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2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

Ok. You’ve traded your top prospect, first, and scoring winger to upgrade slightly at wing. Still need a top 4 defenseman and top 6 center, except now you can’t even hope Dvorsky develops into that, and have traded your 3 most valuable trade chips. Now what?

Sam Bennett or Matt Duchene in for Dvorsky. Stenberg could also potentially be 3C.

Tkachuk-Thomas-Snuggerud
Holloway-Bennett-Bolduc
Buchnevich-Schenn-Neighbours
Toropchenko-Sundqvist-Walker

Joseph/Texier/Stenberg

Do what you need to on defense. Ekblad will cost too much. Dahlin would fetch a haul. Maybe one of the young guys from Montreal (Reinbacher/Mailloux)?

Jiricek/Fischer/Scheneuman/Lindstein/Loof/Ralph/Burns/Buchinger/Malmstrom in the system. If you keep your 2025 1st, would love one of Mrtka or Fiddler. If you don’t go D, Cullen Potter could be your new Kyrou.
 
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Kyrou's compete level in Game 7 was brutal. So torn about what to do with him. He made great strides this year playing the right way and has elevated his game in playoffs before. Think that hit from Stanley had lingering effects.

Trade protection aside, I'd be looking to move Buch first but that isn't happening. Moving Kyrou is equally unlikely but the Blues have until 7/1 to decide.
 
As others have stated, Faulk needs to go. He’s probably great in the room, great guy, but his average to below average hockey IQ has lost us games. We need an upgrade.
 
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And I’m fully in favor of trading this year’s first for an upgrade at RHD (over Faulk) or a 2C - obviously combined with other assets. If there’s a deal to be made, do it. I don’t want to wait 5 years for this year’s 1st rounder to make an impact (assuming there’s an impact at all). We need to take advantage of Thomas’ prime over the next 5 years.
 
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Wasn't Holloway at one time thought of as a center prospect, who moved to wing to adjust to the NHL? I could be very wrong, but I though he played Center in Jr.

If so, he is further along in he development - couldn't he be an internal fix and we go outside the organization to find the RHD solution?
 
Kyrou's compete level in Game 7 was brutal. So torn about what to do with him. He made great strides this year playing the right way and has elevated his game in playoffs before. Think that hit from Stanley had lingering effects.

Trade protection aside, I'd be looking to move Buch first but that isn't happening. Moving Kyrou is equally unlikely but the Blues have until 7/1 to decide.
He did make strides this year which means his value has never been higher. He still has no second gear like Holloway has. The hit was like 2 weeks ago at this point. And if a single hit is going to take someone off their game, that's not someone I want on the blues where you will need a 2 month grind off physicality to win it all.

Imagine if Paul Kariya, a similar size and speed player, played scared after Stevens crushed him. Think Kyrou would ever come back and play like Paul did in that cup game?

Berube got ran out of town in large part due to him. It's time for him to go now too. You don't trade him for peanuts but he has to go before that NTC kicks in.
 
There are a lot of knee jerk reactions in this thread. Several posters are advocating dumping this player or that player with no coherent plan of who to target or how that makes us better.

Trade Faulk. OK, I can get behind that. I've been a vocal critic of his since the trade. But who plays 2RD? If addition by subtraction were a thing, why didn't we just scratch him?

If you are advocating trading X player that plays significant minutes with no plan on how to replace those minutes, your plan sucks.

We just had the best record in hockey over 2 or so months and took the President's Trophy winner to the brink. I didn't think this team had it in them but they showed they did. We absolutely need to get better, but not by cutting people or paying big for a small upgrade for the sake of a preferred playstyle or video game played in their free time.

We need to deal from a position of strength (cap and young wingers) to improve areas of weakness (Faulk and Sunny/Schenn) while also future proofing our roster by keeping/gaining prospects that can replace our older players. Getting rid of Faulk or Kyrou or whoever with nothing of need in return does not help.
 
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Wasn't Holloway at one time thought of as a center prospect, who moved to wing to adjust to the NHL? I could be very wrong, but I though he played Center in Jr.

If so, he is further along in he development - couldn't he be an internal fix and we go outside the organization to find the RHD solution?
We tried him at Center throughout the year.
But he was FAR more productive playing opposite Kyrou. To the point where that tandem made Schenn look like a passable #2 center for the second half of the season.
Personally, I might give that another look once Stenberg starts knocking on the door(not sure how we fit him into the top 9 otherwise) but I think the first option is to keep that spot warm for Dvorsky.
 
Our lack of offensive IQ at the blue line and overall puck poise was, in my opinion, the single biggest reason we lost this series. Had we advanced, I think the middle-six would’ve been exposed further, but that still takes a backseat to the issues on defense.

