2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

[BlueDream]

I’m not sure how much players study other teams youth and prospect pool, but if I was a FA, I’d look pretty hard at the Blues. Great city, great fan base, great coach, great owners, great young core, very good prospect pool. Ok, where do I sign?

I think there is definitely something to be said about Jim Montgomery making this a more attractive destination.

There was an NHL player poll before the season and one of the questions was “which coach would you most want to play for?” Montgomery had the 3rd most votes, only behind Cooper and I forget the other one. It might have been Brind’Amour. So Monty is certainly well liked and respected. Bannister wasn’t doing that for us.

Even if it’s just a slight boost for free agents and trade targets, it helps. And if we’re back to being a consistent playoff team, we should be a pretty decent draw.

 

[Beninnola]

Huge Marner fan - struggle to see a realistic scenario where he ends up in STL

I think the potential is something like:

Missouri has a tax code that’s trending in the direction a Marner would like. We’re close-ish to contention. If we moved Kyrou we could maintain most of our identity while eating marners big cap hit.

Toronto imo will have a plan to protect themselves and likely deal Marner in a sign and trade prior to July 1 if it becomes clear that he’s going to market. In an effort similar to Torontos reported Rantanen Marner offer - they’d perhaps look at hockey trades. With Kyrou as an offer, perhaps we’re a fit. There will have been months of time where these discussions could have occurred - whether it’s Toronto seeing what the market is - or teams calling Toronto trying to get into position in the event there is a transaction. None of this should be a surprise or unplanned.

I think marners camp would benefit from the space that a hockey trade transaction creates, allowing Marner to get the big ufa deal without instant cap emergency on his new teams books. Very few teams can casually add 14 mil, so I think Marner would be incentivized/know he has to do a hockey trade sign and trade. I’d also imagine it allows teams who need to move a guy the avenue they need, which is more buyers to Torontos (and marners) table, meaning Toronto would want the hockey trade - lots of other reasons for them too such as filling their depth chart with a scoring winger. Lastly, all it takes is one - I’d have to guess that some team will look to nab Marner before everybody can, so I think you’ll have teams motivated to do this too.

Until I hear somebody like Friedman or strick or jr say we’re out like Tavares I think there’s a small outside chance it happens and that it happens prior to July 1 and it costs us Kyrou if we’re the team that wins the ordeal. I’m like… 50% expecting a Toronto extension, 50% expecting a surprise deal to somebody announced a few days before July with a pretty small chance that we’re the team. I think if you start thinking about places Marner could go and you add in that there may be a sign and trade where a player(s) can be cleared from the books then a lot of possibilities open up.

 

[MortiestOfMortys]

I'll go on record saying Marner will never be a Blue. Total pipe dream, won't happen.

 

[Spektre]

I like Kyrou overall but if I’m Army, I’m exploring trade options in the offseason.

If the return could be a Willander + type of deal, I’m pulling the trigger.

 

[LetsGoBooze]

I like Kyrou overall but if I’m Army, I’m exploring trade options in the offseason.

If the return could be a Willander + type of deal, I’m pulling the trigger.

Agreed, complete non-factor 5on5 in the playoffs. Holloway will be productive with anyone he plays with.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Oh wow, The guy who's main attribute is speed is stuck with two slow f***s in Schenn and Neighbours. I wonder why he can't generate shit 5v5. Maybe the same f***ing reason he couldn't generate with Schenn and Saad.

 

[TruBlueFan1970]

I think the potential is something like:

Missouri has a tax code that’s trending in the direction a Marner would like. We’re close-ish to contention. If we moved Kyrou we could maintain most of our identity while eating marners big cap hit.

Toronto imo will have a plan to protect themselves and likely deal Marner in a sign and trade prior to July 1 if it becomes clear that he’s going to market. In an effort similar to Torontos reported Rantanen Marner offer - they’d perhaps look at hockey trades. With Kyrou as an offer, perhaps we’re a fit. There will have been months of time where these discussions could have occurred - whether it’s Toronto seeing what the market is - or teams calling Toronto trying to get into position in the event there is a transaction. None of this should be a surprise or unplanned.

