2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

[BleedBlue14]

He's braindead defensively. All offense no defense. Remind you of someone? That's right, Faulk. Dobson is not the answer. I don't give a damn if he scored 50 points if he can't play defense. And for damn sure isn't worth the 9mil cap he'll be asking for.

I don't disagree, and at some point you can't hope to fix the problem, but he has the tools to be able to do so. The issue is the Islanders are such a structured team I don't know if it's better elsewhere

 

[Vladys Gumption]

If you were Ottawa, you wouldn’t take Kyrou + Dvorsky + 2026 1st for Brady Tkachuk? That doesn’t seem too forced. Sens were bounced in 6, but Brady had 4 goals, 3 assists, and was +2. Kyrou is -12 in 28 career playoff games. Playoffs have less space and more physicality than the regular season. $8 mil ain’t a bargain if you put up stats in the regular season only to be meh in the playoffs. Dak Prescott-esque. Lol.

Why on earth would we tack two premium assets on top of Kyrou? That’s pretty ridiculous. I’d be open to a deal around Brady for Kyrou plus something else. But Dvorsky absolutely would not be the plus.

 

[TheDizee]

2025 playoffs:

- Nathan Walker: 3 goals, 1 assist, +5
- Jordan Kyrou: 3 goals, 0 assists, -4

Rouzy ain’t got the grit for playoff hockey.

I know Army likes forward pairs …. but Snuggerud, who just finished college (14 NHL games), has surpassed Kyrou as RW1.

And don't forget, 2 of those goals came on the PP where nobody was within 15 feet of him. His goal last night even Tony twist could have scored but I'll give him credit for going to the net.

What a infuriating stat. I truly cannot wait until he is gone. If he isn't, Monty is on borrowed time before Captain fortnite butt floss dances his way to another coach fired.

 

[TheDizee]

If you were Ottawa, you wouldn’t take Kyrou + Dvorsky + 2026 1st for Brady Tkachuk? That doesn’t seem too forced. Sens were bounced in 6, but Brady had 4 goals, 3 assists, and was +2. Kyrou is -12 in 28 career playoff games. Playoffs have less space and more physicality than the regular season. $8 mil ain’t a bargain if you put up stats in the regular season only to be meh in the playoffs. Dak Prescott-esque. Lol.

He will fit in wonderfully in Buffalo. No need to worry about playoffs and can focus on scoring highlight reel goals for TikTok player of the week awards.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

If you were Ottawa, you wouldn’t take Kyrou + Dvorsky + 2026 1st for Brady Tkachuk? That doesn’t seem too forced. Sens were bounced in 6, but Brady had 4 goals, 3 assists, and was +2. Kyrou is -12 in 28 career playoff games. Playoffs have less space and more physicality than the regular season. $8 mil ain’t a bargain if you put up stats in the regular season only to be meh in the playoffs. Dak Prescott-esque. Lol.

It's forcing a dumbass trade to force a dumbass trade. All because for some reason this fanbase is obsessed with the son of a a dude that was one of the biggest chokers in our franchises history. You're blowing your entire f***ing load of assets to provide a minor upgrade in a position of strength and ignoring the 2 positions you actually need to f***ing pay attention to.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

I could see Army being interested in a guy like Marco Rossi who seems to have fallen out of favor in Minnesota for whatever reason despite some decent production. I think that type of target is much more realistic than these Elias Peterson proposals or X UFA who will command big dollars.

Rossi is a good option. EP is not.

 

[JMarks3]

It's forcing a dumbass trade to force a dumbass trade. All because for some reason this fanbase is obsessed with the son of a a dude that was one of the biggest chokers in our franchises history. You're blowing your entire f***ing load of assets to provide a minor upgrade in a position of strength and ignoring the 2 positions you actually need to f***ing pay attention to.