I'm curious if we’ll hear anything about Leddy. He looked almost identical to how he did early in the season. Pure speculation, but if it's the same injury, I have to wonder about his long-term health.

As for the middle-six, 81/25 is a lethal combo. As we saw, they can elevate whoever is at their pivot. The criteria there is really someone semi-responsible defensively, and capable of reading the play at an average level. The Center we bring in there isn't so much about upgrading Schenn—it’s about upgrading Sundqvist. That’s the bar. I’d prefer addressing that spot in free agency over trading for a legit 2C, but the market is thin. I like Duchene, but so do 15+ other teams. Nelson is likely a top target for Minnesota. Granlund and Bennett will want (and probably get) too much AAV and term. Roslovic isn’t a pure center but offers upside. Tavares brings a lot—including a faceoff win rate just behind Thomas in the regular season—but feels like a longshot.

The flip side to pursuing a free-agent center is that this playoff run might push the organization to fast-track their path to contention by trading for a top center, with Dvorsky likely at the core of any such deal. If they have doubts about him hitting, that’s the move to make. I trust they’ll be decisive if it comes to that.

On defense, names like Ekblad, Grzelcyk, and Provorov are out there. They each bring some offensive tools, and I’d welcome one of them—especially if we can move on from Faulk and/or Leddy—but none truly fill the hole on our blue line. What we really lack is a high-end, mobile offensive defenseman. That type of player fits Monty’s system much better than it did Berube’s, and we just don’t have anyone like that in the system right now, aside from Jiricek—and he’s still a ways off.
 
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Sam Bennett or Matt Duchene in for Dvorsky. Stenberg could also potentially be 3C.

Tkachuk-Thomas-Snuggerud
Holloway-Schenn-Bolduc
Buchnevich-Bennett-Neighbours
Toropchenko-Sundqvist-Walker

Joseph/Texier/Stenberg

Do what you need to on defense. Ekblad will cost too much. Dahlin would fetch a haul. Maybe one of the young guys from Montreal (Reinbacher/Mailloux)?

Jiricek/Fischer/Scheneuman/Loof/Ralph/Burns/Buchinger/Malmstrom in the system. If you keep your 2025 1st, would love one of Mrtka or Fiddler. If you don’t go D, Cullen Potter could be your new Kyrou.
Bennett is going to be an awfully expensive 3C that commands some sort of NTC/NMC in UFA. Regardless neither he nor Duchene fill the longer term position that Dvorsky (or a non-Tkachuk trade) fills which is 2c that pushes Schenn down the lineup as he ages.

Mailloux is not a guy I’d target, again, if you’re trading a bundle for Tkachuk you are having to further mortgage future pieces to pry a young defenseman away from another team like MTL or Williander from VAN. It just doesn’t make any sense to splash that trade package on a winger when it is unquestionably where the Blues are strongest in the immediate and long term. I’ve also yet to hear why Ottawa is trading Tkachuk for Kyrou (whom 1/3 of this board tells me is a choking dog) a mid-first and a prospect, when they feel their window to contention is just opening. None of it makes any sense beyond people wanting Brady here because of the last name.
 
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There are a lot of knee jerk reactions in this thread. Several posters are advocating dumping this player or that player with no coherent plan of who to target or how that makes us better.

Trade Faulk. OK, I can get behind that. I've been a vocal critic of his since the trade. But who plays 2RD? If addition by subtraction were a thing, why didn't we just scratch him?

If you are advocating trading X player that plays significant minutes with no plan on how to replace those minutes, your plan sucks.

We just had the best record in hockey over 2 or so months and took the President's Trophy winner to the brink. I didn't think this team had it in them but they showed they did. We absolutely need to get better, but not by cutting people or paying bug for a small upgrade for the sake of a preferred playstyle or video game played in their free time.

We need to deal from a position of strength (cap and young wingers) to improve areas of weakness (Faulk and Sunny/Schenn) while also future proofing our roster by keeping/gaining prospects that can replace our older players. Getting rid of Faulk or Kyrou or whoever with nothing of need in return does not help.
My '1st day of summer' assessment is that our 2nd line was a bigger weakness than our 2nd D pair. And more specifically, our 2nd line center was a bigger weakness than our 2nd pair RD. I love Schenn's battle and he's a damn good vet. But he was glaringly outmatched as a 2C all series. I thought just about every winger we tried with him played noticeably worse with him than on other lines. He was 'good enough' between Holloway and Kyrou in the back half of the regular season and deserves credit for elevating his game. But he was clearly the passenger on that line and without Holloway got badly exposed in the playoffs.