I think marners camp would benefit from the space that a hockey trade transaction creates, allowing Marner to get the big ufa deal without instant cap emergency on his new teams books. Very few teams can casually add 14 mil, so I think Marner would be incentivized/know he has to do a hockey trade sign and trade. I’d also imagine it allows teams who need to move a guy the avenue they need, which is more buyers to Torontos (and marners) table, meaning Toronto would want the hockey trade - lots of other reasons for them too such as filling their depth chart with a scoring winger. Lastly, all it takes is one - I’d have to guess that some team will look to nab Marner before everybody can, so I think you’ll have teams motivated to do this too.

Until I hear somebody like Friedman or strick or jr say we’re out like Tavares I think there’s a small outside chance it happens and that it happens prior to July 1 and it costs us Kyrou if we’re the team that wins the ordeal. I’m like… 50% expecting a Toronto extension, 50% expecting a surprise deal to somebody announced a few days before July with a pretty small chance that we’re the team. I think if you start thinking about places Marner could go and you add in that there may be a sign and trade where a player(s) can be cleared from the books then a lot of possibilities open up.

Kyrou will NEVER be a Leaf if Berube has any say.

 

[AyeBah]

Trade for Barzal and sign a D in FA. Trade/ buyout leddy and faulk, dump Tex and Joseph to have room for actual decent players and this team is contenders

 

[The Note]

I think the potential is something like:

Missouri has a tax code that’s trending in the direction a Marner would like. We’re close-ish to contention. If we moved Kyrou we could maintain most of our identity while eating marners big cap hit.

Toronto imo will have a plan to protect themselves and likely deal Marner in a sign and trade prior to July 1 if it becomes clear that he’s going to market. In an effort similar to Torontos reported Rantanen Marner offer - they’d perhaps look at hockey trades. With Kyrou as an offer, perhaps we’re a fit. There will have been months of time where these discussions could have occurred - whether it’s Toronto seeing what the market is - or teams calling Toronto trying to get into position in the event there is a transaction. None of this should be a surprise or unplanned.

I think marners camp would benefit from the space that a hockey trade transaction creates, allowing Marner to get the big ufa deal without instant cap emergency on his new teams books. Very few teams can casually add 14 mil, so I think Marner would be incentivized/know he has to do a hockey trade sign and trade. I’d also imagine it allows teams who need to move a guy the avenue they need, which is more buyers to Torontos (and marners) table, meaning Toronto would want the hockey trade - lots of other reasons for them too such as filling their depth chart with a scoring winger. Lastly, all it takes is one - I’d have to guess that some team will look to nab Marner before everybody can, so I think you’ll have teams motivated to do this too.

Until I hear somebody like Friedman or strick or jr say we’re out like Tavares I think there’s a small outside chance it happens and that it happens prior to July 1 and it costs us Kyrou if we’re the team that wins the ordeal. I’m like… 50% expecting a Toronto extension, 50% expecting a surprise deal to somebody announced a few days before July with a pretty small chance that we’re the team. I think if you start thinking about places Marner could go and you add in that there may be a sign and trade where a player(s) can be cleared from the books then a lot of possibilities open up.

A lot of that is all well and good but at the end of the day Marner will be commanding at least $12 million AAV, probably higher. I think he has every right to point at the Rantanen deal as the starting point. Add to that the fact he will be getting a NMC and the contract will most definitely contain big signing bonus amounts it just doesn’t seem like something the Blues will be in the market for.

 

[Xerloris]

I'll go on record saying Marner will never be a Blue. Total pipe dream, won't happen.

Most things we talk about will never happen.

I like Kyrou overall but if I’m Army, I’m exploring trade options in the offseason.

If the return could be a Willander + type of deal, I’m pulling the trigger.