Matthew Tkachuk, who has a Cup, is who Army should have landed originally. Brady being a 6'4" power forward who will go to the net sounds amazing. Dallas has that with Rantanen. We know what Kyrou is at this point.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Matthew Tkachuk, who has a Cup, is who Army should have landed originally. Brady being a 6'4" power forward who will go to the net sounds amazing. Dallas has that with Rantanen. We know what Kyrou is at this point.

Brady isn't Matthew or Rantanen nowhere close.

 

[TheDizee]

It's forcing a dumbass trade to force a dumbass trade. All because for some reason this fanbase is obsessed with the son of a a dude that was one of the biggest chokers in our franchises history. You're blowing your entire f***ing load of assets to provide a minor upgrade in a position of strength and ignoring the 2 positions you actually need to f***ing pay attention to.

If this team wants to win a cup, they need to get through 4 grueling rounds of hockey where board battles will be required to be won, physical strength to not be sneezed on and be pushed off the puck is a given and a second gear is needed when a strong push is required to tie a game or win it.

Kyrou displayed and has displayed over the past 4 seasons now that he is not only incapable of doing these things, he has no desire or interest in doing it. That is why Chief called him and Thomas out for not caring. That is why when Kyrou signed his contract, JR reported how many inside the locker room at that time felt he did not deserve that contract as he was unproven still as he never had been "the guy", he was behind people like 91/90/57 and getting favorable matchups by going up against teams 2nd/3rd lines/pairs and 2nd PP unit.

Thomas has stepped up and while I feel he can hit another level as well still, I have no questions about any of the things I mentioned above. Kyrou has not answered the questions and after 4 years, it is now becoming obvious to more and more people that the things I have been saying about this creampuff for years now is true. I warned everyone and it is still right there in the contract signing thread here about how that was a TON of money for him and many people here were comparing him to Patrick Kane.

He is no Patrick Kane, not even close. Kane puts up PPG playoff numbers against teams top checking and TOP LINES. Kyrou cannot.

Faulk and Kyrou both MUST & WILL GO.

 

[Reality Czech]

You’re trying to have a logical conversation about Kyrou with these people? In about 18 months he and Thomas are going to have two of the best contracts in the league. The only way moving Kyrou is even on the map is for a top flight, established defenseman.

Did you see Kyrou in the playoffs? Thomas' contact is already a steal but Kyrou has a ways to go to achieving that. The two aren't even in the same league as NHL players. One is a true line driver and playmaker who makes his linemates better while the other is a supporting player who needs a specific type of linemate to excel. Not to mention the type of game that is neutralized in the playoffs.

That is ridiculous. Jordan Kyrou has scored over 30 goals each of the last few years. I like Snuggerud a lot but can we wait until he scores 20 in a year. This is just typical post elimination hysteria. There has to be someone to blame, there has to be someone whose head rolls. There really doesn't, if GMs had emotional responses like this their teams would be in a never ending rebuilds. There is no such thing as a perfect player without flaws. Jordan Kyrou undoubtedly has some but people just overlook that 35 goals and 70 points he put up this year. We get rid of him, who replaces that?

For the love of god, the Dizee's of this board are multiplying at an alarming rate, posters incapable of complex thought. Cutting one's nose off to spite one's face. Just be patient, we don't need a lot of moves just the right moves at the right time and I can not say it enough. PATIENCE.

When all else fails, let's insult the people who have a different opinion. This debate "tactic" is becoming all too common these days and I thought you were better than that. No one should take Dizee seriously anymore though many still seem to, but lumping all Kyrou criticism into one pile is lazy.

The fact is our co-highest paid player didn't step up when we needed him most. No one is saying get rid of him just for the sake of it but his name should be fair game for discussion.

 

[Xerloris]

I don't understand why so many people are obsessed with Dobson. He's a 50 point defenseman who can't play defense and is going to ask for 9 mil.

He's braindead defensively. All offense no defense. Remind you of someone? That's right, Faulk. Dobson is not the answer. I don't give a damn if he scored 50 points if he can't play defense. And for damn sure isn't worth the 9mil cap he'll be asking for.

