Dobson going to Dallas. They need RHD in a big way, just like the Blues.

Don’t see it. Where do they get cap space for him? Harley and Heiskanen give them plenty of offensive d. They need rhd who is stronger in own end. and cheaper.

 

[greybush314]

This is why ive been clammering for Helenius to be the add in any Buffalo deal. Whether it be Kyrou for JJ + Hel or Byram + Hel, we would be gaing another long-term option at Center, which fills a need. We can definitely have Schenn bridge until either Dvo/Hel is ready. Would be nice to have some internal competition for the 2C spot. Also, just my opinion, but JJ will be a much better playoff competititor than Kyrou in the coming years, so i'd be thrilled with a lateral move for a different winger as long as we could get Helenius included.

I'm pretty sure they moved Helenius to the wing this year. Don't know why but that's what his report on Dobberprospects says

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Don’t see it. Where do they get cap space for him? Harley and Heidi Anne give them plenty of offensive d. They need rhd who is stronger in own end. and cheaper.

I posted the same sorts of stuff about their cap situation. For Dallas to bring in some core-aged guys (27-29), Nill must shed salary. They will definitely clear some cap space with some surprise moves. Nill is a wizard, but his task is tall.

The big roster turnover I predicted did not happen. But the writing is on the wall this summer. There will be bigger than normal turnover in Dallas because it must happen.

Dumba has negative value and will probably be bought out.

Their D will look significantly different. It must happen. I think they need to hit the reset button. Dallas had a good run, but unless they acquire the right pieces, unlike Nashville, the Stars will flounder.

I do not foresee dramatic improvement unless they shed salary, acquire the right mix of age-appropriate players and revamp the D corps. Tall task.

Steel is effective, yet he was underplayed. Obviously, I could on and on about this.

Miro and Harley are both LHDs. Bichsel is their only prospect worth his salt. I was wrong about him. He’s good. But he is also a LHD.

EDIT: Their owner is extremely pissed off.

 

[Beninnola]

Why do we need a new Faksa when we're still gonna have the original Faksa?

I wonder what the expectation is for Sunny and whether acquiring a bottom 6 center who can play more than 10-14 min a game is a thing we would do. Seems like Faksa often was a victim to a shortened bench. If they are okay with sunny carrying a similar load next year then we have Faksa at home already.

Nick Roy is a gigantic man, gets a lot more icetime, costs less (than last year faksa) and is younger/has an extra year of term.

If we aren’t going to acquire a high aav player then having luxuries like really outstanding bottom 6 center is great, especially if they’re easier to acquire since the trading partner went out and added 12.9 million to their books and now has to shed dollars.

 

[Xanadude]

I wonder what the expectation is for Sunny and whether acquiring a bottom 6 center who can play more than 10-14 min a game is a thing we would do. Seems like Faksa often was a victim to a shortened bench. If they are okay with sunny carrying a similar load next year then we have Faksa at home already.

Nick Roy is a gigantic man, gets a lot more icetime, costs less (than last year faksa) and is younger/has an extra year of term.

If we aren’t going to acquire a high aav player then having luxuries like really outstanding bottom 6 center is great, especially if they’re easier to acquire since the trading partner went out and added 12.9 million to their books and now has to shed dollars.

I'd love Nic Roy a ton as a 3c. He always stands out to me when I'm watching Vegas play--he's a prototypical 3C. If Vegas decides to go for Marner and they have to sacrifice cap, I would jump at the chance to 'help' them by taking Roy off their hands.

This is why ive been clammering for Helenius to be the add in any Buffalo deal. Whether it be Kyrou for JJ + Hel or Byram + Hel, we would be gaing another long-term option at Center, which fills a need. We can definitely have Schenn bridge until either Dvo/Hel is ready. Would be nice to have some internal competition for the 2C spot. Also, just my opinion, but JJ will be a much better playoff competititor than Kyrou in the coming years, so i'd be thrilled with a lateral move for a different winger as long as we could get Helenius included.

I see why Buffalo would want Kyrou. Good defense on a skillset that is similar to Peterka--and unable to leave no matter how incompetent they are.

But why would we make that trade?

