2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

[Klank Loves You]

Well, the other Elias Pettersson makes ~838k.

We'll just chalk this up to an honest oopsy.

Welp. I just remember why I don't post in this thread. Gl;hf

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Welp. I just remember why I don't post in this thread. Gl;hf

I don't post much in this thread either because I'm not very good at trade proposals.

 

[Spektre]

In the context of Willander, would Tucker, Stancl and picks get us into the ballpark?

Not close.


On another note, I wonder what the odds are on Krug retiring in the offseason and taking a job with the team.

 

[A Real Barn Burner]

Not close.


On another note, I wonder what the odds are on Krug retiring in the offseason and taking a job with the team.

What are the odds that you would throw away a six million dollar lottery ticket instead of cashing it in?

 

[Spektre]

What are the odds that you would throw away a six million dollar lottery ticket instead of cashing it in?

I get your point but maybe he makes more money long term if he takes a job with the Blues, if he even wants that in the future. Saad walked away from what, 4 million??

I know he got resigned but he still gave up a lot of money.

 

[A Real Barn Burner]

I get your point but maybe he makes more money long term if he takes a job with the Blues, if he even wants that in the future. Saad walked away from what, 4 million??

I know he got resigned but he still gave up a lot of money.

Good point, hard for me to guess what a person with a generational amount of wealth will do. Question though, is Krug considered a great hockey mind though? He has never really struck me as that kind of guy in his Interviews.

You could see it coming with Steen, Ott, and even Brodeur by how the broadcast crew talked about them and with them while they were players.

Is there a reason for the Blues to offer him a long term position to incentives this? Even if we hit the cap he would be LTIR right and not count?

 

[Spektre]

Good point, hard for me to guess what a person with a generational amount of wealth will do. Question though, is Krug considered a great hockey mind though? He has never really struck me as that kind of guy in his Interviews.

You could see it coming with Steen, Ott, and even Brodeur by how the broadcast crew talked about them and with them while they were players.

Is there a reason for the Blues to offer him a long term position to incentives this? Even if we hit the cap he would be LTIR right and not count?

I don’t know

 

[Brian39]

On another note, I wonder what the odds are on Krug retiring in the offseason and taking a job with the team.

Roughly similar to the odds of me getting a 7 figure job with the Blues this summer.

He has $12.5M of real dollars left on his contract and NHL front office executives don't make anything close to that. The 2 years of experience he could get in the front office wouldn't come close to balancing out that lost income. And if he wants a position to start learning the business while he is still being paid on his player contract, the NHL isn't going to have an issue with him sitting in on front office meetings and/or scouting while he is sitting on LTIR. The NHL allowed Pronger to do that with the Flyers, so the precedent is there. And finally, the NHL would dig very deeply into the Blues offering him an overpaid executive job to financially incentivize him to walk away from his NHL contract.

If he's done, we can LTIR him and the cap hit isn't a huge deal. But I'd be stunned if he walked away from 20% of his career earnings to do the Blues a solid.

 

[Spektre]

Roughly similar to the odds of me getting a 7 figure job with the Blues this summer.

He has $12.5M of real dollars left on his contract and NHL front office executives don't make anything close to that. The 2 years of experience he could get in the front office wouldn't come close to balancing out that lost income. And if he wants a position to start learning the business while he is still being paid on his player contract, the NHL isn't going to have an issue with him sitting in on front office meetings and/or scouting while he is sitting on LTIR. The NHL allowed Pronger to do that with the Flyers, so the precedent is there. And finally, the NHL would dig very deeply into the Blues offering him an overpaid executive job to financially incentivize him to walk away from his NHL contract.

If he's done, we can LTIR him and the cap hit isn't a huge deal. But I'd be stunned if he walked away from 20% of his career earnings to do the Blues a solid.

Day 1 of the 25-26 season his 6.5 mil has to fit under the cap, correct?

 

[Brian39]

Day 1 of the 25-26 season his 6.5 mil has to fit under the cap, correct?

By necessity? No. Offseason LTIR is a tool that can be used. Being able to fit him under the cap and then LTIR him on day 1 of the season provides the most relief, but it is not required.

 

[STL fan in MN]

Day 1 of the 25-26 season his 6.5 mil has to fit under the cap, correct?

Yes.

Prep for September: expect guys like Bolduc, Snuggy, Dvorsky or any other waiver exempt player that actually made the team to be assigned to Springfield on paper the first day of the season and then added to the roster the next day when Krug’s contract can be put on LTIR.

 

[Spektre]

Yes.

Prep for September: expect guys like Bolduc, Snuggy, Dvorsky or any other waiver exempt player that actually made the team to be assigned to Springfield on paper the first day of the season and then added to the roster the next day when Krug’s contract can be put on LTIR.

@Brian39 this is what I was talking about... I believe Krug's 6.5 million has to fit under the cap as of the first day of the season and only then does it get filtered away to ltir. I don't really see it being a big issue getting under the cap, but it's something to keep in mind.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

@Brian39 this is what I was talking about... I believe Krug's 6.5 million has to fit under the cap as of the first day of the season and only then does it get filtered away to ltir. I don't really see it being a big issue getting under the cap, but it's something to keep in mind.