What kind of plus are you hoping for to balance a trade between a yearly 30+ goal scorer and a prospect still in college?

Trade for Barzal and sign a D in FA. Trade/ buyout leddy and faulk, dump Tex and Joseph to have room for actual decent players and this team is contenders

Barzal just singed an 8 year extension at 9 mill a year before this season and I'm not well versed on him but he seems injury prone. As far as leddy, we will never buy a player out so best we can hope for is a trade and do you have a FA Dman in mind? Only one I can think of is Fabbro.

 

[Reality Czech]

Oh wow, The guy who's main attribute is speed is stuck with two slow f***s in Schenn and Neighbours. I wonder why he can't generate shit 5v5. Maybe the same f***ing reason he couldn't generate with Schenn and Saad.

Kyrou isn't a kid anymore, he has to take some responsibility on his own. People need to stop making excuses for him all the time.

 

[MortiestOfMortys]

What kind of plus are you hoping for to balance a trade between a yearly 30+ goal scorer and a prospect still in college?

The rights to Brock Boeser. They get younger and faster, we get tougher in the middle of the ice. They pony up Willander because they won’t sign him anyways and he makes up the RS scoring gap between BB and JK. Kyrou also has contract security, whereas BB doesn’t.

 

[Frenzy31]

The rights to Brock Boeser. They get younger and faster, we get tougher in the middle of the ice. They pony up Willander because they won’t sign him anyways and he makes up the RS scoring gap between BB and JK. Kyrou also has contract security, whereas BB doesn’t.

So a UFA.... And a good, but not elite D prospect for our 2nd best forard. I like Willander, but I think you are way selling JK short here.

I think Snugs will make BB redundant, so I have no idea of why are you even adding. There is no reason, Snugs. And while this does address the RHD position, it sure doesn't make us better next year. If you had said EP, I would atleast get it, but... but this is a trade to sell Kyrou and I think the value is terrible.

 

[AyeBah]

Most things we talk about will never happen.



What kind of plus are you hoping for to balance a trade between a yearly 30+ goal scorer and a prospect still in college?


Barzal just singed an 8 year extension at 9 mill a year before this season and I'm not well versed on him but he seems injury prone. As far as leddy, we will never buy a player out so best we can hope for is a trade and do you have a FA Dman in mind? Only one I can think of is Fabbro.

He signed that extension in 2022....Isles are probablt rebuilding after this management overhaul. Barzal Kyrou Holly would be fastest line in the NHL. Fabbro is the only one I like as well. Ekblad would be an overpayment.

 

[MortiestOfMortys]

So a UFA.... And a good, but not elite D prospect for our 2nd best forard. I like Willander, but I think you are way selling JK short here.

I think Snugs will make BB redundant, so I have no idea of why are you even adding. There is no reason, Snugs. And while this does address the RHD position, it sure doesn't make us better next year. If you had said EP, I would atleast get it, but... but this is a trade to sell Kyrou and I think the value is terrible.

Boeser plays a heavier game than Kyrou. He scores way more high danger goals than Kyrou. He’s been better in the playoffs than Kyrou. The change is to find a better stylistic fit for the game we want to play. I’m not “low” on Kyrou, his body of work speaks for itself. I just think Boeser might be a better fit for the team. So a Kyrou for Boeser + Willander trade gives VAN a speedier forward to play with EP, and we get a guy better suited for playoff hockey AND a solution to our RHD imbalance. Feels like a good deal on our end, even/especially next year.

And if you think Snuggerud makes Boeser redundant, then you should already think that Kyrou is redundant, right?

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

And if you think Snuggerud makes Boeser redundant, then you should already think that Kyrou is redundant, right?

Boeser and Kyrou are very different players and Snuggerud's play style is much more similar to one than the other. So no, Snuggerud doesn't make Kyrou "redundant."

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Oh wow, The guy who's main attribute is speed is stuck with two slow f***s in Schenn and Neighbours. I wonder why he can't generate shit 5v5. Maybe the same f***ing reason he couldn't generate with Schenn and Saad.

