2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

[Frenzy31]

I agree with this assessment. Army sounds like he isn't pleased with the leadership group and your captain is certainly a big part of the leadership group.

I really like what I know of Schenn the person. He is very well respected around the league and is by all accounts great with the young guys. He's been a fantastic mentor for Neighbours. I think his leadership in terms of teaching young guys how to be good pros has been excellent.

But I'm not sure that he's been an effective leader for the game-to-game grind of a regular season.

Schenn has always frustrated me with his extended stretches of completely unimpactful play. I respect the way he ups his physicality to try and pull himself out of these slumps, but the flip side of that coin is that I think he too often needs the fight or big hit to get himself into games. This team comes out flat way too often and I can't help but wonder if that is in part a reflection of everyone waiting for something to draw them into the fight.

I do think it is worth remembering that Army was originally talking about not having a captain for 2023/24 before Schenn was named captain in training camp. Berube got fired a few months later and then Bannister got fired a year later. Slow starts and late-game collapses persist. Schenn has been awful in the last 7 games while the season has completely slipped away. I'm not saying that Schenn as the C is the problem, but I could see Army being ready to move on from it.

I know it is fun to dunk on Kyrou, but there is a reason that line really clicked when he was on it and has been a bit silent when he left.

I will be honest, I am not sold on adding another D at this point. I would much rather seek a difference maker on the O side of things. We have a lot of young guys, but no real game breaker and that is something we lack.

 

[BadgersandBlues]

I thought Dobson struggles in his own end; which is why the Isles have no interest in signing him to a mega-deal. I don’t watch the Isles much, as I’m not a masochist, but I was under the impression that he was Bouchard-esque.

It's a fair question - I think he's improved significantly over the last few years. His xGF% has risen from 47.19 to 53.29 over the last four seasons (Including this one)

and over the last four years, outside of 22-23, he hasn't really been sheltered, getting about 50% ozone starts and faceoffs (Years match up to the chart above):

His xGA/60 over 2021-2024 was 2.74, which was slightly better then Ryan Pulock, who was a 2.78. This year, Dobson has an xGA/60 of 2.26. For reference, Parayko has an xGA/60 of 2.74 and 2.53 in those same brackets (With much more difficult zone start splits).

In every season of his career, including his rookie year, Dobson has outscored opponents at 5v5:

I'm pretty sure he's the real deal if we can sign him to a contract that makes sense.

 

[TruBlueFan1970]

Agreed. You are taxed when you make money, when you spend money on goods or property, when you own property (every year), when you receive money you paid into SS. How many times are they going to tax the same dollar!!! This is why we had a tea party in this country!!!

Don't forget that if you happen to penny pinch enough to save/invest some money, you get taxed on the interest, dividends and capital gains. Pretty much a minimum of 4 times that each dollar of earnings get taxed.

 

[TruBlueFan1970]

I have a hard time believing that Schenn will be traded. If he were though, and they were interested, I would be looking at a guy like Brandon Carlo on defense. Would really help fill out RHD and locked in at $4.1 million for a few more seasons. Big, physical and more of a Dman than an offensive force, but that's where Broberg should be grooming towards. Just don't realistically see the Bruins being a buyer vs seller given their current standing. He's a guy I would look at over the summer though.

 

[LetsGoBooze]

What is the price everyone would be comfortable paying for Dobson? Whats the biggest piece people are willing to send out?

 

[Xerloris]

What is the price everyone would be comfortable paying for Dobson? Whats the biggest piece people are willing to send out?

I assume it would have to cost Kyrou, that is if he's as good as people say but I don't know shit about him so I really have no comment other than no Thomas/Snuggy/Holloway etc.

 

[Celtic Note]

You’re looking at having a lineup of

Holloway - Thomas - Buchnevich
Neighbors - Texier - Kyrou
Bolduc - Sundqvist - Joseph
Walker - Faksa - Toropchenko

With pretty much no flexibility. Is that ok on paper? Sure, but it doesn’t give me hope of growth for the players not playing in the top line.

Are you saying if we trade him in season that this would be the line up or after the offseason? I noted that we would need to make moves in the off-season to rectify the center position so I will respond to the in season part.

I don’t mean this to come off snippy, but if twenty or so games in that lineup ruins a prospect, I would question if they would have ever panned out anyway.

Of the players in that lineup that I would be concerned about there is really only one: Bolduc. Everyone else is matured and on their way of the guys that I have much belief will become much.

I don’t love the way we have handled Bolduc this year even with Schenn in the lineup. So at this point I am not even sure things would get worse.

