2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

[Linkens Mastery]

Kyrou to Buffalo for Peterka and the 9th oa

Peterka is an upgrade to Kyrou imo but Kyrou's contract gives the Blues more value in the trade

How is He an upgrade? He's a pass first player coming to a team where we need more pure shooters while trading our top goal scorer. I mean we can always pass the other team into submission.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

How is He an upgrade? He's a pass first player coming to a team where we need more pure shooters while trading our top goal scorer. I mean we can always pass the other team into submission.

The 9oa is the value.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

The 9oa is the value.

"Peterka is an Upgrade to Kyrou" that is what was said. I'm asking how he's an upgrade. He doesn't score more goals, he has less points. He is younger yes, but even in his 23 year old season Kyrou scored more goals and assists.

Cool, I get we some how get a 9th overall pick. i dont see any damn way Buffalo does that. But thats besides the point.

And on top of all of that we're still not getting a Defenseman or a Center and we're blowing our best trade asset to get one of those two options on another winger and a lottery ticket.

 

[Beninnola]

If the golden knights acquire Marner then Olofsson or Roy maybe available.

If Kyrou were moved for Dobson and the Knights acquire Marner then the Blues could want both guys Vegas may not be able to afford; Olofsson as a low cost middle 6 rw, Roy to be the new Faksa.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

"Peterka is an Upgrade to Kyrou" that is what was said. I'm asking how he's an upgrade. He doesn't score more goals, he has less points. He is younger yes, but even in his 23 year old season Kyrou scored more goals and assists.

Cool, I get we some how get a 9th overall pick. i dont see any damn way Buffalo does that. But thats besides the point.

And on top of all of that we're still not getting a Defenseman or a Center and we're blowing our best trade asset to get one of those two options on another winger and a lottery ticket.

I agree that it’s not a worthy trade, but, in that trade, the 9oa is the value.

For the record, I don’t want Peterka.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I agree that it’s not a worthy trade, but, in that trade, the 9oa is the value.

For the record, I don’t want Peterka.

I just don't see how that trade is any real possibility at all. If the Blues shared "Blues have Traded 23 Year old Player 65 point player and a Top 10 Pick for a 26 year old 70 point player" I would be absolutely livid. And I don't see how it works for us with our current circumstances. We have no real goal scoring threat outside of Kyrou outside of a bunch of 21-23 year olds who are not fully top 6 NHL ready.


This is a trade we do if we are trying to rebuild, every single thing that Armstrong has said and done these past 6 months have pointed to the exact opposite of that. He has even straight up said something along the lines of "we are no longer in the stage for acquiring assets, we are now trying to turn those assets into a winning team"

 

[ChicagoBlues]

I just don't see how that trade is any real possibility at all. If the Blues shared "Blues have Traded 23 Year old Player 65 point player and a Top 10 Pick for a 26 year old 70 point player" I would be absolutely livid. And I don't see how it works for us with our current circumstances. We have no real goal scoring threat outside of Kyrou outside of a bunch of 21-23 year olds who are not fully top 6 NHL ready.


This is a trade we do if we are trying to rebuild, every single thing that Armstrong has said and done these past 6 months have pointed to the exact opposite of that. He has even straight up said something along the lines of "we are no longer in the stage for acquiring assets, we are now trying to turn those assets into a winning team"

That’s cool. I’m usually terrible at discerning value in trades, so….there’s that.

I’m really impressed when some of you come up with some trade idea that is close to what really happens.

 

[Beninnola]

josh Norris for Dylan cozens is all you need as evidence.

It just happened

Cozens has:

Higher pedigree - 7th oa
Taller - 6’3”
Bigger - 203lbs
Higher single season points
Multi 80+ game seasons
More term
Is younger


And was traded for the other guy who has half a dozen surgeries

Sometimes the value is that you have to trade the guy and you get what you get. It’s about other things than the true value of the player. Oshie for Brouwer.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Kyrou to Buffalo for Peterka and the 9th oa

Peterka is an upgrade to Kyrou imo but Kyrou's contract gives the Blues more value in the trade

I don’t see what you would base it off of that Peterka can come in and instantly find chemistry with Kyrou.

I also don’t see why we’d entertain that as a group after how much stress is put on Kyrous off puck play and defensive game. JJPs is much worse.

 

[MissouriMook]

Hypothetically if a Kyrou for Dobson type deal came through.