Our issues down the middle and on RHD aren't addressed in the slightest with Peterka instead of Kyrou. Now, if we're talking Byram + Peterka? (maybe?) McLeod + Peterka? Even Helenius/Kulich + Peterka, if we think they're a C? We would have to add a bit, but that would stand to reason. Otherwise, I'm not sure why we do that unless the organization at the top simply wants to get rid of Kyrou.

 

[STL fan in MN]

Not a big fan of the Kyrou for Peterka idea. Besides trading a player in his prime for one still figuring out the two-way part of his game, it’d be trading a RW (organizational area of weakness) for a LW (organizational area of strength). I know Peterka can play the right side too but we’re already super short of right-shot players. That said, I like Peterka better at age 23 than I did age 23 Kyrou.

Big fan of Helenius. I think he should’ve gone higher last year. His 35 pts in the AHL this season at age 18 is probably more impressive than Dvorsky’s 45 pts at age 19. Would be surprised if they’d let him go but maybe.

Who I’d really like is Jiri Kulich. But they’d be crazy to let him go IMO. Would we really get 2 of these 3 assets? Doubt it. But again, maybe they get desperate if Peterka basically tells them he’s not signing there.

 

[Reality Czech]

I'd love Nic Roy a ton as a 3c. He always stands out to me when I'm watching Vegas play--he's a prototypical 3C. If Vegas decides to go for Marner and they have to sacrifice cap, I would jump at the chance to 'help' them by taking Roy off their hands.


I see why Buffalo would want Kyrou. Good defense on a skillset that is similar to Peterka--and unable to leave no matter how incompetent they are.

But why would we make that trade?

Our issues down the middle and on RHD aren't addressed in the slightest with Peterka instead of Kyrou. Now, if we're talking Byram + Peterka? (maybe?) McLeod + Peterka? Even Helenius/Kulich + Peterka, if we think they're a C? We would have to add a bit, but that would stand to reason. Otherwise, I'm not sure why we do that unless the organization at the top simply wants to get rid of Kyrou.

Are you saying Kyrou plays good defense or am I misunderstanding here. He's passable at best. I guess the question is how good do both teams expect Peterka to become. If they think he'll end up being as good as Kyrou, then I don't see why they'd trade us Peterka + for Kyrou. If I'm Buffalo, I'm targeting character guys and players that can shake up their team to reach the next level and I'm not sure emotionless Kyrou is the kind of guy I'd be targeting.

 

[Xanadude]

Are you saying Kyrou plays good defense or am I misunderstanding here. He's passable at best. I guess the question is how good do both teams expect Peterka to become. If they think he'll end up being as good as Kyrou, then I don't see why they'd trade us Peterka + for Kyrou. If I'm Buffalo, I'm targeting character guys and players that can shake up their team to reach the next level and I'm not sure emotionless Kyrou is the kind of guy I'd be targeting.

I worded it oddly. Kyrou has become average defensively. That is miles better than anything Buffalo is trotting out. Look at their forwards' defensive metrics from last year. It's disgusting.

And I agree on the character thing. I'm not in any way a hater of Kyrou...but he doesn't seem like locker room glue or a character guy. Not an insult, it just seems like you'd target Neighbors or Schenn if intangibles are what you are dead-set on.

 

[Beninnola]

Tbh I’d probably rather Vegas get Marner and us get a shot at Vegas’ high quality but now unaffordable depth bits than us get Marner.

But it would really suck if Vegas got Marner then the stars, wild, predators and oilers got the good spare bits from Vegas.

 

[Reality Czech]

I worded it oddly. Kyrou has become average defensively. That is miles better than anything Buffalo is trotting out. Look at their forwards' defensive metrics from last year. It's disgusting.

And I agree on the character thing. I'm not in any way a hater of Kyrou...but he doesn't seem like locker room glue or a character guy. Not an insult, it just seems like you'd target Neighbors or Schenn if intangibles are what you are dead-set on.

Just seems like kind of a lateral move from Buffalo's perspective. Of course it's rumored that Peterka doesn't want to sign there, so they're gonna have to move him one way or another. But considering their depth chart already has Thompson, Quinn and Tuch on RW, I'm guessing that's not what they would want back if trading Peterka.

