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2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

ArenaRat said:
Curious what people think of Tucker as a trade asset, current injury notwithstanding. We've undervalued some of our D over the years, only to see them flourish elsewhere (Mikkola, Walman, Dunn wasn't necessarily undervalued but was deemed acceptable to lose, even Ian Cole and I'm sure a few more). It's the nature of the game that another team finds untapped value in a player and gives them the opportunity to play. We do it, too.

Tucker has been steady, physical, mobile, tough and has a pretty good feel in the offensive zone. He's put quite a bit of good tape down this season, and I'm guessing other teams have noticed. Not saying he's a top target, but a solid 5-6 and possibly even an upgrade over somebody's 4.

In the context of Willander, would Tucker, Stancl and picks get us into the ballpark?
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Would you trade Dvorsky to Vancouver for Nils Aman, Sawyer Mynio, and picks? That's essentially what you have offered for Vancouver's top prospect. They will shoot us down before Army can even blink.
 
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ArenaRat said:
Curious what people think of Tucker as a trade asset, current injury notwithstanding. We've undervalued some of our D over the years, only to see them flourish elsewhere (Mikkola, Walman, Dunn wasn't necessarily undervalued but was deemed acceptable to lose, even Ian Cole and I'm sure a few more). It's the nature of the game that another team finds untapped value in a player and gives them the opportunity to play. We do it, too.

Tucker has been steady, physical, mobile, tough and has a pretty good feel in the offensive zone. He's put quite a bit of good tape down this season, and I'm guessing other teams have noticed. Not saying he's a top target, but a solid 5-6 and possibly even an upgrade over somebody's 4.

In the context of Willander, would Tucker, Stancl and picks get us into the ballpark?
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Tucker + Stancl + 2025 1st? I doubt it’s enough.
 
Tucker is 25 year old former 7th round pick who has 90 career NHL games and has been a #6/7 D man all year. He also just left a game with what appears to be a significant knee injury. His trade value is extremely limited.

I like Stancl as a potential bottom 6 NHL player with some scoring punch, but he's a 4th round pick who was (just) below a point per game player in his D+2 season in junior and then looked incredibly raw through 10 AHL games. He had a great World Junior and he is probably the best 'diamond in the rough' candidate from our prospect pool, but prospects like that have very limited trade value unless/until they start showing it at the pro level.

Neither are doing much, if anything, to move the needle for a team's best prospect. Neither would be more than a tail end addition to a mostly-done deal to slightly satisfy Vancouver's hesitancy. They certainly don't bridge the value gap between an 11th overall pick (from a good draft) who is progressing nicely in his D+2 season and a late teens pick in a shallow draft. Willander is 2 years away from being able to leave Vancouver. They have plenty of time to salvage the relationship or find better value than that.
 
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Beauterham said:
Probably Dvorsky. Don't think they will bite on any of our other prospects.


I did think of a more expanded trade, that I posted a while ago.

Willander, Pettersson (forward) for Dvorsky, Ralph, Faulk, 25 1st, 26 1st

Pettersson's value, at his current caphit and lack of production is at an all time low and Vancouver would very likely want to move him. Getting both would fill both holes at 2C and RD. Both players are in the right age group and have the talent to play a big role for years to come.

This is a huge gamble for us, as we're putting all our bets on Monty being able to return Petey back to his 22/23 form. IF it works, it would be a huge steal (even with his current caphit) and instantly make us a contender for years to come. If it doesn't... well... that would hurt. Like a lot. However, young-ish elite centers are very rarely available for a return that is 'attainable'.
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Wonder if they would retain any salary in this unlikely but fun to speculate about trade. Probably not willing to retain for that long but they have two slots open in 25-26 and they weren't averse to buying out OEL which carried a cap charge for several years. There is also the NMC piece to contend with. I'd rather move Jiricek than Ralph in this proposed trade.

Would be a huge trade for both teams. EP at 8.5M on a long term deal and Willander looks good to me. And a full signal by Vancouver that the rebuild is in full swing. i would think moving Horvat, Miller and than EP in consecutive seasons and the trouble brewing with Hughes would get any GM fired.
 
Brian39 said:
I wouldn't do a Dvorsky for Willander swap where the rest of the package is simply evening out overall value. I think that they are roughly comparable talents and right now C is just a more pressing need organizationally than RHD over the 5 year window that I believe exists with this group.

I'm comfortable banking on Parayko to be top-pair caliber for another couple years and top 4 caliber for a couple after that. I'm comfortable with Broberg as a long-term top-4-to-top-pair caliber LD. I'm comfortable with Fowler as a top pair guy next year with the potential to be top 4 for a bit beyond that. And I love our LHD prospect pool (both Lindstein as an eventual top 4 guy with several other guys who could be real NHL players. And while Faulk has his share of faults, I'm comfortable with him as a #4 in the short term.

RD is an organizational hole, but I think that you can have that solution be the '2nd' guy on your 2nd pair in the short term and medium term.

I think that the eventual solution at 2C needs to be better than that. Schenn is barely a good enough 2C right now (and is very arguably already not quite good enough) and certainly can't still be filling that hole in 3 years. Internally, Dvorsky is the only guy who I think could plug that hole in the medium term. His skating doesn't concern me as a fatal flaw in his ability to be an effective #2 C. I still think he is an NHL center with the upside to be a damn good #2 C.

