2024-2025 Blues Multi-Purpose Thread.

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Was originally planning to just attend the Vancouver game, but ended up catching all three games due to a family issue that had me in town for a few extra days. I sat closer to the ice than I normally do - I typically prefer a higher vantage point to watch the play develop, so it was interesting watching some of these guys that closely in a game (vs. camp) environment.

A couple of takeaways I had:

Thomas: Not the best stretch of hockey he's played, but a couple of things stood out. For one, he doesn't get nearly enough credit for his defensive positioning. He's a nuisance to break out against because he can read the play so well. The second, and more noticeable thing is just how strong he is on his edges. He may not be the fastest skater, but he's an incredibly strong skater with elite edgework. The separation he creates off his spins and turns was rivaled only by Hughes. The gaps he creates doesn't come across as much on TV as it does close-up and ice level.

Holloway: We all know the motor is incredible, but I was laughing at how relaxed he looked after sprinting up the ice, crashing into guys with reckless abandon - it seemed like he was barely breaking a sweat. Outside of Thomas, he seemed to be the guy hardest to push off the puck.

Neighbors: Big Neighbors fan, but I don't think I've given him enough credit for how quick he is, nor how big of a motor he has. His game is quietly building/rounding out very well in all areas of the ice. Made a lot of really smart small plays to keep the play going.

Fowler: Knew he was a great player, obviously, but his puck retrieval mechanics really stood out - just ELITE at first touches. He positions his body and leverages his skating to make sure that nearly every time he's retrieving a puck, he's moving it from his forehand/on his toes.

WTF Line: I was very critical of that line prior to 4 Nations. They weren't good despite what some of our media personalities were selling (Kerbs and Rivers, in particular). What a 180. All three of them were impressive -and Walker is just a blast to watch up-close- but Torpo is the straw that stirs that drink. His size, speed and reach busts up opposing possession enough for a secondary player to come in and break the play up. I really hope Monty pushes him to work with a skills coach. Great player as is, but man...if those hands were just a little softer.

Sundqvist: I'm pretty sure he could play any position on the ice -including goaltender- and thrive. The dude is just a small play machine - he understands the game so well.

Those were probably the main things. Obviously, yes, Kyrou is incredibly fast and twitchy - he looks like a nightmare to defend. He's also much stronger and a much bigger shit stirrer than I gave him credit for - he was laughing in guys faces pretty consistently. Broberg - incredible skater. Reminds me a lot more of Bouwmeester in terms of how he moves than I had thought...but is much more comfortable with the puck, and does not give one shit about how much risk he's putting himself in to make a play. Other guys like Schenn, I had seen quite a few times, so no real surprises there. Makes tons of small plays and subtle interferences. Clearly has a good feel for the game. Elephant's memory about what happens over the course of a game. Sherwood whacked Thomas across the back of the ankles, the next period, Schenn two handed him hard across the ankles twice during the same sequence.

Other small moments worth mentioning:

  • Thomas and Barile were watching Hughes in warmup and having a conversation. Sherwood caught them and took some sort of issue. Thomas and Ray both started yapping at him pretty hard, which was hilarious to see Ray get that fired up.
  • Neighbors said something to Sherwood that was so funny that Bolduc snotted on himself prior to an OZ faceoff. Sherwood was less amused.
  • O'Reilly and Dvorsky had a brief conversation in warmup that Dvorsky initiated - got a tap on the shins from O-Reilly when it was over.
  • Bedard was seeking out Thomas for questions/discussion during TV timeouts prior to faceoffs.
  • I was taken aback, but not really surprised, at how much trash opposing teams throw at Binnington. Vancouver was a constant stream of yapping. I don't think Binnington glanced at them once - he was lasered in. By contrast, our guys did none of it.

Thanks for all the fun facts! I feel the same about most of what you've said. Neighbours really does seem to be rounding into a very good all-around player.

This is exactly how I was planning to respond, but better written. Bolduc got his money’s worth, I’ve got no issue with the penalty call or fine. I’d also bet the amount of the fine that some combo of Thomas and/or Schenn ends up footing the bill lol.

The McCarron hit was bad and properly penalized but not suspendable IMO as well.


