2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

[MissouriMook]

Blues should definitely stay away from Nelson of he makes it to Free Agency

I thought he was a bad fit for the Avs, but I could see him as a buy low 2C/3C candidate if we miss out on younger/better targets, especially if we can get him on a 1-2 year deal at $4 million or less. Not much speed, but I think he’s a better fit stylistically for how we play. Not sure how much longer he’ll be a 50-60 point player.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I thought he was a bad fit for the Avs, but I could see him as a buy low 2C/3C candidate if we miss out on younger/better targets, especially if we can get him on a 1-2 year deal at $4 million or less. Not much speed, but I think he’s a better fit stylistically for how we play. Not sure how much longer he’ll be a 50-60 point player.

I just dont see him as a fit with his lower footspeed. With who we would be playing him with. Plus I don't really have any excitement over what his contract asks will be.

 

[StLewis11]

I just dont see him as a fit with his lower footspeed. With who we would be playing him with. Plus I don't really have any excitement over what his contract asks will be.

Agree...a bad fit with our speedy wingers

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Agree...a bad fit with our speedy wingers

Neither Holloway-Nelson-Kyrou or Bolduc-Nelson-Snuggy/Neighbours really gives me any excitement maybe 3 years ago Nelson would be different.

 

[LetsGoBooze]

All I am going to say is I am really glad Army is our GM and not some of the people posting in this thread lately.

Preach. Some of these takes are wild. Wanting to mortgage multiple high end young pieces for 29 and 30 year olds. Disgusting.

Now if we can find a hockey trade for a 26 yearold or younger, that fills a need, im all for it. I dont expect all our prospects to hit their ceiling, nor all end up Blues in the end. Some shuffling will occur. But trading multiple pieces for an older guy is an absolute no go. We can find vets other ways, and a lot cheaper i.e Fowler.

 

[WeWentBlues]

Preach. Some of these takes are wild. Wanting to mortgage multiple high end young pieces for 29 and 30 year olds. Disgusting.

Now if we can find a hockey trade for a 26 yearold or younger, that fills a need, im all for it. I dont expect all our prospects to hit their ceiling, nor all end up Blues in the end. Some shuffling will occur. But trading multiple pieces for an older guy is an absolute no go. We can find vets other ways, and a lot cheaper i.e Fowler.

The list of centers under 26 that could be available and that would be an upgrade is incredibly short.

 

[Mike Liut]

The list of centers under 26 that could be available and that would be an upgrade is incredibly short.

We’ll probably have to go with another vet in his late 20’s

 

[LetsGoBooze]

The list of centers under 26 that could be available and that would be an upgrade is incredibly short.

Think about our moves for ROR or Schenn, we've done it multiple times this past decade bringing a guy in during his prime that are real difference makers. If we cant find a deal like that, we bring in a bozak type, to bridge to Dvorsky in a couple years. We have plenty of options of how to build out a more complete team, none of which should be trading 2-3 young elite assets for almost 30 yearolds.

 

[Mike Liut]

Think about our moves for ROR or Schenn, we've done it multiple times this past decade bringing a guy in during his prime that are real difference makers. If we cant find a deal like that, we bring in a bozak type, to bridge to Dvorsky in a couple years. We have plenty of options of how to build out a more complete team, none of which should be trading 2-3 young elite assets for almost 30 yearolds.

Agree. Nothing wrong with 2-3 year vet stop gaps if the price is the right. Not every acquisition has to be for a young core player. Those are expensive and hard to come by.

 

[kimzey59]

Think about our moves for ROR or Schenn, we've done it multiple times this past decade bringing a guy in during his prime that are real difference makers. If we cant find a deal like that, we bring in a bozak type, to bridge to Dvorsky in a couple years. We have plenty of options of how to build out a more complete team, none of which should be trading 2-3 young elite assets for almost 30 yearolds.

My problem with that is that I'm sure we really need a "couple years".
Dvorsky's going to be on the team next year.
Look how fast Snuggy's making an impact. Look how long it took State Farm(27 goals in his second season). Look what Bolduc has done as a rookie.