What’s the next move? Trust bolduc with more opportunity/responsibility? Go after Boeser? Would be interesting to see what would happen up front especially with our need for 2C not changing

I think the bolded is why a Kyrou for Dobson deal doesn’t work. You have to be able to replace him with a proven goal scorer, but you have to move Kyrou before you can be sure you have your replacement because Kyrou’s NTC kicks in on July 1.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I think the bolded is why a Kyrou for Dobson deal doesn’t work. You have to be able to replace him with a proven goal scorer, but you have to move Kyrou before you can be sure you have your replacement because Kyrou’s NTC kicks in on July 1.

But do you? Even without kyrou, top 5 wingers are Buchy, Holloway, Neighbours, snuggy, and Bolduc. Each of those guys could well put up 20+. Texas or Joseph as 6th winger this season seems fine if we can upgrade 3c.

 

[greybush314]

Some of you are wrong about Peterka. Sure he hasn't been as strong defensively as Kyrou finally turned out to be this year but he's better now than Kyrou had ever been in his career. Peterka is also way more engaged in the offensive zone than Kyrou. He actually hunts the puck and doesn't shy away from contact. And someone called him a pass first player when he would have been 3rd on the Blues in shots this year and 2nd last year. And he's excelling on the most dysfunctional hockey team in the NHL. He can also play LW which would balance our lines a bit and let Buchnevich move back to RW where he prefers to play.

Sign Dante Fabbro and pick up a middle 6 center that's hopefully an upgrade over Schenn but definitely over Sundqvist. Once we put Krug on LTIR and trade off Leddy, Texier and Joseph we'll have plenty of cap space to get everything done.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Some of you are wrong about Peterka. Sure he hasn't been as strong defensively as Kyrou finally turned out to be this year but he's better now than Kyrou had ever been in his career. Peterka is also way more engaged in the offensive zone than Kyrou. He actually hunts the puck and doesn't shy away from contact. And someone called him a pass first player when he would have been 3rd on the Blues in shots this year and 2nd last year. And he's excelling on the most dysfunctional hockey team in the NHL. He can also play LW which would balance our lines a bit and let Buchnevich move back to RW where he prefers to play.

Sign Dante Fabbro and pick up a middle 6 center that's hopefully an upgrade over Schenn but definitely over Sundqvist. Once we put Krug on LTIR and trade off Leddy, Texier and Joseph we'll have plenty of cap space to get everything done.

Just because he would he 3rd on the team of players who the majority of the team is past first doesn't make him any less pass first player.

I dont see how he's "better than Kyrou had ever been" Kyrou the guy you are trying to kick to the curb has multiple 30 goal seasons and two of which have been 36 and 36 while leading the team in goals over the past three years by over 30 goals and leads the team in shots by 287 shots over that timeframe.

And again we are using our best trade piece for another f***ing winger when we have wingers out the wazoo when we need a center or a defenseman. At least Dobson makes sense for what the team actually needs. Peterka makes absolutely none.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

But do you? Even without kyrou, top 5 wingers are Buchy, Holloway, Neighbours, snuggy, and Bolduc. Each of those guys could well put up 20+. Texas or Joseph as 6th winger this season seems fine if we can upgrade 3c.

That's a lot of pressure to put on 21-23 year old 1st-2nd year players going into the final year of a GMs tenure where he wants to compete.

"Hey we traded the guy who led the team in goals the past 3 years, didn't get anyone else to help score goals so good luck. Oh, and it's my last year so you better make a deep run to the playoffs too"

 

[MortiestOfMortys]

How is He an upgrade? He's a pass first player coming to a team where we need more pure shooters while trading our top goal scorer. I mean we can always pass the other team into submission.

I disagree with this. Between Bolduc, Snuggerud, and Dvorsky, half of our top 6 will be guys who can absolutely hammer the puck within the next few years. Are any of them putting up 80+ points next year? No. But I think at least 2/3 have that as a realistic ceiling. Robert Thomas is really the only pure, elite playmaker we have. That was one of our issues against WPG, in fact. And when Thommer went down at the beginning of the season, the wheels fell off because nobody else has his elite vision.

I'm not even talking about the merits of a Kyrou for JJP-9OA trade. But our need for playmakers is one reason why I think Pekarcik has a sneaky good chance of making this team at some point.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I disagree with this. Between Bolduc, Snuggerud, and Dvorsky, half of our top 6 will be guys who can absolutely hammer the puck within the next few years. Are any of them putting up 80+ points next year? No. But I think at least 2/3 have that as a realistic ceiling. Robert Thomas is really the only pure, elite playmaker we have. That was one of our issues against WPG, in fact. And when Thommer went down at the beginning of the season, the wheels fell off because nobody else has his elite vision.