Do you have anything to back this up? I don't watch the islanders so this is a legit question. Also, Faulk is not defense or offense so that comparison is bad.

 

[Blanick]

Did you see Kyrou in the playoffs? Thomas' contact is already a steal but Kyrou has a ways to go to achieving that. The two aren't even in the same league as NHL players. One is a true line driver and playmaker who makes his linemates better while the other is a supporting player who needs a specific type of linemate to excel. Not to mention the type of game that is neutralized in the playoffs.



When all else fails, let's insult the people who have a different opinion. This debate "tactic" is becoming all too common these days and I thought you were better than that. No one should take Dizee seriously anymore though many still seem to, but lumping all Kyrou criticism into one pile is lazy.

The fact is our co-highest paid player didn't step up when we needed him most. No one is saying get rid of him just for the sake of it but his name should be fair game for discussion.

I have absolutely zero problem with people criticism of a player. I have done it, hell I have done it to Kyrou. That's not what we are seeing though, we are seeing crucifixion of a player. 90% of the post of the last 5+ pages of this thread is just this hivemind rage posting of the same shit over and over and over and over again. Post something other than elongated versions of "Kyrou sucks." The level of discussion on here has just nosedived in recent years.

 

[JMarks3]

I have absolutely zero problem with people criticism of a player. I have done it, hell I have done it to Kyrou. That's not what we are seeing though, we are seeing crucifixion of a player. 90% of the post of the last 5+ pages of this thread is just this hivemind rage posting of the same shit over and over and over and over again. Post something other than elongated versions of "Kyrou sucks." The level of discussion on here has just nosedived in recent years.

You just got Broberg and Fowler in the same season … Jiricek/Lindstein/Fischer + are coming to push Krug/Faulk/Leddy out the door. I’m not so sure Army can land a top-pairing D quite yet due to those rough contracts.

Kyrou is currently our best trade chip. Buchnevich is regressing (not quite yet to Kevin Hayes’ lead feet). B. Tkachuk would be a huge upgrade for the playoffs and give Schenn a break from having to always be the tough guy. Win or lose, Brady would be one of our own. You know the effort would always be there.

 

[Majorityof1]

Did you see Kyrou in the playoffs? Thomas' contact is already a steal but Kyrou has a ways to go to achieving that. The two aren't even in the same league as NHL players. One is a true line driver and playmaker who makes his linemates better while the other is a supporting player who needs a specific type of linemate to excel. Not to mention the type of game that is neutralized in the playoffs.



When all else fails, let's insult the people who have a different opinion. This debate "tactic" is becoming all too common these days and I thought you were better than that. No one should take Dizee seriously anymore though many still seem to, but lumping all Kyrou criticism into one pile is lazy.

The fact is our co-highest paid player didn't step up when we needed him most. No one is saying get rid of him just for the sake of it but his name should be fair game for discussion.

Kyrou had as many points as the captain of the team Schenn, and a better +/-. Where is your Schenn criticism? Your fair, unbiased even-handed assessment of those two players is staggering to behold. I won't go into advanced stats because I know you hate those but it paints a worse picture for Schenn.

Kyrou could have played much better. But sometimes a poor playoff is just a cold snap, and not a sign of a consistent poor playoff performer. Every player over the course of 90 games will have slumps where they don't score a ton. We can't say he is a bad playoff performer. You may forget, this is only the 2nd playoffs since Kyrou broke out. We made it his first 2 years, and then he had 9 points in 12 games his 3rd year. Then we missed for 2 years. So we cannot say he is bad in the playoffs. We have 2 sample sizes when he was a top 6 player. One was good, this one less so. But he still has more points, goals, point per game and goal per game than any Blue not named Thomas over the course of the season+ playoffs. And it's not even close.

Blanick didn't insult anyone. He said the statement was ridiculous because the statement was ridiculous. Snuggerud passed Kyrou on the depth chart because of a 7-game sample size where Snuggerud was the worst defensive player on the team by a country mile and had one more point because he was stapled to the best player on our team? Give me a break. Nobody who is objective believes that.

