Those kind of exercises are fun and all, but every team in the league can probably compile a similar list. Without more data it's really hard to say if there's a problem or if its just hockey.
2024-2025 Blues Multi-Purpose Thread.
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I think Maroon retired tonight. Last NHL game. And it’s with the Blackhawks. Yuck but funny.
Greatish career for Big Rig, who I called Monster Suck early in the Cup season.
Greatish career for Big Rig, who I called Monster Suck early in the Cup season.
For a fat guy without much talent, he’s had a helluva career.
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Cayden Jackman.
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Cayden Jackman - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Cayden Jackman, 2009-10-25 MO, USA USA. Most recently in the T1EHL 15U with St. Louis AAA Blues 15U. Complete player biography and stats.
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Plays forward(I'd assume he moves to LW for Erie given that they snagged Jake Murray and Tyler Cooper with their first two picks), decent size for a 15 year old(6' 161lbs), seems to have a bit of a goal scoring touch based on his Jr Blues stats(also a bit of a mean streak(to be expected given his lineage) given his PIM tally).
Be interesting to see how he progresses but there's a very good chance that he ends up buried in Erie's lineup.
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The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.
The Good - The long view is still extremely positive. We control our own destiny as a potential playoff team in Game 82 of the season. This is incredible compared to where we were under Bannister, and even for a good amount of time under Monty. At the beginning of the season, if we had said to everyone, you've got control of your own destiny to make the playoffs in Game 82, while seeing additional growth from Kyrou, watching Broberg and Holloway blossom into franchise cornerstones, and seeing Bolduc turn into a solid top 9 player, I think everyone would be ecstatic, and rightfully so!
The Bad - there are A LOT of blinking lights on the dashboard right now. The running out of gas narrative is real. Since we opened a can of whoopass on Montreal, the underlying metrics are extremely unfavorable, even while extracting additional wins. Since the Montreal game, we have been 28th in xGF% at 44% ahead of only Boston, Nashville, Chicago, and Dallas (Yes Dallas has played like absolute ass these last couple of weeks, getting 100% bailed out by goaltending). Now, we do have a GF% of 51.6%, which ranks us 15th - Monty's teams have always outperformed their xGF%, but when we were at our best, we were still well over 50% from an xGF% perspective, while then outperforming that number in GF% - we were truly a wagon for a bit there.
Schenn has become a ghost these last 8-9 games, with 1 secondary assist and a 38.6 xGF% since the Montreal game. This is the second time this season he's gone AWOL when we've really needed him. In fact, basically everyone on our team has a bad xGF%, with the exception of Holloway and.....Bolduc, who our coaching staff still seems dead set against playing in the top 6 for a significant period of time. Even with basically every metric screaming that Bolduc is outplaying Neighbors, Monty is still stapling Neighbors to our best players and giving him far more 5v5 time (Almost 2 minutes a game more) then Bolduc. I get that Neighbors is everyone's friend, and he's great in the room, and Schenn loves him, and he plays hard, and blah blah blah - but at some point someone on our coaching staff needs to realize that Bolduc is a superior player and act accordingly.
Now for the Ugly - Our last game is against Utah - who over the same stretch of time is the BEST team in the league at 5v5 xGF% with a sparkling 60.75 - and a GF% that still leaves them in the top 10 at 56.67 - plus this team always seems to torment us. I would almost want to play any other team then Utah - they have played hard down the stretch even though they haven't really been seriously in the playoff picture for the last few weeks. Winning Game 82 is going to be HARD. We are against a team that has been playing extremely well for the last few weeks, standings be damned, while we look to be almost completely out of gas. The fact that for some reason we historically seem to get dumpstered by this team is also of no comfort.
I picked a hell of a week to quit huffing glue.
The Good - The long view is still extremely positive. We control our own destiny as a potential playoff team in Game 82 of the season. This is incredible compared to where we were under Bannister, and even for a good amount of time under Monty. At the beginning of the season, if we had said to everyone, you've got control of your own destiny to make the playoffs in Game 82, while seeing additional growth from Kyrou, watching Broberg and Holloway blossom into franchise cornerstones, and seeing Bolduc turn into a solid top 9 player, I think everyone would be ecstatic, and rightfully so!