I'm not even talking about the merits of a Kyrou for JJP-9OA trade. But our need for playmakers is one reason why I think Pekarcik has a sneaky good chance of making this team at some point.

In the next few years doesn't help us when we are going to try to compete next year. Snuggerud and Bolduc can hammer it, but they are young and will go through growing pains like all young players do. If we are trading Kyrou we need to bring someone immediately to replace his goals. We were middle of the pack offensive team last year. Removing Kyrou and if all of Holloway, Buch, Neighbours, and Bolduc produce roughly the same and Snuggerud scores just 20 goals we will have a bottom 1/5 in the league offense.

 

[TruBlueFan1970]

I’m all for Dobson, but not for Kyrou. Love Bolduc, but would be willing to deal him, one of Jiricek/Ralph and #19OA and Leddy (cap purposes and only 1 year left) for a signed Dobson. One more year of Schenn at 2C will not be great, but maybe they find someone short term like a Pageau. That would help us have some combo of:

Neighbours/Buch - Thomas - Snuggs
Kyrou - Schenn/? - Holloway
Neighbours/Buch - Schenn/? - Joseph/Tex
Walker - Sunny/Dean/Alexandrov/? - Toro

Fowler (1 more year) - Parayko
Broberg - Dobson
Tucker - Faulk
Kessel

Krug on LTIR, and one of Tex/Joseph gone. I think the space works, even with Dobson at $9-10m AAV.

 

[MortiestOfMortys]

In the next few years doesn't help us when we are going to try to compete next year. Snuggerud and Bolduc can hammer it, but they are young and will go through growing pains like all young players do. If we are trading Kyrou we need to bring someone immediately to replace his goals. We were middle of the pack offensive team last year. Removing Kyrou and if all of Holloway, Buch, Neighbours, and Bolduc produce roughly the same and Snuggerud scores just 20 goals we will have a bottom 1/5 in the league offense.

Maybe, maybe not. You never know how guys are going to gel with each other. Maybe JJP is a more of a multiplier with Holloway and Schenn than Kyrou is. The fact that JJP is putting up the numbers he is on a team like Buffalo is reason enough to be intrigued.

Either way, when we talk about improving the lineup it really depends a lot on what time frame you're talking about. The things you do that are right for the team next year are not always going to be the same things that are right for the team long-term. I've said it elsewhere, but if we wanted to really maximize the window for guys like Parayko, Binner, and Schenn (who are the last remnants of the 2019 core), we should have treated the last 5 years a lot differently. We didn't, and that's a shame, but to me it's time to focus on the next window. We steered the ship in that direction last year, and changing course now because we made the playoffs feels indecisive and panicky. So making moves solely in service of "competing next year" are maybe not the best moves for the team in 2027-2028, given the age of the incoming core. And I care more about that Blues team being successful than I do about making the second round next year.

 

[greybush314]

In the next few years doesn't help us when we are going to try to compete next year. Snuggerud and Bolduc can hammer it, but they are young and will go through growing pains like all young players do. If we are trading Kyrou we need to bring someone immediately to replace his goals. We were middle of the pack offensive team last year. Removing Kyrou and if all of Holloway, Buch, Neighbours, and Bolduc produce roughly the same and Snuggerud scores just 20 goals we will have a bottom 1/5 in the league offense.

Peterka only had 9 less goals and 2 less points than Kyrou last year. And that was playing on a terrible team. Also Snuggerud and Holloway were never in the lineup together so our scoring depth is far greater than last year. So Kyrou's goals will be made up and then some

 

[TruBlueFan1970]

Maybe, maybe not. You never know how guys are going to gel with each other. Maybe JJP is a more of a multiplier with Holloway and Schenn than Kyrou is. The fact that JJP is putting up the numbers he is on a team like Buffalo is reason enough to be intrigued.

Either way, when we talk about improving the lineup it really depends a lot on what time frame you're talking about. The things you do that are right for the team next year are not always going to be the same things that are right for the team long-term. I've said it elsewhere, but if we wanted to really maximize the window for guys like Parayko, Binner, and Schenn (who are the last remnants of the 2019 core), we should have treated the last 5 years a lot differently. We didn't, and that's a shame, but to me it's time to focus on the next window. We steered the ship in that direction last year, and changing course now because we made the playoffs feels indecisive and panicky. So making moves solely in service of "competing next year" are maybe not the best moves for the team in 2027-2028, given the age of the incoming core. And I care more about that Blues team being successful than I do about making the second round next year.