Loved reading this whole post, but particularly the part about Sundqvist. He’s caught so much shit this year from people saying he’s cooked/too slow/not an NHL player any more and I can’t help but roll my eyes. He may be the smartest player on the team. Yes he’s not fast, but his brain more than makes up for it 99% of the time. He’s always making the right play and sacrificing in key moments to help the team win.

Agree on Sundqvist. I feel like once a narrative sticks, people just repeat it whether it's true or not. Sunny might not be the 3C we want, and he might be better suited as a 4C, but he is a pretty effective player. He doesn't hurt the team at all and does lots of little things that are needed to help a team win.
 
Look, I love Sunny, and I agree that he's smarter/better than he's given credit for. But let's be honest, he's got 17 points (24 point pace) on the season. In 2019, our 3C Bozak finished with 38 points (43 point pace). I just don't think anyone would argue that -- as smart as he is -- that he is the proverbial straw that stirs the drink. If the Thomas/Schenn lines are off, you can't count on Sunny to carry the day. You can be the smartest guy in the league, but at a certain point the physical tools catch up to you, and that's what we're seeing from Sunny this season. Time comes for us all.

He's not good enough to play in the top 9 anymore, and that's fine! The problem isn't Sunny, per se, it's that he's playing one line too high. He would be an excellent 4th liner that I don't think anyone would have an issue with.
Sundqvist has a dzone start rate of 62% at 5v5 and is rocking a sub 98 PDO. If people are only looking at his point totals then that actually explains a lot of the discourse around him this year.

Sundqvist is exactly the type of veteran you want sheltering and teaching young players. He can cover defensively and brings the intangibles in spades. And he is still an effective NHL player. He literally just turned 31 (happy bday Sunny btw haha). He could easily still play several more years and be an effective bottom 6er.

Finally, I’m calling BS on this 3rd vs 4th line distinction. Faksa and Sundqvist have very similar TOI this season. In a lot of ways, our “3rd” line IS our 4th line. Our bottom 6 has two similar lines that are just utilized slightly differently.
 
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In an ideal world, our 3rd line is more of a scoring line, and Sunny leads the 4th line. That's not a knock on Sunny, it's more so highlighting what we need to get to that next level as an overall team. Sunny might be limited offensively, but he's still net positive because of his great defensive work. Same thing can be said about Joseph.

Sunny is 1st on the team among forwards in xGF% and Joseph is 5th.
 
I say to be the aggressor. Come out on the first couple of shifts and lay some hard hits on their top players. Stamkos, ROR, Forsberg and Marchessault won't like it and then see how the game goes. Or have Faksa or Tucker throw down from the opening faceoff with whoever is on the ice from their team.

And then go out and get the two points, which is the most important part of Thursday.
I wouldn't mind seeing this at all.
 
Sundqvist has a dzone start rate of 62% at 5v5 and is rocking a sub 98 PDO. If people are only looking at his point totals then that actually explains a lot of the discourse around him this year.

Sundqvist is exactly the type of veteran you want sheltering and teaching young players. He can cover defensively and brings the intangibles in spades. And he is still an effective NHL player. He literally just turned 31 (happy bday Sunny btw haha). He could easily still play several more years and be an effective bottom 6er.

Finally, I’m calling BS on this 3rd vs 4th line distinction. Faksa and Sundqvist have very similar TOI this season. In a lot of ways, our “3rd” line IS our 4th line. Our bottom 6 has two similar lines that are just utilized slightly differently.
The way this Blues team is constructed, I think it matters. Without a super elite talent who can single handedly tilt the ice, this team needs 3 scoring lines, and Sunny is best utilized as a 4th line center.
 
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Ok

So Utah just lost to detroit in regulation tonight. i think they're just too far back now.

If my math/predictions are correct, I think our magic number is 93 points to lock down the last wildcard. Obviously with how we're playing, there is potential for more. But just being safe, given the schedule, i'm confident in saying we will win 6 of our last 10 which nets us 12 more points. and that's not assuming we lose one of those L games in OT.

Vancouver, would need to win 8 of their last 11 to get to 94 points to surpass us. We look like we'd win the ROW/RW tiebreaker if they got to 93. I just don't see that happening given they play NYI, CBJ, WPG, SEA, ANA, VGK, COL, DAL, MIN, SJS and VGK again. I think they'll win maybe 6 of those games, if we're being generous, let's go with 7.