It's really not rocket science. Kyrou finally gets someone who can match his speed in Holloway and thrives, yet we wonder why he struggles when he's back on a line with another winger that can't keep pace.

 

[Bluesnatic27]

Boeser plays a heavier game than Kyrou. He scores way more high danger goals than Kyrou. He’s been better in the playoffs than Kyrou. The change is to find a better stylistic fit for the game we want to play. I’m not “low” on Kyrou, his body of work speaks for itself. I just think Boeser might be a better fit for the team. So a Kyrou for Boeser + Willander trade gives VAN a speedier forward to play with EP, and we get a guy better suited for playoff hockey AND a solution to our RHD imbalance. Feels like a good deal on our end, even/especially next year.

And if you think Snuggerud makes Boeser redundant, then you should already think that Kyrou is redundant, right?

I can’t speak on individual high danger goals scored between the two, but I’m confident in saying that Boeser is a substantial downgrade from Kyrou based on the data available.

Boeser is a worse point producer, worse line driver, worse defensive player, and seems to not produce HDCF, HDFF, or HDGF higher than Kyrou when 5-on-5. Kyrou is just, flat out, a better player, full stop. I’m looking at data from Natural Stat Trick and starting from 2020-2021 as both players were full time by that point, but Boeser has done nothing to suggest he would be better for the Blues, even stylistically. He’s just a worse Kyrou with slightly more goals but less points overall. All the while playing with forwards that have high PPG averages, if not 100 point seasons, and Quinn Hughes.

All the while, this neglects how Boeser is a UFA to be. Those players are usually flipped for lower picks at the draft because the value is so low. If Boeser were signed, then I could understand the trade. But with no contract, trading Kyrou for Willander and Boeser, as is, would be misguided at best, just dumb at worst.

 

[Frenzy31]

Boeser plays a heavier game than Kyrou. He scores way more high danger goals than Kyrou. He’s been better in the playoffs than Kyrou. The change is to find a better stylistic fit for the game we want to play. I’m not “low” on Kyrou, his body of work speaks for itself. I just think Boeser might be a better fit for the team. So a Kyrou for Boeser + Willander trade gives VAN a speedier forward to play with EP, and we get a guy better suited for playoff hockey AND a solution to our RHD imbalance. Feels like a good deal on our end, even/especially next year.

And if you think Snuggerud makes Boeser redundant, then you should already think that Kyrou is redundant, right?

No. They are very different types or players, but I shouldn't have to explain that to you because you already know that.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

If the Blues were able to get a #2C that could skate with Holloway and Kyrou, that will be one of the best 2nd lines in hockey.

Easier said than done though.

 

[Xerloris]

If the Blues were able to get a #2C that could skate with Holloway and Kyrou, that will be one of the best 2nd lines in hockey.

Easier said than done though.

I'm not being sarcastic when I ask who wold be the 1st? McDrai doesn't count because a line does not consist of 2 players.

 

[Mike Liut]

If the Blues were able to get a #2C that could skate with Holloway and Kyrou, that will be one of the best 2nd lines in hockey.

Easier said than done though.

Who was the center Army was trying to acquire at the deadline?

 

[Xerloris]

Who was the center Army was trying to acquire at the deadline?

I didn't know he was trying to get one

 

[Mike Liut]

I didn't know he was trying to get one

Yeah, it was reported.

 

[LetsGoBooze]

So a UFA.... And a good, but not elite D prospect for our 2nd best forard. I like Willander, but I think you are way selling JK short here.

I think Snugs will make BB redundant, so I have no idea of why are you even adding. There is no reason, Snugs. And while this does address the RHD position, it sure doesn't make us better next year. If you had said EP, I would atleast get it, but... but this is a trade to sell Kyrou and I think the value is terrible.

The value is terrible, would need to need another asset worth a 1st, prefer younger roster player, in addition to Willander. BB rights dont account for much.