I push back against this strongly. Thomas was on pace for 95 points over a full 82 game season. Our system doesn't hold back offense.
And I push back against your push back strongly. Our implemented systems generally require sound defense and not getting into barn burners. But it's also about those highly-paid, "elite" stars that other teams build around, that score 90-100+ points. If Thomas played in Edmonton or Toronto, he'd have over 100 points which further solidifies my argument. Of course just my opinion.
Your argument was that Marner would turn into a 75 point player here, that's what I'm pushing back against. And yes, it's much more about quality of teammates and linemates specifically. No doubt in my mind that Thomas would have a slight increase on his 95 point pace this season if he played with higher end talent. Your post was basically implying that Thomas is a far superior player than Marner because of how Thomas produces here and how you believe Marner produces here. Kyrou has also scored 70+ points 3 times here with a peak 83 point pace. If a swing exists, it would be nowhere near a 25 point one that you are implying.
You're the one making that argument because that's not what I said at all. I didn't say anything about who's better than who.
I respect the push back that such a swing is not 25 points. If it's 10-20 points then sure. If someone argues that it doesn't exist, then I flat out disagree. My argument was that a Marner-like comparable for moving EP from Vancouver to STL is a decrease in points, so no one should expect EP in STL to put up 100 points like he did two years ago. That's the intent behind the point there.
Do you disagree that Thomas produced at a 95 point pace this season? It's just silly to imply our system is comparable to something like Hitch's system. Even when Oshie went to Washington, he had a modest increase of around a 5 point pace.
Agreed on Larkin. The relationship between the player and the front office is fractured. Has it reached a point where Larkin will request a trade? I don't know but if I'm Army, I'm certainly calling Yzerman to find out.
I don't disagree because that's an objective statistic. Just like I can look up and say that Thomas had 32 points in 34 games from when Monty was hired and the 4 Nations break, then had 40 points in 26 games after that. Not sure what point you're trying to make about a point-pace. I'm also not comparing Monty's system to Hitchcock's. I'm not talking about a 60-point TJ Oshie either. For whatever reason that I cannot follow, you are.
If we did a deal like that, I'd try like hell to get one of their dmen added and make for a true homerun play. Buium/Wallinder...obviously we'd be adding some.
Have no idea who would be available, but for a true 2C or 2RD in the age range we want, all of Dvorsky, Jiricek, Stancl, Neighbours, Buch, Faulk and our 1st round in 2025 are on the table. While he pisses me off to no end, Kyrou is also available, but only in the right situation.
I'm not interested in Petey for the price that Vancouver would almost certainly demand to trade him. Vancouver isn't going to retain the amount of salary needed for me to be comfortable giving up a major haul of assets. And they also don't have any incentive to trade him for anything less than a haul of assets.
Yeah. As it's been discussed with him in the past, his salary doesn't really scare me with how the cap is going to raise, but it's the assets that they'd want. I'd have a fair amount of confidence that he slides in at a 85-95 point pace, so him as a player doesn't scare, but like you say, it's the trade assets. If Vancouver is just looking to make a deal and we'd get him at a discount, then fine, but I'm not expecting Vancouver to do that. I really don't know what Vancouver is going to do. I think they know Quinn isn't staying their long-term, so they are in a weird position.
I don't see any incentive for Detroit to do that. They don't need to include a prospect to get a haul for Larkin.
I think that their best bet is to do very little this summer and pray that a summer of non-rehab-limited training leads to Petey looking more like his old self next year. Make sure that the vast majority of Petey's minutes come while Hughes is also on the ice to boost his numbers as much as possible. If the team isn't in the playoff picture by February, then start exploring the trade market for literally everyone on the roster. If the team surprises and is in the playoff picture then let them have their run and then sell hard in the summer of 2026.
Agreed. I think they make some moderate moves like replacing Boeser, and next season will help them figure out how to handle Hughes and Pettersson. Can they still build around Pettersson? Is Hughes truly destined for Jersey? Do you move both for a haul and start over again?
Probably a good point when you're talking about a high end player like Larkin - I was leaning on the idea that they're truly logjammed on D, with lots of same-same in a division that's more and more resembling the physical WC style. One of them is likely to move this year for some help. Sometimes it's easier to make trades like that happen in a larger framework, but perhaps when you're talking someone of Larkin's caliber, it's a moot point.