In my perfect world, we upgrade at 2C and 2RD without losing Schenn so he can slide in as the 3C next year. But I'm much, much, much less comfortable with him at 2C for 2025/26 than I would be with Faulk at 2RD. And without actually bringing in a damn good player for each role, I don't think we improve by simply getting rid of either.
 
The needs haven't changed. If we're truly going to contend we need a 2C and a top 4 RD. It was the same entering this season and the same now.

The difference is that the roster around those positions is significantly better than I expected it to be at this stage, which is definitely encouraging.
 
Sam Bennett or Matt Duchene in for Dvorsky. Stenberg could also potentially be 3C.

Tkachuk-Thomas-Snuggerud
Holloway-Schenn-Bolduc
Buchnevich-Bennett-Neighbours
Toropchenko-Sundqvist-Walker

Joseph/Texier/Stenberg

Do what you need to on defense. Ekblad will cost too much. Dahlin would fetch a haul. Maybe one of the young guys from Montreal (Reinbacher/Mailloux)?

Jiricek/Fischer/Scheneuman/Loof/Ralph/Burns/Buchinger/Malmstrom in the system. If you keep your 2025 1st, would love one of Mrtka or Fiddler. If you don’t go D, Cullen Potter could be your new Kyrou.
Bennett is going to be way too expensive and that contact will likely age very poorly, on board with Duchene but could see him taking a sweetheart deal to stay in Dallas. Stenberg definitely needs another year in Springfield so I don't consider him an option next season.
 
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Sam Bennett or Matt Duchene in for Dvorsky. Stenberg could also potentially be 3C.

Tkachuk-Thomas-Snuggerud
Holloway-Schenn-Bolduc
Buchnevich-Bennett-Neighbours
Toropchenko-Sundqvist-Walker

Joseph/Texier/Stenberg

Do what you need to on defense. Ekblad will cost too much. Dahlin would fetch a haul. Maybe one of the young guys from Montreal (Reinbacher/Mailloux)?

Jiricek/Fischer/Scheneuman/Loof/Ralph/Burns/Buchinger/Malmstrom in the system. If you keep your 2025 1st, would love one of Mrtka or Fiddler. If you don’t go D, Cullen Potter could be your new Kyrou.
Stenberg hasn't played center regularly in 3 years(it'd be great if Springfield transitioned him back to center next season, but they didn't seem inclined to do that once he came over).
You have to look at him exclusively as a winger at this point. And he's going to need at least 2 offseason's to get up to an NHL weight.
 
The needs haven't changed. If we're truly going to contend we need a 2C and a top 4 RD. It was the same entering this season and the same now.

The difference is that the roster around those positions is significantly better than I expected it to be at this stage, which is definitely encouraging.
The Blues need to determine if Dvorsky can develop into a 2C. They could move Hollaway to 2C and have Schenn play LW on the 2nd line with him and Kyrou. This would allow Dvorsky to play 3rd line center and maybe they move Sunny to 4th line C and don't resign Faksa.
 
As others have stated, Faulk needs to go. He’s probably great in the room, great guy, but his average to below average hockey IQ has lost us games. We need an upgrade.
Faulk is a 3rd pairing defenseman, 16-18 minute guy who needs to be sheltered. His hockey IQ, as you stated, is terrible. I made a post before the series that his puck decisions would cost the team in the playoffs...it was unavoidable with how much responsibility he's given. He should never step foot on the power play. Broberg needs to be given that chore on PP 2. He can still be useful in a lesser role and I think we're stuck with him for one more year with his contract so Armstrong needs to do what he can to minimize how his usage negatively impacts the team.
 
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Faksa should not be brought back. He was great and we thank him for his great play but some team is going to overpay for him.

If the Blues want a depth forward, they should sign Trent Frederic. He has way more upside, skill and he fits the age bracket of the core. He is also a STL kid, so he would be running people over for the Note just like other people who love the city or are from here have done.
 
My '1st day of summer' assessment is that our 2nd line was a bigger weakness than our 2nd D pair. And more specifically, our 2nd line center was a bigger weakness than our 2nd pair RD. I love Schenn's battle and he's a damn good vet. But he was glaringly outmatched as a 2C all series. I thought just about every winger we tried with him played noticeably worse with him than on other lines. He was 'good enough' between Holloway and Kyrou in the back half of the regular season and deserves credit for elevating his game. But he was clearly the passenger on that line and without Holloway got badly exposed in the playoffs.

In my perfect world, we upgrade at 2C and 2RD without losing Schenn so he can slide in as the 3C next year. But I'm much, much, much less comfortable with him at 2C for 2025/26 than I would be with Faulk at 2RD. And without actually bringing in a damn good player for each role, I don't think we improve by simply getting rid of either.
If not for the production from the 4th line, I think this would be the main takeaway from the series.