In today's NHL, it typically does NOT take 3 years toiling in the minors or on the lower lines before a young player starts to really contribute. That is old school thinking that is no longer relevant in today's NHL.

I do not see it taking 2-3 years before Dvorsky can handle a middle-6 center spot. I'm not even sure it going to take him 2 years. I don't want to sign anyone that is going to gum up the works with Dvorksy. Meaning; even a 2 year deal is probably too long IMO. Unless the idea is to transition this mystical mid-6 center to the forth line in relatively short order(and of these potential mid-6 center options; how many are actually going to be amicable to that?), I'd rather just bite the bullet with Dvorsky and let him learn on the fly.

I am absolutely not in favor of trading for a near 30 year old center.
And I'm even less in favor of giving a 3 year contract to a near 30 year old UFA.
If we really feel like we absolutely HAVE to go after another center, find somebody that you can get on a 1 year deal(Giroux or Gourde for example). But I'm not interested in anybody with ANY kind of term attached to them unless they're going to be a long term Core piece. We need to turn this team over to the kids.

 

[Mike Liut]

My problem with that is that I'm sure we really need a "couple years".
Dvorsky's going to be on the team next year.
Look how fast Snuggy's making an impact. Look how long it took State Farm(27 goals in his second season). Look what Bolduc has done as a rookie.

In today's NHL, it typically does NOT take 3 years toiling in the minors or on the lower lines before a young player starts to really contribute. That is old school thinking that is no longer relevant in today's NHL.

I do not see it taking 2-3 years before Dvorsky can handle a middle-6 center spot. I'm not even sure it going to take him 2 years. I don't want to sign anyone that is going to gum up the works with Dvorksy. Meaning; even a 2 year deal is probably too long IMO. Unless the idea is to transition this mystical mid-6 center to the forth line in relatively short order(and of these potential mid-6 center options; how many are actually going to be amicable to that?), I'd rather just bite the bullet with Dvorsky and let him learn on the fly.

I am absolutely not in favor of trading for a near 30 year old center.
And I'm even less in favor of giving a 3 year contract to a near 30 year old UFA.
If we really feel like we absolutely HAVE to go after another center, find somebody that you can get on a 1 year deal(Giroux or Gourde for example). But I'm not interested in anybody with ANY kind of term attached to them unless they're going to be a long term Core piece. We need to turn this team over to the kids.

Would you trade for another ROR or Schenn at the time of their trades?

 

[kimzey59]

Would you trade for another ROR or Schenn at the time of their trades?

Not at this time.
I want to give the kids every chance to take ownership of our offense before looking for outside help.
IF I make a trade, it's to address the long term situation on defense(specifically meaning top pairing capable RHD).

 

[Mike Liut]

Not at this time.
I want to give the kids every chance to take ownership of our offense before looking for outside help.
IF I make a trade, it's to address the long term situation on defense(specifically meaning top pairing capable RHD).

That’s a fair take. I agree that another top 4 RD is priority #1, but I think a 2C is priority #2. If Army can address both of the needs, we’d be legit cup contenders.

 

[MortiestOfMortys]

Fair enough. I see him as another EDM guy that didn’t get a chance to excel behind their stars and vets. Holloway was expected to be a 3rd line guy and he broke out when given the chance. So has McCleod in my opinion. Put Kyrou and Holloway on his wings and he might excel. And you have to give to get. I don’t think BUF gives him up for that package to be honest.

I think you are both vastly overvaluing Larkin and especially McLeod, and severely undervaluing our own assets. "You have to give to get" does not mean you have to trade everything you have to get anything of value back.

 

[TruBlueFan1970]

I think you are both vastly overvaluing Larkin and especially McLeod, and severely undervaluing our own assets. "You have to give to get" does not mean you have to trade everything you have to get anything of value back.

