2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.
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Not sure that would be enough for them. And while some folks are down on Neighbours, I really want to keep him. If we can get the skill needed for our top 6 over the next 2 years through our own prospects, trades or UFA, then Jake is the perfect 3rd line winger who can slide up in a pinch. And he has the heart and grit that this team needs more of, not less. Just my opinion.
I would be shocked as well. To me, it seems like more smoke than fire and is similar to the Buch situation last year. The rumors were flying and a lot of pundits kept waiting for him to get moved and then nothing. I suspect we will see the same this year, with just a couple minor moves like Suter and Faksa.
For the record, I'm not against it either, just don't think it will happen. Would love to see Buch moved though. Don't think that happens either. Feel we are going to have an interesting summer though when a lot of the NTC clauses go to M-NTC, especially with our D core.
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In theory I understand it, but Cozens scares me like Zegras does. I'd be ok trading for him, but it would have to be at a massive discount, I wouldn't move Kyrou for him.
I saw that a week or two ago when it was first published, I wouldn't make that trade
Man, just not sure I do that. Really like Helenius as a prospect, but if he doesn’t pan out, seems pretty lopsided for Kyrou. Maybe Cozens, Benson and a 2nd would sway me.
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If I'm trading Kyrou to Buffalo, I need one of their defensemen in a deal.
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I like Cozens as an idea, but man his inconsistency and already locked in term scares the heck out of me.
He looked like he was tracking towards budding into a good top 6 center and then dropped back off and is continuing the drop off from last year this year. Just an odd odd situation.
However we don't really need to be trading Kyrou for less offense in the hopes that Cozens rebounds and a prospect turns out. Seems like a recipe for disaster considering how under the microscope guys get here once they get paid.
He looked like he was tracking towards budding into a good top 6 center and then dropped back off and is continuing the drop off from last year this year. Just an odd odd situation.
However we don't really need to be trading Kyrou for less offense in the hopes that Cozens rebounds and a prospect turns out. Seems like a recipe for disaster considering how under the microscope guys get here once they get paid.
Yep, this is where I am at. The value is fair, but that isn't always a reason to do a trade. The team who gets the best player usually wins. And Kyrou is most likely the best player. Plus Cozens has 3 years before going to UFA, which could mean losing him. Even if we consider our window a few years out, Kyrou is still better for that than Cozens due to contract.
Edit: As pointed out below, Cozens has 5 years left.
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Yeah, that deal doesn't fix a problem for the Blues. It gives you three chances to hopefully fix the problem that you've exacerbated by making the trade in the first place.
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I don't love the value of the return, because Cozens scares me. But let's call it perfectly even value for the sake of argument. I don't understand the logic behind targeting two centers as the primary 2 pieces. Assuming Cozens turns his game around the way you need for this trade to be worth it, we would then have 2 of our 3 top 9 centers locked up for 5 years. Suddenly Dvorsky and Helenius are competing for just 1 remaining center spot through the 2029/30 season. Obviously you could slide one (likely Helenius) to RW and 'too many' centers is a good problem. But you are essentially off the bat conceding that you're trading Kyrou for a reclamation project at C and a guy who is a wing prospect in your organization.
Kyrou is probably our most valuable potential trade piece that has any chance of getting moved. If I'm trading him, I need a high degree of assurance that the primary piece is a legit top-half-of-the-lineup D or Center, less assurance, but potential solutions at D and center, or an absolute ludicrous haul of futures assets that is simply too goo to pass up. I don't have enough assurance that Cozens is a legit top-half-of-the-lineup center to meet my first ask and the lack of D in the deal means it doesn't meet my second ask.
The value might be a fair trade, but it doesn't make sense to me. Realistically, I have a hard time picturing any Kyrou to Buffalo deal without getting one of their big 3 D back in the deal. None of their NHL centers make me comfortable as being a legit 2C and they don't have a prospect D in the system that I'm comfortable penciling into our future top 4. So I think one of the 3 stud D would have to be the piece coming back to get me interested in giving up Kyrou.
Cozens has 5 years (after this one) before going UFA. This is year 2 of a 7 year deal for him, so having him walk isn't much of a concern.
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You're right. Puckpedia for some reason has 26-27 highlighted in bright red. I thought that meant it was this year and didn't look at the dates. My bad. It's my fault for not looking more carefully, but I still miss cap friendly It was much more readable than any of the current options..
It makes it a better deal for us, but I still don't pull the trigger for all the reasons you laid out.
I wouldn't trade Kyrou for Byram. I would trade him for one of Dahlin/Power, but I think that's a definite nonstarter for them.
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I think the guy who is available from Buffalo is McLeod. I think cozens maybe is or maybe isn’t available but I think it’s extremely rare to see that type of player traded midseason. I would think perhaps teams may call Buffalo and ask about Cozens, but Buffalo has no reason to dangle him mid season. If you’re moving on from an asset like this, an asset you control for 7 years - you want the offseason so the maximum amount of other teams can consider and participate in the deal. I think instead that McLeod is the one everybody is checking out.
I think so long as McLeod remains unsigned for term it is unlikely Buffalo trades a center with term. You’d think they would secure the one guy before they ship the other guy.
McLeod just got there and hasn’t signed yet. He’s 26 next season, has previously filed for arb, and any arb outcome would result in him being a ufa. That’s a gigantic L for the Sabres.
If buffalo doesn’t intend to sign McLoed or if they do not believe they will be able to get a deal that secures some term, then the last thing they will want is McLeod to start next season on a 1 year deal.
I’d guess that he could be dealt soon based on the Wings injury situation. Perhaps a trade was better for all parties after the draft order was known but now maybe the wings will push for the deal.
I think so long as McLeod remains unsigned for term it is unlikely Buffalo trades a center with term. You’d think they would secure the one guy before they ship the other guy.
McLeod just got there and hasn’t signed yet. He’s 26 next season, has previously filed for arb, and any arb outcome would result in him being a ufa. That’s a gigantic L for the Sabres.
If buffalo doesn’t intend to sign McLoed or if they do not believe they will be able to get a deal that secures some term, then the last thing they will want is McLeod to start next season on a 1 year deal.
I’d guess that he could be dealt soon based on the Wings injury situation. Perhaps a trade was better for all parties after the draft order was known but now maybe the wings will push for the deal.
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Would love to bring in McLeod. Given the absolute haul they paid for him, anything less than a similar return would probably be Adams sealing his fate. I wouldn't love to bring him in at the expense of Dvorsky or Snuggerud.
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I brought this deal up like 2 months ago, majority of the fan base wasnt interested without a strong add from us.
However, Kyrou and a C tier prospect for Byram and Helenius would perk my interest.
Go back and watch Finland versus USA. Helenius will be your center. He did a wonderful job against Hagens and his linemates. Dvo or Cozens could move to the wing. I would want Kleber and not the 2nd round pick.
Kypereos, admittedly not most reliable insider, says Byfield is available. Think Kings want Schenn back? Heck, think they want Kyrou? They add Clarke I’d even do Parayko.
That would leave us with Faulk and Clarke on RD. A little too porous for my liking.