If I viewed Willander as a sizeable talent upgrade, then I'd be content deepening the organizational center hole to plug the RHD hole. But I don't see that gap.

My analysis could change if there is another move to address the center hole. But unless/until that happens, I'd only move Dvorsky for more of a sure thing.
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I agree. If you have 3/4 of your top 4 as very solid, you can fill holes. Not comparing talent, but it’s similar to the 2019 team, only on the opposite side. Your top three were Petro (R), Parayko (R) and JBo (L). They filled the top 4 by rotating all their lefties being Dunn, Gunnar and Eddy. Borts was your #7. As you described above, your top 3 are Parayko, Fowler and Broberg. Right now they are playing Faulk, but could find others to rotate up in due time.

Now, if the trade was to our advantage, such as Dvo for TW and swap of draft spots (moving up to 15), then I’d think long and hard about it. And with all due respect to those posters, definitely not giving up a roster player like Bolduc or Jake as has been mentioned above.
 
TruBlueFan1970 said:
I agree. If you have 3/4 of your top 4 as very solid, you can fill holes. Not comparing talent, but it’s similar to the 2019 team, only on the opposite side. Your top three were Petro (R), Parayko (R) and JBo (L). They filled the top 4 by rotating all their lefties being Dunn, Gunnar and Eddy. Borts was your #7. As you described above, your top 3 are Parayko, Fowler and Broberg. Right now they are playing Faulk, but could find others to rotate up in due time.

Now, if the trade was to our advantage, such as Dvo for TW and swap of draft spots (moving up to 15), then I’d think long and hard about it. And with all due respect to those posters, definitely not giving up a roster player like Bolduc or Jake as has been mentioned above.
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The draft pick swap was part of my offer. Not a one for one
 
PerryTurnbullfan said:
The draft pick swap was part of my offer. Not a one for one
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Gotcha, I misinterpreted it as us getting TW and moving up 4 spots and they get Dvo and move back. Basically a player for player with a kicker. This convo is similar to the McGroarty situation in WPG. They swapped him for Yager straight up, as both were #14 overall picks. To me, it’s the same value, as we are talking #10 for #11. It would have to be straight up or we get a small kicker. Anything else is an overpayment.
 
I guess i'm in the minority in being extremely unimpressed with willander given all the hype he gets on this site.

He's not been very smart or defensively sound in my viewings. I thought drafting him 11th was a reach and nothing he's done to this point has changed that for me, outside of having a good world juniors i guess).

If we're going to trade high end draft capital and high end prospects for a D. I'd much prefer we use those assets on either a higher end prospect like NIkishin who's dominated in another pro league or for a more NHL proven established young Defenceman like Power or Clarke
 
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TruBlueFan1970 said:
Gotcha, I misinterpreted it as us getting TW and moving up 4 spots and they get Dvo and move back. Basically a player for player with a kicker. This convo is similar to the McGroarty situation in WPG. They swapped him for Yager straight up, as both were #14 overall picks. To me, it’s the same value, as we are talking #10 for #11. It would have to be straight up or we get a small kicker. Anything else is an overpayment.
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I think 15 th and 19th is the difference in landing a 2nd line center.
 
I am all for trading Neighbors if he plays like he did this year but if he decides to be a net front asshole like he was last year I wouldn't trade him.
 
Is anyone willing to take a shot at Pettersson from Vancouver, assuming they won't retain any salary and want Dvorsky + as a return?

Imagine we'd need to ship salary out, and a 1st along with Dvorsky. Would anybody be willing to go down that path?
He may be more realistic than Larkin (who I'd prefer).
 
Stealth JD said:
Is anyone willing to take a shot at Pettersson from Vancouver
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Yes
Stealth JD said:
assuming they won't retain any salary
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Less enthusiastic yes
Stealth JD said:
and want Dvorsky + as a return?
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No
Stealth JD said:
Imagine we'd need to ship salary out, and a 1st along with Dvorsky. Would anybody be willing to go down that path?
He may be more realistic than Larkin (who I'd prefer).
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I'm more nervous on Petey than I was a few months ago. His performance at 4 Nations, since the Miller trade and the major decrease in high speeed bursts this year all concern me that it is more than neeeding a change of scenery. I'd still take the risk on him with no retention, because the potential reward is insanely highm and I do think that 2C is a reasonable floor. But I wouldn't pay our best futures asset to take that risk. I would need Vancouver to retain before I considered giving up Dvorsky+.

FWIW, I don't think Vancouver moves him this summer. I think the organization (probably correctly) believes that he will happily waive his NMC down the line if things don't work out. If he doesn't bounce back to the 85+ point guy, the media is going to make his life in Vancouver miserable.
 
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Stealth JD said:
Is anyone willing to take a shot at Pettersson from Vancouver, assuming they won't retain any salary and want Dvorsky + as a return?

Imagine we'd need to ship salary out, and a 1st along with Dvorsky. Would anybody be willing to go down that path?
He may be more realistic than Larkin (who I'd prefer).
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No cry babies. He is a weak-minded individual.

Hard pass.
 
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