That will be a good problem to have, but Dvo/Snuggy will likely take at least a year or two before that can be counted on as legit top 6 contributors. Buch might get pushed out eventually but I think that will be at least a couple seasons down the road. Nothing to be concerned about at this time.
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Beauterham
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Why move Buch? Next season we have Kyrou, Holloway, Buch, Neighbours, Bolduc and -hopefully- Snuggerud as the wingers in our top 9. As long as we have no one pushing one of them out of the top-9, there is no reason to move anyone of them.
If Snuggerud (and Bolduc if he hasn't done so already) prove to be reliable top-9 wingers over the course of a whole season AND someone like Stenberg is pushing for a top-9 spot, then we could take a look at moving a winger (Buch?). But this is probably something for over 2-ish years, so no need to rush.
greybush314
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Next season should look like this imo.
Bolduc-Thomas-Snuggerud
Holloway-Dvorsky-Kyrou
Neighbours-Schenn-Buchnevich
Alexandrov-Sundqvist-Toropchenko
Walker
Fowler-Parayko
Broberg-Ekblad
Tucker-Kessel-Sutter
Trade Faulk, Leddy, Joseph and Texier
Sign Ekblad 7/8.5
Extend Fowler, Broberg and Holloway
Bolduc-Thomas-Snuggerud
Holloway-Dvorsky-Kyrou
Neighbours-Schenn-Buchnevich
Alexandrov-Sundqvist-Toropchenko
Walker
Fowler-Parayko
Broberg-Ekblad
Tucker-Kessel-Sutter
Trade Faulk, Leddy, Joseph and Texier
Sign Ekblad 7/8.5
Extend Fowler, Broberg and Holloway
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It's possible but asking both Snuggy and Dvo to come in as top 6 players is asking a lot IMO and they should be eased into the lineup. Maybe at the end of the season they solidify themselves there but I would be pretty shocked to see them start out there.
stl76
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Dvorsky is likely starting on the 3rd line. There’s no way he’s starting on the 2nd line anyway, let’s be real here.
LGB
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I think Dvorsky will spend most of next season in the AHL
stl76
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Wouldn’t shock me at all. These lineups with him at 2C are wild…just unrealistic IMO.
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He’s also not going to have Bolduc and Snuggerud as his wingers. The line distinctions are going to be less helpful, first, second, third. But the youth will need some insulation for defensive responsibility.
There was a lot of criticism is Bolduc getting scratched and limited playing time early this year. But if that’s the fastest way to become defensively responsible at the NHL level, it will help a lot for him to have that ability when we are trying to integrate two new rookies in the top 9 next year.
I bet Snuggerud is with Schenn to start.
I would switch Dvo and Schenn. Schenn has really clicked with Holloway and Kyrou.
Provided he makes the roster, I could see him getting 3rd line minutes, but spending those minutes with Holloway/Kyrou. Keep him sheltered with them, but send Schenn out if it’s a defensive situation.
greybush314
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The thinking is Holloway and Kyrou can carry Dvorsky and their speed can cover any mistakes he may make. Dvorsky is more dynamic than Schenn and would make that line an offensive juggernaut. The Schenn line could be a outstanding shutdown line that can still put out good offense.
And if I'm being honest, I don’t think Schenn has mattered much in between Holloway and Kyrou. They have developed amazing chemistry and could probably play with Faksa and still score a bunch.
To further your point, Dvo is going to likely need to be sheltered for a while. With 100% OZ starts in his debut, DVo's ES Corsi was 7F 15A, but at 5on5 it was 7F and 11A. Which means at 4on4 it was 0f 4A. Game moved a bit fast for him, but at 4on4 his skating was particularly exposed.
This isn't surprising, as I have been vocal that he didn't look ready during my AHL viewings. I would be surprised if he gets another NHL game this season until our playoff fate is locked down (or we have injury issues), but it was good to get him NHL exposure to see where he stands and what he needs to improve.
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Nothing makes it more real than actually suiting up and drawing in for a faceoff against a real NHL opponent. I would think he can see his path more clearly when he’s working on things at the AHL level for a while longer.
With a little luck he can be a Black Ace for a few weeks!