We need to stop penciling Dvorsky in as 2c or 3c for the immediate future. I expect him to get there, but there is a competitive window opening NOW and he won’t be effective there for a couple years.

I underestimated the Fowler trade. He’s got more years in the tank than I had appreciated. I wonder what other similar moves Armstrong has kicked the tires on.
 
My '1st day of summer' assessment is that our 2nd line was a bigger weakness than our 2nd D pair. And more specifically, our 2nd line center was a bigger weakness than our 2nd pair RD. I love Schenn's battle and he's a damn good vet. But he was glaringly outmatched as a 2C all series. I thought just about every winger we tried with him played noticeably worse with him than on other lines. He was 'good enough' between Holloway and Kyrou in the back half of the regular season and deserves credit for elevating his game. But he was clearly the passenger on that line and without Holloway got badly exposed in the playoffs.

In my perfect world, we upgrade at 2C and 2RD without losing Schenn so he can slide in as the 3C next year. But I'm much, much, much less comfortable with him at 2C for 2025/26 than I would be with Faulk at 2RD. And without actually bringing in a damn good player for each role, I don't think we improve by simply getting rid of either.

I agree the 2nd line is a big weakness, but would it have been with Holloway on it or would it have been a strength?

Schenn is not ideal, but I think he would have been fine if we had Holloway. To me, the issue has been Faulk all year. I think, if I just could fix 1 spot, it would be RHD.
 
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I agree the 2nd line is a big weakness, but would it have been with Holloway on it or would it have been a strength?

Schenn is not ideal, but I think he would have been fine if we had Holloway. To me, the issue has been Faulk all year. I think, if I just could fix 1 spot, it would be RHD.
The issuse is Schenn and Sunny both slotted a spot too high in the lineup (I don't think Sunny should even leave the press box but i digress)
 
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Monster deal with Vancouver to fix both our biggest needs? Would be a gamble, but i think i do it, plenty of upside.

EP + Willander
For
Kyrou + Dvorsky + 2025 1st
 
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Monster deal with Vancouver to fix both our biggest needs? Would be a gamble, but i think i do it, plenty of upside.

EP + Willander
For
Kyrou + Dvorsky + 2025 1st

I get what you’re doing, but before I move Dvo, I want to see him play a full year with the Blues. I want to assess what we have in him first. I didn’t want any regrets in 2-3 years.
 
My '1st day of summer' assessment is that our 2nd line was a bigger weakness than our 2nd D pair. And more specifically, our 2nd line center was a bigger weakness than our 2nd pair RD. I love Schenn's battle and he's a damn good vet. But he was glaringly outmatched as a 2C all series. I thought just about every winger we tried with him played noticeably worse with him than on other lines. He was 'good enough' between Holloway and Kyrou in the back half of the regular season and deserves credit for elevating his game. But he was clearly the passenger on that line and without Holloway got badly exposed in the playoffs.

In my perfect world, we upgrade at 2C and 2RD without losing Schenn so he can slide in as the 3C next year. But I'm much, much, much less comfortable with him at 2C for 2025/26 than I would be with Faulk at 2RD. And without actually bringing in a damn good player for each role, I don't think we improve by simply getting rid of either.


I may split hairs with you on whether Schenn elevated his game, or it was simply elevated because of Kyrou and Holloway. I thought Schenn played better than the previous season.

In my perfect world the Blues move Schenn to the wing where he belongs. He's never had great vision or playmaking abilities a center should have. Let him get in on the forecheck as a wing. He could ride wing along with Bolduc to break Dvorsky into the league.

If we're keeping with perfect worlds, Leddy, Faulk, Joseph, and Texier need to be off the roster.
 
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Sam Bennett or Matt Duchene in for Dvorsky. Stenberg could also potentially be 3C.

Tkachuk-Thomas-Snuggerud
Holloway-Bennett-Bolduc
Buchnevich-Schenn-Neighbours
Toropchenko-Sundqvist-Walker

Joseph/Texier/Stenberg

Do what you need to on defense. Ekblad will cost too much. Dahlin would fetch a haul. Maybe one of the young guys from Montreal (Reinbacher/Mailloux)?

Jiricek/Fischer/Scheneuman/Lindstein/Loof/Ralph/Burns/Buchinger/Malmstrom in the system. If you keep your 2025 1st, would love one of Mrtka or Fiddler. If you don’t go D, Cullen Potter could be your new Kyrou.

Do you know how unlikely it is that we could sign either Bennett or Duchene? Bennett is probably fairly likely if we're wanting to give him a whopper of a contract, personally I wouldn't want to do that. Duchene I think will have his pick of where he wants to go, doubt he wants to go to a 2nd tier team in the central who's a couple years away from hitting their stride.
 
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