The Bad - there are A LOT of blinking lights on the dashboard right now. The running out of gas narrative is real. Since we opened a can of whoopass on Montreal, the underlying metrics are extremely unfavorable, even while extracting additional wins. Since the Montreal game, we have been 28th in xGF% at 44% ahead of only Boston, Nashville, Chicago, and Dallas (Yes Dallas has played like absolute ass these last couple of weeks, getting 100% bailed out by goaltending). Now, we do have a GF% of 51.6%, which ranks us 15th - Monty's teams have always outperformed their xGF%, but when we were at our best, we were still well over 50% from an xGF% perspective, while then outperforming that number in GF% - we were truly a wagon for a bit there.
Schenn has become a ghost these last 8-9 games, with 1 secondary assist and a 38.6 xGF% since the Montreal game. This is the second time this season he's gone AWOL when we've really needed him. In fact, basically everyone on our team has a bad xGF%, with the exception of Holloway and.....Bolduc, who our coaching staff still seems dead set against playing in the top 6 for a significant period of time. Even with basically every metric screaming that Bolduc is outplaying Neighbors, Monty is still stapling Neighbors to our best players and giving him far more 5v5 time (Almost 2 minutes a game more) then Bolduc. I get that Neighbors is everyone's friend, and he's great in the room, and Schenn loves him, and he plays hard, and blah blah blah - but at some point someone on our coaching staff needs to realize that Bolduc is a superior player and act accordingly.
Now for the Ugly - Our last game is against Utah - who over the same stretch of time is the BEST team in the league at 5v5 xGF% with a sparkling 60.75 - and a GF% that still leaves them in the top 10 at 56.67 - plus this team always seems to torment us. I would almost want to play any other team then Utah - they have played hard down the stretch even though they haven't really been seriously in the playoff picture for the last few weeks. Winning Game 82 is going to be HARD. We are against a team that has been playing extremely well for the last few weeks, standings be damned, while we look to be almost completely out of gas. The fact that for some reason we historically seem to get dumpstered by this team is also of no comfort.
I picked a hell of a week to quit huffing glue.
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Well one of you guys needs to email Monty and tell him how to properly evaluate hockey players. Clearly the guy doesn't have a clue.
Bolduc has been solid lately but his last 4 goals were on the PP. He's still got a ways to go to be a better 5-on-5 player than Neighbours.
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Yes, the guys who earn millions of dollars to make these decisions and watch the players closely on a daily basis. Not to mention the years of experience. Correct.
But if you think you know better than them, then I applaud your overconfidence.
BadgersandBlues
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Ok, fine. I'll give you numbers, since you want to troll:
Since Monty took over, of players with at least 150 5v5 minutes, Bolduc has the 2nd best xGF% of anyone on the team, the only other player better is Holloway. Neighbors is dead last on our team, at 47.11%. Bolduc is also 2nd best in HDCF% at 55.74, behind only Holloway. Neighbors is only ahead of Walker and Texier at 48.09. Bolduc has played a total of 84 5v5 minutes with Thomas. Neighbors has played 449 minutes. Neighbors has a higher % of offensive zone faceoffs.
Bolduc is clearly the superior 5v5 player compared to Neighbors.
I don't think Ovechkin could score goals 5v5 with Sunny and Joseph as his line mates.
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Lol I'm trolling? I'm guessing the coaches have access to the same numbers you do. That doesn't make you any smarter with regard to evaluating a hockey player. The issue is that fans seem to think "the numbers" are the only thing that matters.
Maybe you should be asking yourself why Bolduc isn't being given a bigger role instead of acting like you know everything because you can read advanced stats. I'm guessing it's because he's not ready to handle the tough defensive assignments that line gets on a regular basis, but hey what do I know? I don't have a fancy stat to back that up.
Bolduc hasn't scored an even strength goal since March 22, and only 1 ES assist since then. Jake has 7 points during that time, all ES. I'm sure you'll say that's 100% because of linemates but the bottom line is that Bolduc hasn't been producing outside of being set up for one timers on the PP. Have you considered the possibility that some of his advanced numbers are better because the third line probably gets easier matchups on average than the other 3 lines?