Calgary has the most games left with 13, but would need to win 8 of those to get to 93 points, but again, we look to win the ROW/RW tiebreaker presumably. So let's say they need points in 9+ of those games depending. They play SEA, DAL, EDM, COL, UTA, ANA, VGK, SJS, ANA, MIN, SJS, VGK, LAK(In LA). If i'm being generous, they maybe win 7 of those games. which even with an two OTL and 7 wins, they'd be at 93 and lose the tiebreaker to us most likely.

So all in all, we are in control of our destiny. If we win 6 of our last 10 without any loser points, we should be able to lock up a spot. If we win 7 of our last 10 and maybe mix in an OTL to a colorado or something. I think it's guaranteed.

Exciting times here for us!
 
I'm starting to look more optimisticly. The wild are only 4pts up on the Blues but do have a game in hand. However, I can very reasonably see the Blues tied in pts with the Wild after Thursday's games are complete. Blues have the Canadians and Predators. The Wild have the Knights tonight in a back to back with travel from Dallas last night and the Capitals Thursday. Both are home games for the Wild but both opponents are top teams.
 
I'm starting to look more optimisticly. The wild are only 4pts up on the Blues but do have a game in hand. However, I can very reasonably see the Blues tied in pts with the Wild after Thursday's games are complete. Blues have the Canadians and Predators. The Wild have the Knights tonight in a back to back with travel from Dallas last night and the Capitals Thursday. Both are home games for the Wild but both opponents are top teams.
Canadiens are no pushover. If the Blues play like they did against Chicago and Nashville, they'll be lucky to get a single point, much less two.
 
Canadiens are no pushover. If the Blues play like they did against Chicago and Nashville, they'll be lucky to get a single point, much less two.
I never said the Canadians would be a pushover. Nor will the Predators on Thursday. But I sure wouldn't be surprised if by the end Thursday we are tied with Minny.

BTW, the Canadians have lost 5 of their last 10 games. Just that 4 were in OT/SO.
 
I went to Moneypuck to try and find interesting things about the Habs and decided not to post about them. It’s just gonna piss off hockey gods for me to detail their situation.

I like our chances.
 
Ok

So Utah just lost to detroit in regulation tonight. i think they're just too far back now.

If my math/predictions are correct, I think our magic number is 93 points to lock down the last wildcard. Obviously with how we're playing, there is potential for more. But just being safe, given the schedule, i'm confident in saying we will win 6 of our last 10 which nets us 12 more points. and that's not assuming we lose one of those L games in OT.

Vancouver, would need to win 8 of their last 11 to get to 94 points to surpass us. We look like we'd win the ROW/RW tiebreaker if they got to 93. I just don't see that happening given they play NYI, CBJ, WPG, SEA, ANA, VGK, COL, DAL, MIN, SJS and VGK again. I think they'll win maybe 6 of those games, if we're being generous, let's go with 7.

Calgary has the most games left with 13, but would need to win 8 of those to get to 93 points, but again, we look to win the ROW/RW tiebreaker presumably. So let's say they need points in 9+ of those games depending. They play SEA, DAL, EDM, COL, UTA, ANA, VGK, SJS, ANA, MIN, SJS, VGK, LAK(In LA). If i'm being generous, they maybe win 7 of those games. which even with an two OTL and 7 wins, they'd be at 93 and lose the tiebreaker to us most likely.

So all in all, we are in control of our destiny. If we win 6 of our last 10 without any loser points, we should be able to lock up a spot. If we win 7 of our last 10 and maybe mix in an OTL to a colorado or something. I think it's guaranteed.

Exciting times here for us!
I get your analysis and I don't disagree that 93 points might be enough.

But we don't yet control our own destiny and we very well might need more than 93 points. That number assumes that Calgary only gets 15 of 26 possible points (or 16 points without getting 2 more regulation wins than us). At the end of the day, if both us and Calgary win out, Calgary is making the playoffs. If Calgary jumps us, we also have a potential path if Minnesota loses 4 more games than us. But either way, we need help from Calgary or a lot of help from Minnesota.

Let's say we go 6-4 to get 93 points and all 6 wins come in regulation. We would miss the playoffs if Minnesota goes 4-7 (with 2+ regulation wins) and Calgary goes 8-5 (all 8 in regulation). Calgary could also go 8-4-1 or 7-3-3 to get 94 points and not need the regulation win tiebreaker. Those aren't crazy scenarios and they still require Calgary to lose more games than us.