Brian39
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I'm really high on Dvorsky's ceiling, but I don't think that this is even close to an accurate assessment of where these two players are currently. What specifically about Dvorsky's game do you think is a good fit for Kyrou and Holloway? His current level of skating is no better than Schenn's and I think that his first stride is currently worse. I haven't seen anything to suggest that his playmaking/vision is on par's with Schenn's at the moment and I don't think he's nearly as effective forechecking as Schenn currently is. His most consistent offensive successes come from carrying the puck through the middle of the ice into the attacking zone and his excellent shot. How often is a below average skating center between Kyrou/Holloway the guy carrying the puck up ice and executing the zone entry? How often do we want the center between Kyrou/Holloway acting as the trigger man? How much more often do we want Kyrou and Holloway being responsible for board battles and net front? How much more do we want Kyrou/Holloway focusing on defense compared to what they are currently doing?
I think that Dvorsky can eventually become a great fit between those two, but I see very little about his current game to make me think that time is rapidly approaching. The odds that Dvorsky will be a better player than Schenn next season are not at all good. And if the logic is 'those two are so good/fast that they could find success with anyone' then you want that 'anyone' to be a guy who does the little things well and wins individual puck battles to extend zone time until the speed/skill can take over. Dvorsky is not close to being that guy at the moment.
I like this. Maybe switch Schenn and Dvo until he gets more experience, but otherwise looks strong.
You could start a line next season with something like Toropchenko - Dvorsky - Texier.
It wouldn’t be a 3rd line or a 4th line. It would be a “young center line” that got a blend of the minutes you’d typically assign to the bottom 6 plus a few nice offensive zone draws you’d usually give to the top 6. You could have sunny in the more shutdown role as the other bottom 6 center, taking the pressure off as needed.
But maybe it makes more sense to go full time in the ahl some more. Tough to balance what is best I feel. A lot of time for things to improve, change, or not. If he does start in the ahl: you certainly hope sunny has a full 82 game season next year but I think it’s possible he has maintenance days; Dvorsky could get the nhl minutes from Sunny’s slot if time were missed - and that could be a non trivial number of games.
It wouldn’t be a 3rd line or a 4th line. It would be a “young center line” that got a blend of the minutes you’d typically assign to the bottom 6 plus a few nice offensive zone draws you’d usually give to the top 6. You could have sunny in the more shutdown role as the other bottom 6 center, taking the pressure off as needed.
But maybe it makes more sense to go full time in the ahl some more. Tough to balance what is best I feel. A lot of time for things to improve, change, or not. If he does start in the ahl: you certainly hope sunny has a full 82 game season next year but I think it’s possible he has maintenance days; Dvorsky could get the nhl minutes from Sunny’s slot if time were missed - and that could be a non trivial number of games.
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Schenn would still play a ton with Kyrou-Holloway. The goal is to transition both Snuggy and Dvo into the lineup while sheltering them and having multiple lines who can put up points. Snuggy will rotate with Neighbours depending on matchup and situation same as Dvo and Schenn. Just like there will be times where Holloway and Kyrou get thrown up with Thomas depending on what we need.
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Hopefully Texier isn't here, and Torp should be on the 4th line with Sunny and Walker if he is still here
bleedblue1223
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I think we mix the young guys around the lineup with the vets, but they all end up with 3rd/4th line minutes to start. Vets get double shifted in key situations, stuff like that.
I don't want Texier here next season but I do think Toro has improved enough he should be around for a bit
MissouriMook
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What if we got him to change his name? Maybe something like Kale McCar or Jaxon Bonecrusher. Then would you be on board?
Drubilly
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Maybe torop is a good initial match for dvo:
-torop takes up a lot of space and that helps possession guys. Whether it’s reach or presence, or running picks - dvo would use the space torop creates. Dvo should do better the more space his linemates can manipulate. When he’s called “cerebral” - this is what is being mentioned, and is a key of his game from what I’ve seen.
-torops defensive responsibilities and puck placement are ingrained - you would limit the bad habits that could enter the line if you’ve got somebody who really only does stuff “the right way”
-if a primary weakness of a young dvo is first stride and ability to win battles - maybe you can offset that weakness with a guy who’s first stride is enormous and who just takes the body in a lot of battles.
I could see Toropchenko have more assignments in his career going forward than just basic 4th liner and maybe be a fit to help dvo the first year or two similar to maroon and Thomas sharing a lot of ice time.