I agree. I would be very happy with JJP + as a return for Kyrou. Their point totals last year were similar, and JJP has been ascending the last two years with 28 and 27 goals, with his assist total rising this past season. While roughly the same size, JJP is more of a battler for the puck. He's not a hitter, but neither is Kyrou. I just hate the compete level that Kyrou shows when he's not in the open ice.

The + would be where this trade would need to show some value. I highly doubt they relinquish #9OA in the deal. However, would they be willing to give up Konsta Helenius (former #14 overall) in the trade. He looks to be a very solid center prospect, where we are thin, and was drafted two spots ahead of Jiricek. If they won't do that deal, could we swing where they include McCleod as well and we send back Jiricek or a prospect like Jecho/Stancl/Kaskimaki along with #19OA if absolutely needed to seal the deal with McCleod? Either way, I think there is something that could be worked out with a team like Buffalo, as they have many players that meet our needs. JJP would help fill the Kyrou void at about 80-90% scoring wise, and hopefully would have the same type chemistry with Holloway, while bringing a higher level of compete. The + could fill a future or current center need if they would go for Helenius or McCleod.

 

[MortiestOfMortys]

I agree. I would be very happy with JJP + as a return for Kyrou. Their point totals last year were similar, and JJP has been ascending the last two years with 28 and 27 goals, with his assist total rising this past season. While roughly the same size, JJP is more of a battler for the puck. He's not a hitter, but neither is Kyrou. I just hate the compete level that Kyrou shows when he's not in the open ice.

The + would be where this trade would need to show some value. I highly doubt they relinquish #9OA in the deal. However, would they be willing to give up Konsta Helenius (former #14 overall) in the trade. He looks to be a very solid center prospect, where we are thin, and was drafted two spots ahead of Jiricek. If they won't do that deal, could we swing where they include McCleod as well and we send back Jiricek or a prospect like Jecho/Stancl/Kaskimaki along with #19OA if absolutely needed to seal the deal with McCleod? Either way, I think there is something that could be worked out with a team like Buffalo, as they have many players that meet our needs. JJP would help fill the Kyrou void at about 80-90% scoring wise, and hopefully would have the same type chemistry with Holloway, while bringing a higher level of compete. The + could fill a future or current center need if they would go for Helenius or McCleod.

I agree that BUF has a lot of pieces we could use. I just don't know what Kyrou in particular does for them. Do they think Kyrou can turn their franchise around? That's a lot of faith to put in a guy that doesn't even wear a letter for us. TBH, I don't know if we have anything they want.

They have goalie issues, but Devon Levi is a legit prospect, so idk if they need/want a guy like Hofer. They have a D-corps that's too young, but idk if any of our expendable vets (Leddy, Faulk) are the kinds of guys that can come in and add stability to their room with the term they have left. They could use veteran forwards that can bring culture to the locker room, and really the only guy we have that fits that bill now is Schenn, maybe Buch. If Schenn is the one leaving, then yeah McLeod better be coming back, since Center isn't an area of strength for us. Kyrou is a bit ahead of their forwards in his career, and at least has playoff experience, so maybe he is someone they could use. It would feel pretty similar to the Jeff Skinner trade, and idk if that went well enough that they're eager to go down that road again.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Just because he would he 3rd on the team of players who the majority of the team is past first doesn't make him any less pass first player.

I dont see how he's "better than Kyrou had ever been" Kyrou the guy you are trying to kick to the curb has multiple 30 goal seasons and two of which have been 36 and 36 while leading the team in goals over the past three years by over 30 goals and leads the team in shots by 287 shots over that timeframe.

And again we are using our best trade piece for another f***ing winger when we have wingers out the wazoo when we need a center or a defenseman. At least Dobson makes sense for what the team actually needs. Peterka makes absolutely none.

Right. I like Peterka, but we don’t need him.

 

[Xerloris]

If the golden knights acquire Marner then Olofsson or Roy maybe available.

If Kyrou were moved for Dobson and the Knights acquire Marner then the Blues could want both guys Vegas may not be able to afford; Olofsson as a low cost middle 6 rw, Roy to be the new Faksa.

Why do we need a new Faksa when we're still gonna have the original Faksa?

 

[Spektre]

Why do we need a new Faksa when we're still gonna have the original Faksa?

Faksa is a free agent

 

[Xerloris]

Faksa is a free agent

And Armstrong already said he's going to work on keeping him.