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Beninnola said:
Bannister took over last year and then the team outperformed, almost made the playoffs.

Then the guy started the season with Buchnevich as a center, half a blue line, then lost Broberg and Thomas, then was fired.

I was happy when we signed Monty. I think he’s a good coach.

It’s disingenuous to then take this heater were on and say bannister sucks while restricting the aggregate stat you’re using’s sample size to the “obviously going to be bad” part of bannisters career.i think our outperformance is depth chart driven. We have leverage almost every night. I don’t like the stat comparison argument where it’s bannister had this stat and now it’s this stat so therefore bannister sucks and its all because of Monty. I think Monty can be good and that previous argument not true.

It’s irritating to me and I’m not drew bannister nor related. I’m fighting for a dude who isn’t getting a fair look. That’s where I’m at.

I don’t want him over Monty. I dont want him as our coach. I don’t think he deserves to be shit on. He was doing fine and then opportunity occurred and that’s that. This is the point I wanted to make and I’m sorry I devolved it to the other stuff. Monty gets credit from me. It’s not 70%. We’re on a heater. If you look at any teams stats while they’re on a winning streak: they’re going to be among the best in the league. What if we also used stats from before 4 nations when he was our coach and we were below .500? Of course these things take time, but so did acquiring players and players becoming healthy. It’s more likely to me the players being acquired and becoming healthy is why we’re winning, but also includes positive contribution from a good coach.

Here’s my compromise:

I’ll compare bannisters takeover to end of srason to Monty’s takeover to end of season. After this season can see how much better Monty’s run was - things like goals per 60 and other rate metrics will be interesting, far more interesting than an aggregating metric. I can get behind that better than I can get behind the current framing, and it would include a large amount of similar games for both guys.
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The team last year sucked and the goalies carried them. Was Bannister in net?
 
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BlueMed said:


Robert Thomas is an elite center in this league, but do Blues fans recognize that?
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I would say absolutely yes, since we’ve been banging the drum online about how good he is for awhile now.

The league is finally starting to recognize that too. He’s became the new Backstrom/Barkov in the fact that they were always looked at as the “most underrated 1C in the league” until they became properly rated.
 
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BlueMed said:


Robert Thomas is an elite center in this league, but do Blues fans recognize that?
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This Blues fan does.
He's been a PPG center for 4 years now and has really grown into an exceptional defensive player.
As crazy as this sounds, he has a shot at hitting 500 career points next year as a 26 year old(granted, he'd need an incredible year to do it). He should easily eclipse 1000 before he hangs them up.
 
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jura said:
* since Feb. 1 :popcorn:
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He has been since 2021.

Quantitatively: Thomas ranks 6th in assists and 11th in points per game amongst centers. His face-off percentage has gradually uptrended and sits at a respectable 54.8% this season.

Qualitatively: His speed and edgework are exceptional and his seam passes are pinpoint. He also has a pretty accurate shot, which is still slightly underutilized, and he is defensively responsible. There are really no marked deficiencies in his skillset.
 
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Snuggerud is practicing on the top line playing with Thomas since Holloway is hurt. He is also practicing on PP1 now instead of PP2.

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I'd take 3/6. I have a feeling Colorado dominates tomorrow's game. They'll certainly be motivated to return the loss we handed them last time.

Blues seem like they're running on fumes a bit. Playing with that intensity for 12 games is incredibly difficult to do, so there's your let-down spot. I think they get at least 3 points from WPG and EDM though. Oilers could be without McDavid and could also be without Draisaitl in that one.

I feel like an ugly loss to the Avalanche tomorrow could give them the spark they need the rest of the way.
 
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I think we have one more win in us. We’ve got the wildcard offense right now - lotsa hot folks - nice mix of rush and possession based chances across all lines, nicely restricting opposition.

The Avs have been pretty close to .500 on the road. We’ve got the hot goaltender (assuming binnington). We’ve had a nice amount of rest in the very recent past.