And the lumping of criticism into one pile is because there is pretty good evidence that it is one pile. Same talking points, same posting style, same verbiage, posts and likes each other posts at the same times. It is not difficult at all to have multiple accounts on here. One for the phone on free email address #1 and one for the tablet on free email address #2.

 

[JMarks3]

Kyrou had as many points as the captain of the team Schenn, and a better +/-. Where is your Schenn criticism? Your fair, unbiased even-handed assessment of those two players is staggering to behold. I won't go into advanced stats because I know you hate those but it paints a worse picture for Schenn.

Kyrou could have played much better. But sometimes a poor playoff is just a cold snap, and not a sign of a consistent poor playoff performer. Every player over the course of 90 games will have slumps where they don't score a ton. We can't say he is a bad playoff performer. You may forget, this is only the 2nd playoffs since Kyrou broke out. We made it his first 2 years, and then he had 9 points in 12 games his 3rd year. Then we missed for 2 years. So we cannot say he is bad in the playoffs. We have 2 sample sizes when he was a top 6 player. One was good, this one less so. But he still has more points, goals, point per game and goal per game than any Blue not named Thomas over the course of the season+ playoffs. And it's not even close.

Blanick didn't insult anyone. He said the statement was ridiculous because the statement was ridiculous. Snuggerud passed Kyrou on the depth chart because of a 7-game sample size where Snuggerud was the worst defensive player on the team by a country mile and had one more point because he was stapled to the best player on our team? Give me a break. Nobody who is objective believes that.

And the lumping of criticism into one pile is because there is pretty good evidence that it is one pile. Same talking points, same posting style, same verbiage, posts and likes each other posts at the same times. It is not difficult at all to have multiple accounts on here. One for the phone on free email address #1 and one for the tablet on free email address #2.

Schenn makes less money and has more responsibility. In fairness, he's likely best suited now for 3C.

Army and Montgomery gave Snuggerud the keys (maybe promised in negotiations?). He obviously doesn't yet have Kyrou's point totals (14 games), but he sure wasn't RW2 or RW3 in the playoffs. Top liner with Thomas.

 

[Blanick]

You just got Broberg and Fowler in the same season … Jiricek/Lindstein/Fischer + are coming to push Krug/Faulk/Leddy out the door. I’m not so sure Army can land a top-pairing D quite yet due to those rough contracts.

Kyrou is currently our best trade chip. Buchnevich is regressing (not quite yet to Kevin Hayes’ lead feet). B. Tkachuk would be a huge upgrade for the playoffs and give Schenn a break from having to always be the tough guy. Win or lose, Brady would be one of our own. You know the effort would always be there.

Broberg was a "perfect storm" off sheet and Fowler was though of a depth piece that badly needed a change of scenery. Nobody thought he would be this good. This the kind of shrewd move that we hope Army can make more of next year. The young defense coming is part of the reason why I preach patience, we are not a true contender yet. Let's get these kids here and up to speed, find out who is going to succeed and who is going to fall short and then we can start searching for that final piece.

I don't see Kyrou as a trade chip, his chemistry with Holloway was real. There was a point where that line was the most lethal in the NHL before his injury. I want to play that out more, try some different centers between them, maybe Thomas, maybe Dvorsky and see what happens. I have been a vocal critic of Buchnevich over the past few years but have come to accept that he is likely here for the length of that contract. I really want to see him moved off of Thomas' wing, as I believe their "chemistry" is completely overstated.

I would like to see the Blues use their 1st this year (pretty weak draft IMO) + some depth pieces/prospects to acquire a young RHD prospect to bring up alongside our next wave. A couple of names I really like are Nemec, Willander and Morrow but won't try to guess as to what it would take to acquire them.

Lastly, the fantasy of obtaining a Tkachuk needs to die, there is zero evidence that one is available. Ottawa made the playoffs and seem to be on the rise overall, that was the one "hang-up" that Brady reportedly had. He is their captain and will likely play out the extent of that contract.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Matthew Tkachuk, who has a Cup, is who Army should have landed originally. Brady being a 6'4" power forward who will go to the net sounds amazing. Dallas has that with Rantanen. We know what Kyrou is at this point.