But it doesn't. As Brian was saying, krug can be put on LTIR over summer and we don't NEED to be compliant with him included. There are cap advantages to doing it the way MN mentioned, but it doesn't HAVE to be done that way.

 

[MissouriMook]

By necessity? No. Offseason LTIR is a tool that can be used. Being able to fit him under the cap and then LTIR him on day 1 of the season provides the most relief, but it is not required.

But it doesn't. As Brian was saying, krug can be put on LTIR over summer and we don't NEED to be compliant with him included. There are cap advantages to doing it the way MN mentioned, but it doesn't HAVE to be done that way.

If I'm not mistaken, the distinction is made for a player who was on LTIR at the end of the prior season and still unable to play when the new season begins. I'm not sure if there is a definition as to how long they need to have been on LTIR the prior season to qualify for the exemption, but as Brian points out there is a benefit to not needing to have him on LTIR to be cap compliant Day 1.

 

[Spektre]

If I'm not mistaken, the distinction is made for a player who was on LTIR at the end of the prior season and still unable to play when the new season begins. I'm not sure if there is a definition as to how long they need to have been on LTIR the prior season to qualify for the exemption, but as Brian points out there is a benefit to not needing to have him on LTIR to be cap compliant Day 1.

Is this why Edmonton had to wait for day 1 of this season to put Kane on LTIR???

 

[Brian39]

@Brian39 this is what I was talking about... I believe Krug's 6.5 million has to fit under the cap as of the first day of the season and only then does it get filtered away to ltir. I don't really see it being a big issue getting under the cap, but it's something to keep in mind.

And again, that is incorrect. It does not have to fit under the cap on day 1. You can put a guy on LTIR in the offseason and enter day 1 exceeding the salary cap. You do not have to fit your LTIR player's cap hit under the cap on day 1.

The LTIR pool calculation is generally more favorable to teams who can get under the cap before day 1, then LTIR the player.

The cap is going to be $95.5M next year. Let's say that we have $95.499M in cap hits with Krug on the roster on day 1 (and we could accomplish that by running a 20 man roster with all the waiver exempt ELCs in the AHL). When we move Krug to LTIR, our LTIR pool would be $6.499M (meaning we could ass $6.499 in cap hits to the NHL roster). Let's say that we keep Krug on LTIR all summer and enter day 1 with him on LTIR and $96M in cap hits. Our LTIR pool would only be $500k, meaning that moving Krug to LTIR only allows us to add $500k in cap hits to the roster.

There are distinct advantages to fitting under the cap on day 1 before getting LTIR involved. But it is not required.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

And again, that is incorrect. It does not have to fit under the cap on day 1. You can put a guy on LTIR in the offseason and enter day 1 exceeding the salary cap. You do not have to fit your LTIR player's cap hit under the cap on day 1.

The LTIR pool calculation is generally more favorable to teams who can get under the cap before day 1, then LTIR the player.

The cap is going to be $95.5M next year. Let's say that we have $95.499M in cap hits with Krug on the roster on day 1 (and we could accomplish that by running a 20 man roster with all the waiver exempt ELCs in the AHL). When we move Krug to LTIR, our LTIR pool would be $6.499M (meaning we could ass $6.499 in cap hits to the NHL roster). Let's say that we keep Krug on LTIR all summer and enter day 1 with him on LTIR and $96M in cap hits. Our LTIR pool would only be $500k, meaning that moving Krug to LTIR only allows us to add $500k in cap hits to the roster.

There are distinct advantages to fitting under the cap on day 1 before getting LTIR involved. But it is not required.

This is the take-home message.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Blues currently have 8.5 mil in cap-space available If Krug plays next year. 14 5 mil if he's placed on LTIR. Unless we're bringing in someone with a big contract we'll be fine.

 

[Xerloris]

Blues currently have 8.5 mil in cap-space available If Krug plays next year. 14 5 mil if he's placed on LTIR. Unless we're bringing in someone with a big contract we'll be fine.

Marner?

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Marner?

Having Marner and Kyrou would be having two aces up our sleeve.

The kids are coming on. Bolduc is nasty and Snuggy is energetic af. Jake is Jake.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Blues have

Marner?

Move out Leddy, Tex, and/Joseph. If he's willing to come to the Blues then we can easily make room.

 

[The Note]

Huge Marner fan - struggle to see a realistic scenario where he ends up in STL

 

[Xerloris]

Blues have

Move out Leddy, Tex, and/Joseph. If he's willing to come to the Blues then we can easily make room.

I think a better use of our cap would be a RHD or a 2C for couple years. Aside from those 2 situations I like the idea of Marner

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I think a better use of our cap would be a RHD or a 2C for couple years. Aside from those 2 situations I like the idea of Marner

Agreed. I'd much much much prefer a C or RHD. Plus I very highly doubt we would even get a meeting with Marner, kind of like Tavares.

 

[Mike Liut]

I’m not sure how much players study other teams youth and prospect pool, but if I was a FA, I’d look pretty hard at the Blues. Great city, great fan base, great coach, great owners, great young core, very good prospect pool. Ok, where do I sign?