I also would probably try to spread out some of the talent from that top line in you roster to distribute some of the talent.

 

[MissouriMook]

Anyone else getting the Gut feeling Blues are going to take a run at Marner in the off season with the cap jumping?

I think he’s one guy that we need to take a swing at. One of my takeaways from this season is that coming in I believed we needed to add a defenseman that is better than anyone currently on the roster to contend, but now I believe we also need to add a forward better than anyone on the current roster.

 

[Celtic Note]

Does it have to be a large plus? Schenn without retention I see a large plus being necessary. This isn’t my wheel house but if Schenn was a UFA this year and we retained he would be worth a late round first (equivalent to Minnesota first given for Jireck). If we retained we would be retaining for three years at 3.25 million a year (Actual salary owed would be 4 mil split between the two clubs)

So you sell him as a 2C for this year and a cheap 3C for two years after that? What is that worth? Ask for a second and they agree good now we need a plus to be worth a third and change (to match Minnesota price paid for Jiricek). What winger prospect does New Jersey want that’s value is about a third? idk….if they say Scheen as a cheap 3C for two years is worth a third and you need second round value then I could see us adding something more significant.

Also it depends on what cap dump they send back….if puckpedia is correct then the Devils have just under 2.5 mil in cap space at the deadline so it doesn’t have to be significant. However if it is significant? How does that change the value?

The reason I mentioned Sutter is if they view Nemec as an injury call up for the playoffs they might be interested in him. My understanding is Nemec was called up recently and then benched so they might want better depth for a run.

Like I said it’s a Pipe dream and most fans on this sites would form a lynch mob for any GM who traded a young prospect for an aging vet. However, there is merit for New Jersey to consider it. They need center help this season and Scheen for two more seasons at a low cap hit means you don’t have to be desperate in FA this year to land a center with a rising cap. If New Jersey is happy with their right side and believe they can lock them all up this offseason Nemec would then have no where to go and they are trading him anyways. I am sure they would love for a young center but we as Blues fans know all too well how hard it is to find one of those.

I cannot see us retaining over the length of the contract.

I personally would have a hard time believing someone would give up a young guy like that for a vet on his last few legs without something decent added, but stranger things have happened.

 

[Spektre]

I would inquire about Nemec. Jersey is looking for a center. Maybe there’s a deal around Schenn

 

[StlBigFly]

I maybe wanna snipe Calum Ritchie from the Avs. Schenn seems like a better thing for them than Middlestadt. I’m glad we grabbed Otto Stenberg but on my little draft wish list I had us taking Ritchie there. Ritchie was drafted 2 picks after Stenberg.

But maybe the Crosby to Colorado stuff is real. I’m starting to believe.

 

[Mike Liut]

I’d love to get back to being a big, physical team.

 

[Celtic Note]

I’d love to get back to being a big, physical team.

We are top 5 in hits in the league and 7th in hits per 60. So what are you saying exactly?

 

[Mike Liut]

We are top 5 in hits in the league and 7th in hits per 60. So what are you saying exactly?

Are all hits equal? Do we just hit to hit, or are we punishing people? Do our D clear the crease? Do we have any physical presence in front of the net? We are far and I mean far from being a physical team.

 

[Spektre]

We are top 5 in hits in the league and 7th in hits per 60. So what are you saying exactly?

There’s no way I trust that stat being accurate. Hits are so subjective to the people keeping that stat.

I will give one example. The puck is froze along the boards by 2 players. There’s 2-3 more players right around the puck. They cross check each other all the time and I can 100% guarantee they don’t count as hits.

Regardless of how inadequate the stat keeping is, Blues players do fly by’s with their sticks, instead of finishing their checks too many times.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Are you saying if we trade him in season that this would be the line up or after the offseason? I noted that we would need to make moves in the off-season to rectify the center position so I will respond to the in season part.

I don’t mean this to come off snippy, but if twenty or so games in that lineup ruins a prospect, I would question if they would have ever panned out anyway.

Of the players in that lineup that I would be concerned about there is really only one: Bolduc. Everyone else is matured and on their way of the guys that I have much belief will become much.

I don’t love the way we have handled Bolduc this year even with Schenn in the lineup. So at this point I am not even sure things would get worse.

I also would probably try to spread out some of the talent from that top line in you roster to distribute some of the talent.

Wouldn't be 20 games for Bolduc. It'd be the whole season. He's been saddled with Sundqvist, Joseph and Saad all season.

I think the other side of the coin is I don't trust us to find a deal we wont heavily regret in 3 years to stop gap the position for next year either in the UFA market.