How exactly do we beat the offer that Florida gave Calgary?

Are you wanting to trade Parayko and Thomas and a 1st for him?

Rantanen isn't a guy that regularly goes to the net, but he is 6'4, not sure what that matters.

 

[Blanick]

Schenn makes less money and has more responsibility. In fairness, he's likely best suited now for 3C.

Army and Montgomery gave Snuggerud the keys (maybe promised in negotiations?). He obviously doesn't yet have Kyrou's point totals (14 games), but he sure wasn't RW2 or RW3 in the playoffs. Top liner with Thomas.

Playing on the top line and being a "top liner" are two very different things. Snuggerud was playing on the top line but if you think he was playing like a top liner you're just wrong. The kid has a ton of promise, I am a fan but lets pump the brakes a bit. Shiny new toy syndrome.

There is also a part of me that wants to bookmark this so we can come back in visit it in 5 years when the same criticism being levied at Kyrou now is then being directed at Snuggerud in the future.

 

[BleedBlue14]

If this team wants to win a cup, they need to get through 4 grueling rounds of hockey where board battles will be required to be won, physical strength to not be sneezed on and be pushed off the puck is a given and a second gear is needed when a strong push is required to tie a game or win it.

Kyrou displayed and has displayed over the past 4 seasons now that he is not only incapable of doing these things, he has no desire or interest in doing it. That is why Chief called him and Thomas out for not caring. That is why when Kyrou signed his contract, JR reported how many inside the locker room at that time felt he did not deserve that contract as he was unproven still as he never had been "the guy", he was behind people like 91/90/57 and getting favorable matchups by going up against teams 2nd/3rd lines/pairs and 2nd PP unit.

Thomas has stepped up and while I feel he can hit another level as well still, I have no questions about any of the things I mentioned above. Kyrou has not answered the questions and after 4 years, it is now becoming obvious to more and more people that the things I have been saying about this creampuff for years now is true. I warned everyone and it is still right there in the contract signing thread here about how that was a TON of money for him and many people here were comparing him to Patrick Kane.

He is no Patrick Kane, not even close. Kane puts up PPG playoff numbers against teams top checking and TOP LINES. Kyrou cannot.

Faulk and Kyrou both MUST & WILL GO.

Where is the blame on who Kyrou was playing with 80% of the series?

 

[JMarks3]

Broberg was a "perfect storm" off sheet and Fowler was though of a depth piece that badly needed a change of scenery. Nobody thought he would be this good. This the kind of shrewd move that we hope Army can make more of next year. The young defense coming is part of the reason why I preach patience, we are not a true contender yet. Let's get these kids here and up to speed, find out who is going to succeed and who is going to fall short and then we can start searching for that final piece.

I don't see Kyrou as a trade chip, his chemistry with Holloway was real. There was a point where that line was the most lethal in the NHL before his injury. I want to play that out more, try some different centers between them, maybe Thomas, maybe Dvorsky and see what happens. I have been a vocal critic of Buchnevich over the past few years but have come to accept that he is likely here for the length of that contract. I really want to see him moved off of Thomas' wing, as I believe their "chemistry" is completely overstated.

I would like to see the Blues use their 1st this year (pretty weak draft IMO) + some depth pieces/prospects to acquire a young RHD prospect to bring up alongside our next wave. A couple of names I really like are Nemec, Willander and Morrow but won't try to guess as to what it would take to acquire them.

Lastly, the fantasy of obtaining a Tkachuk needs to die, there is zero evidence that one is available. Ottawa made the playoffs and seem to be on the rise overall, that was the one "hang-up" that Brady reportedly had. He is their captain and will likely play out the extent of that contract.