I thought about it. I’d wait 1 more game to sit Snuggerud. We need the potential against the Avs - they’re a fantastic group. I would not show Snuggerud to the oilers or jets - give them Texier/Matt J - I’d make the team weird versus those 2 so they don’t get a good read on us. It would be nice to make it past a round or two in the playoffs and it would be nice if that did happen if we could be a totally different challenge with potentiallly jimmy snipes, Holloway and Parayko making us a quite different opponent just a few weeks later. I think snuggerud could grow quite a bit in a short time - his skating and jump seems to be there - and I think a few press box games will also help - different perspective and will give him a nice reset to reflect on his first 3 games - probably will help him prepare and allows a little time to pass so things aren’t new anymore.

I think Snuggerud is extremely close. I wasn’t expecting his skating to be as strong as I feel it is. I’d play him Avs, then sit 2-3, then get him in at least the last game but probably both tbh. Maybe then you can start the playoffs, if we make it, and if we’re lucky to be healthy, with Snuggerud as the first guy out looking in. I’d start Matt J/Texier over him game 1 - not because one guy is better or not - but instead: Physicality will be a challenge no matter what - every other guy on the opposing team sees a guy who has been a professional athlete for less than a month. They’re going to see that as an opportunity to win via physicality. Putting Mr snipes into a position for success looks a lot like making sure he’s able to rest and recover and -grow- (not shrink) as he adjusts to nhl cadence - way higher than college. Seems like a couple games on and a couple off, and so on, would be a way to do it. There’s a mix of reps and rest that has to be respected or the dudes gonna look like skeletor in about 28 days. It’s not the time of year for that.
 
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kimzey59 said:
This Blues fan does.
He's been a PPG center for 4 years now and has really grown into an exceptional defensive player.
As crazy as this sounds, he has a shot at hitting 500 career points next year as a 26 year old(granted, he'd need an incredible year to do it). He should easily eclipse 1000 before he hangs them up.
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I posted this elsewhere, too, but he will be skyrocketing up the club record books over the next 2 seasons. Our club records are pretty top loaded with Bernie and Hull. Thomas will clear the field and be only behind them in pts and assists well before 30.

I think if Panger were still here the general Bluss fan would have greater context to -how- good he is. Panger did such a good job of focusing on elite plays and just generally contextualizing talent.
 
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taylord22 said:
I posted this elsewhere, too, but he will be skyrocketing up the club record books over the next 2 seasons. Our club records are pretty top loaded with Bernie and Hull. Thomas will clear the field and be only behind them in pts and assists well before 30.

I think if Panger were still here the general Bluss fan would have greater context to -how- good he is. Panger did such a good job of focusing on elite plays and just generally contextualizing talent.
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Not a game goes by that I don't miss Panger being between the benches.

JK and Rivers have started to pick up the enthusiasm. It only took an 11 game winning streak.
 
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A moment of appreciation for one of the most important men in Blues history - Tom Stillman.

Mr. Stillman and his group are the best owners in the history of the Blues, dating all the way back to the Salomon family who brought NHL hockey to St. Louis.

Mr. Stillman built this franchise into one of the top professional sports teams in America and he has earned the gratitude of all Blues fans. Some of us waited since 1967 for the Stanley Cup. So thank you to Mr. Stillman.

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Blues fans and the city of St. Louis a jolt when they learned that in January 1976 that the team had sought and been given permission by the other NHL owners to move or sell the St. Louis Blues.

Blues attorney Jim Cullen reiterated that, "if we had our choice, we'd prefer to stay in St. Louis. The hockey team itself is making a profit, but we're losing money on the building and we're losing more on the building than we're making on the team....We are trying to make it clear that we cannot continue to operate under the present conditions."

Things remained relatively quiet for the next 12 months until "Black Monday" on January 31, 1977. On that day, numerous Blues employees were fired so that the team could meet its Feb. 1 payroll. Among those let go was Senior Vice-President Lynn Patrick, the Salomon's loyal lieutenant and the first employee ever hired by the Blues in 1966. A gracious Patrick said he held no ill feelings about the move saying, "I could see this coming. The team was short of money and something had to be done. I know the situation and I know it isn't good."
 
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