 

[ds774622]

Russo published his interview with Bill Guerin yesterday.

Guerin made clear during a conversation with The Athletic that there’s a certain price point he’s willing to go to in contract talks with Rossi — and, so far, Rossi’s ask has been significantly higher. The Wild have made two contract offers — five years, $25 million in the winter, per league sources, and a shorter-term offer last week.

While the five-year offer had previously been rejected (after a bridge counter the Wild didn’t agree to), Rossi’s camp has not yet countered the Wild’s recent bridge offer. The sides are expected to speak again this coming week.

If Rossi isn't willing to do a bridge deal, then I don't see the value in us going for him. We'd be trading assets plus taking a gamble on a $7m x 7. Too rich.

I really think if there's an offer sheet this summer and Rossi isn't signed by July, then he'll be the odds on favorite for some team to throw money at him with an offer sheet.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I am curious if Rossi is willing to take a bridge somewhere else. Based on his playoff usage, I wouldn't want a bridge in Minnesota, but maybe after discussing with another team, he'd feel more confident in getting usage that would prove his worth, setting himself up for a big contract after the bridge. It'll be interesting to see how that situation plays out.

 

[MissouriMook]

I understand the timing of the issue given his NTC kicks in on July 1, but for those who are "eager" to trade Kyrou (not necessarily those who are just "willing under the right circumstances") please note the following:

Top 2 goal scorers 2024-2025 regular season
Jordan Kyrou - 36
Dylan Holloway - 26

Top 2 goal scorers 2023-2024 regular season
Jordan Kyrou - 31
Pavel Buchnevich - 27

Top 2 goal scorers 2022-2023 regular season
Jordan Kyrou - 37
Pavel Buchnevich - 26

For the last three years, he has led this team in goals scored, with two of the three years seeing second place 10 or more goals behind. He's not Brett Hull in that he is unlikely to challenge the league lead in goal scoring in the future, but I find it odd that there are people that think it would be good for the team, or at least no big deal, to move him off the roster. And we're supposed to believe that its OK because a trifecta of 23 and under guys are going to pick up the slack, two of which have less than 100 NHL games under their belt?

I'm not saying he's untouchable, but you need to be winning that trade pretty significantly (think an under-30 2C that could eventually challenge Thomas for 1C, or an under-30 established top pairing RHD) and you had better have a plan for replacing his goal scoring with someone who is not yet on the roster. Otherwise, you're almost certainly taking a step back on your way to taking multiple steps forward, and this team is currently poised to make improvements every year on their way to Cup contention. Kyrou may not be a "glue guy" in the conventional sense, but he's a guy that is far and away the best player on your current roster at one of the most important skills in the game, and you can't just let that go without a clear plan to replace that skill in the short-term, not just the long-term. Once you take a step back, there is no guarantee that you regain your momentum for moving forward.

 

[WeWentBlues]

Just seems like kind of a lateral move from Buffalo's perspective. Of course it's rumored that Peterka doesn't want to sign there, so they're gonna have to move him one way or another. But considering their depth chart already has Thompson, Quinn and Tuch on RW, I'm guessing that's not what they would want back if trading Peterka.

Unless Tuch was sent here as part of the return? They could then move JJP and Byram in separate deals to fill out their roster. In all likelihood, Tuch is probably not someone they would consider moving even though he only has 1 year left on his deal. He's from NY and is planning to extend in Buffalo long term by all accounts. He only has a 5 team NTC so he likely wouldn't be able to block a trade to St. Louis but also would not likely extend here.

What insurances/sweeteners would you want on a Kyrou for Tuch swap if you are the Blues? From Buffalo's POV, they would be getting a RW back of similar age (27 vs 29) and similar production (70-80 pts) already signed to a good surplus value contract with 5 years remaining vs. extending Tuch who has already indicated he wants to re-sign there and already has shown chemistry with current teammates. Given their need for RHD, would they have interest in Faulk? Could take back Clifton back as a cap dump. Maybe a swap of 1st round picks and prospect? Typed all of that to just realize it's not a good idea for either team.