I definitely understand the patience portion, but if you wait too long ... then you have to replace guys like Binnington (31), Parayko (31), Schenn (33), Fowler (33), etc.. You're always chasing. If you have a chance at more hockey trades, go for it. I think the bad contracts of Krug (2 UFA)/Faulk (2 UFA)/Leddy (1 UFA) have pushed our real window out by another 1-2 years.

 

[TheDizee]

Where is the blame on who Kyrou was playing with 80% of the series?

Schenn & Neighbors? They all out produced him while playing a much grittier and physical game.

He makes 8 million, he needs to be a driver, not a freeloader waiting for other people to carry him. No compete factor with him, just a total pushover.

 

[Blanick]

I definitely understand the patience portion, but if you wait too long ... then you have to replace guys like Binnington (31), Parayko (31), Schenn (33), Fowler (33), etc.. You're always chasing. If you have a chance at more hockey trades, go for it.

Most elite goaltenders play well into their late 30s so not that worried about Binnington.

For the rest you're right most of these guys will move into support/mentor roles as they age, the important thing is to have the right young players in place to hand the reigns over to.

Schenn will move down the lineup as he continues to age, his contract ending at the age of 37, where he will either move on or retire.

Parayko will be 33-34 around the time that I see our window truly opening again, given his skating ability I think he would still be effective as a top 4 at that time.

As for Fowler we need to see what he wants to do when his contract expires but if he is willing to re-sign at a 1 or 2 year contract I think you run him until the wheels fall off or he gets surpassed by the glut of defenseman we have coming on the left side.

 

[JMarks3]

How exactly do we beat the offer that Florida gave Calgary?

Are you wanting to trade Parayko and Thomas and a 1st for him?

Rantanen isn't a guy that regularly goes to the net, but he is 6'4, not sure what that matters.

Seemed like Kyrou and Parayko would have been enough, but we heard Thomas was part of the ask. In fairness, with what Army did to the roster, I don't think Matty Tkachuk would have accelerated our arc exponentially. We're in a place now though where Brady would with his style of play and passion.

2024-25 season:

- Huberdeau (28G, 34A) - Kyrou (36G, 34A)
- Weager (8G, 39A) - Parayko (16G, 20A)
- Schwindt (1G, 7A)
- 1st

 

[BleedBlue14]

Seemed like Kyrou and Parayko would have been enough, but we heard Thomas was part of the ask. In fairness, with what Army did to the roster, I don't think Matty Tkachuk would have accelerated our arc exponentially. We're in a place now though where Brady would with his style of play and passion.

2024-25 season:

- Huberdeau (28G, 34A) - Kyrou (36G, 34A)
- Weager (8G, 39A) - Parayko (16G, 20A)
- Schwindt (1G, 7A)
- 1st

You’re he’s ily cherry-picking. Huberdeau had a 100 point season the year of the trade or the year before. I don’t think points matter a whole bunch for defenseman. But Parayko wasn’t having one of his high end years at that time.

 

[TheDizee]

Seemed like Kyrou and Parayko would have been enough, but we heard Thomas was part of the ask. In fairness, with what Army did to the roster, I don't think Matty Tkachuk would have accelerated our arc exponentially. We're in a place now though where Brady would with his style of play and passion.

2024-25 season:

- Huberdeau (28G, 34A) - Kyrou (36G, 34A)
- Weager (8G, 39A) - Parayko (16G, 20A)
- Schwindt (1G, 7A)
- 1st

To get M Tkachuk a few years ago, we would have needed to dump either Tarasenko or Krug at the time to get the cap space needed to fit him in.

It would have been something along the lines of: Blues 1st (maybe 2), Kyrou, & Tarasenko OR Krug. As we all know, Krug would never waive his NTC and I think it was a full NTC at the time as well. So realistically it would have required Tarasenko going that way as well. Tarasenko was coming off one of his best seasons in 2022 but I think we all knew there was trouble between him and Army brewing.

It is a shame we could not have gotten M Tkachuk and gotten rid of Kyrou in the process. But hopefully we will get Brady and be able to right that wrong.