Appreciate the discussion. However, Brandon Carlo got Fraser Minten, a 1st and a 4th, and he’s a middle 6 defender. Top 6 centers are REALLY hard to find in a trade, especially those 28 and under. I may be overvaluing those two a touch, but a package of Dvorsky (biggest piece), Jiricek (get value out of him while you still can) and what will be the 19th pick in a somewhat weak draft does not seem like an overpay, especially for Larkin. Now, if they want us to add, then we need to be getting something else back. I mentioned Neighbours, but maybe it’s a different player and we would need to be getting back real value.

I know I’ve been lit up over this proposal, but I think McCleod or Larkin would be game changers on this team. And while it would hurt to lose Dvorsky, the rest are just futures to me. If people think we are getting a top 6 center (in a trade) for less than this, they should research some recent trades, or prepare to overpay for one in free agency.

 

[Xerloris]

Not at this time.
I want to give the kids every chance to take ownership of our offense before looking for outside help.
IF I make a trade, it's to address the long term situation on defense(specifically meaning top pairing capable RHD).

Schenn was 25 when we traded for him. Why would you not trade for him now if he was 25?

 

[BleedBlue14]

Oh wow, The guy who's main attribute is speed is stuck with two slow f***s in Schenn and Neighbours. I wonder why he can't generate shit 5v5. Maybe the same f***ing reason he couldn't generate with Schenn and Saad.

it's odd to me that anyone could've watched the 2nd half of this season and think that trading Kyrou while we have Holloway is a remotely good idea.

 

[kimzey59]

Schenn was 25 when we traded for him. Why would you not trade for him now if he was 25?

Because I'm not in favor of "trading" for something that we already have in house, and I still have faith in Dvorsky.
Give the kid a legit shot first.

 

[Xerloris]

Because I'm not in favor of "trading" for something that we already have in house, and I still have faith in Dvorsky.
Give the kid a legit shot first.

Seems like trading for a 25 year old version of someone we know for a fact can play 2C on a cup winning team would be more advantageous than holding onto magic beans.

 

[Mike Liut]

Because I'm not in favor of "trading" for something that we already have in house, and I still have faith in Dvorsky.
Give the kid a legit shot first.

I’d love Dvo as 3C and have another legit 2C. Schenn will eventually be the 4C for the duration of his contract when that time comes. He’s earned it imo and his leadership is important

 

[TheDizee]

I want Kyrou gone.
I want Faulk gone.

I do not care what you get back for them, although Kyrou will not be traded for peanuts. Futures is perfectly fine.

But they both must go. I am tired of watching Kyrou get sneezed on and lose puck battles. I am tired of watching him coast with the puck instead of skate. He is a soft player and a shit leopard cannot change its spots.

 

[LetsGoBooze]

Agreed on Kyrou. We should really look for a hockey trade for him. Holloway will make anyone better he plays with, im not worried about him losing chemistry with a trade. Kyrou just isnt gonna win us any playoff games and its better to move him before his no trade clause kicks in. He cant win puck battles, and gets pushed off the puck way to easily. Hopefully we can find a suitor, and use him as capital to fill a major need.

 

[TheDizee]

Agreed on Kyrou. We should really look for a hockey trade for him. Holloway will make anyone better he plays with, im not worried about him losing chemistry with a trade. Kyrou just isnt gonna win us any playoff games and its better to move him before his no trade clause kicks in. He cant win puck battles, and gets pushed off the puck way to easily. Hopefully we can find a suitor, and use him as capital to fill a major need.

B Tkachuk for Kyrou + Faulk.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

B Tkachuk for Kyrou + Faulk.

Ottawa isn't trading Brady. Get over it.

 

[Spektre]

If Faulk can’t be traded, please buy him out. If a young guy makes mental mistakes every game, chalk it up to inexperience.

Faulk must place bets on the opponent every f***ing game.

He’s easily my most disliked player since Chris Stewart.

Every time the camera zooms in on Faulk’s face I swear he’s thinking, how can I possibly f*** up the game more than I already have.