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NHL coaches and GMs regularly make bad decisions that cost teams. Noticing something like this and suggesting this could be one of them shouldn't be controversial. Also a big reason for the Blues success down the stretch has been Bolduc driving play on the 3rd line. It is weird that with players needed to step up and fill a hole there, he hasn't been given the chance to.
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Take it with a grain of salt, but I do remember JR hinting that the secondary logo from the WC was something we'd see again in the future. I do think a "rebrand" makes sense from a revenue generation perspective. I do hope that secondary logo stays, it's cool to have a Blues version of a STL.
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Barring anything unforeseen, give me the Bluenote and I'll be happy. I like the uniqueness of the powder blue and yellow, so I'd prefer a set like that over what we've had as the base set over the last 20 years, but at the end of the day, just give me the Bluenote.
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A slightly tweaked powder blue (I don't need the acute OG logo for those jerseys to work) and white version as our base + 80s era throwback would be my ideal/wishlist. Either 80s era. Those jerseys are ripe for a refresh/reimagining, IMO.
I think most of the NHL -including even fans from rival fanbases- would rejoice if we switched to powder blues.
I'm also a fan of the STL logo they've been teasing.
I think most of the NHL -including even fans from rival fanbases- would rejoice if we switched to powder blues.
I'm also a fan of the STL logo they've been teasing.
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I absolutely adore that STL logo as a Treble Clef. 10/10, no notes. I'd buy the shit out of anything that had that on it.
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I am asking why Bolduc isn't being given a bigger role (Ok maybe more like demanding then asking) - that's literally the whole point of my post(s). I'm a f***ing guy on a couch, if I can see it, why can't they? To come back and say, Oh but they make all this money, clearly they know better then you:
Gustav Forsling was placed on Waivers. He's went on to become the #1 D for the Stanley Cup Champion Panthers. Adolis Garcia (Baseball player) was DFA'd twice and went on to win ALCS MVP, a Gold Glove, and make the All-MLB team for end of year all-star while winning a World Series. I could go on.
To act like people in a position of power and authority can't make mistakes is the dumbest f***ing take I've ever heard.
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Hey @bleedblue1223, check this guy out. He’s saying Bolduc will be as good as Gustav Forsling!! I kid! I kid!
bleedblue1223
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He's "comparing" the players in the sense that sometimes coaches don't make the right decisions. So, again, why do you think BlueMed was comparing Jiricek's D+1 season to Faber's D+1 season, it's not like he was doing that for no reason at all.
On the topic of Bolduc, I don't particularly care what line he plays on. He's been a good player, he hasn't been so good to the point that he has to get top 6 minutes, and I'm expecting him to make an even bigger jump next season, especially if we are able to bring in an upgrade over Sunny.
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My point was I didn’t think he was comparing the two talent-wise and I thought it was pretty presumptuous of you to assume every other reader here would think the same as you. No harm no foul. It’s not like I’m trying to cover for BlueMed….just takin the piss is all
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I've been waiting for a rebrand for a few years now. I was pretty disappointed in 2014 when the Blues "debuted" their current home/away jerseys only to essentially copy their design from the 1990s-early 2000s. I thought the Reebok jerseys were a step forward, but it doesn't surprise me how often organizations want to hold on to the past given how conservative the league is. I feel sorry for Kings fans because their recent "rebrand" was going back to their old chevy logo, which many of their younger fans can't really connect with. It is true that retros and throwbacks have been a hit (Mighty Ducks), but it's only a matter of time when teams begin to run out of them and have to start thinking creatively again.
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I was just telling my wife how I generally preferred the MLS teams' branding to most other leages, since most of the clubs are so new that the branding still looks contemporary.
I've never been a fan of the navy blue, and although I don't mind the blue they use on their regular jerseys, I definitely prefer the powder blue. I also prefer the old Bluenote to the modern, thicker Note. But I think the 2024 version of the Note shown in the video is great. It's sort of a middle-ground between the classic and modern Note, and it looks bold. I like it. And the STL logo is amazing. I would instantly buy a hat with that on it.
I'm hoping we make the 2017 Winter Classic (our current alternate jersey) or something close to it our main home jersey, and that they make a white version of it for our road jersey.
I'm hoping we make the 2017 Winter Classic (our current alternate jersey) or something close to it our main home jersey, and that they make a white version of it for our road jersey.