93 points might be enough, but it isn't a magic number or controlling our own destiny. I don't think Calgary is a good hockey team, but they have won 3 straight and have banked 13 points in their last 10 games. We can't confidently assume that they won't get 16+ points in their next 13 games.
 
Bolduc shoud've been fined, Bolduc should've done what he did, that's the type of culture you want and you want to see that out of the young guys, and the vets will take care of him in whatever form they do. Maybe it's them straight up covering it or he earned a "discount" for whatever rookie thing they make him do.
I don't personally like players intentionally hurting other players, but circumstances be what they may, this was the type of reaction I like to see from our players. Again, I don't to see some chickenshit stuff like what Spurgeon did to Buch, but I want to see fight and comradery between our group. This team may not be the most talented, but they do have enough talent to be a good team and the morale between players is super high, so we are getting a glimpse of what they can be. I haven't seen any player in this lineup not stick up for someone if need be, and I couldn't say that at any point in the 2010s besides 2019 and the following year. I think Monty has a good grasp of the identity of the team and I think he's doing exactly what Berube did when he came in. The only thing that matters in this league truly is the bond between teammates; if you don't have that, then you almost definitely will never win a cup.

Sundqvist has a dzone start rate of 62% at 5v5 and is rocking a sub 98 PDO. If people are only looking at his point totals then that actually explains a lot of the discourse around him this year.

Sundqvist is exactly the type of veteran you want sheltering and teaching young players. He can cover defensively and brings the intangibles in spades. And he is still an effective NHL player. He literally just turned 31 (happy bday Sunny btw haha). He could easily still play several more years and be an effective bottom 6er.

Finally, I’m calling BS on this 3rd vs 4th line distinction. Faksa and Sundqvist have very similar TOI this season. In a lot of ways, our “3rd” line IS our 4th line. Our bottom 6 has two similar lines that are just utilized slightly differently.
I agree, Sunny is the perfect veteran architype you want to have on your roster. He has won, he has been a key part of a winning team, he plays an honest game, he is defensively responsible despite what numbers may say, and he is still an effective player in this league. In my ideal world, he would be on a line with Faksa which gives us two options if someone is thrown out at the faceoff dot, and I think those two players play a similar game. I'd be lying though if I said I didn't like the WTF line. They bring a lot of energy with Walker, bring a good defensive game in Faksa, and they bring a speed and checking element in Toropchenko that is deceptively apt at contributing points. The 3rd line could be a better scoring line, sure, but I think this is the type of bottom 6 we need at the moment.
 
Just thinking

How much of Faulks struggles this season is due to kind of letting Broberg yolo. The process seems to be paying out in both Faulk and Broberg now. Seems they’re finding the balance more often and obviously tonight dominating 5v5.

I don’t think anybody would look at Faulk and say, “I can’t wait to put that guy into a stay at home defenders role”. But that’s what happened when we seem to have told Broberg to skate with the puck as much as he wants, and I don’t think I would have expected Faulk to be amazing at that type of role, especially at first.
 
Just thinking

How much of Faulks struggles this season is due to kind of letting Broberg yolo. The process seems to be paying out in both Faulk and Broberg now. Seems they’re finding the balance more often and obviously tonight dominating 5v5.

I don’t think anybody would look at Faulk and say, “I can’t wait to put that guy into a stay at home defenders role”. But that’s what happened when we seem to have told Broberg to skate with the puck as much as he wants, and I don’t think I would have expected Faulk to be amazing at that type of role, especially at first.

I agree and also I think this goes to part of the conversation on why some of our best defensive draft picks (Dunn, Walman, Mikkola) have had better success elsewhere. Broberg was signed to essentially a bridge deal via offer sheet and we gave up assets to acquire him. Bannister at the beginning of the season had to play him and until Leddy came back we didn’t have the defensive depth for the coach to cut his minutes if he played poorly or didn’t play the system. I doubt this level of freedom was never on the table for Dunn, Walman, or Mikkola.

To your point, Faulk is just a savvy veteran and knows his young partner at the beginning of the season was going to play “Cowboy Hockey” (Faulks words) and was covering for him early in the season. Since the four nations, we’re now witnessing a better balance in the pairing as both of them have gained trust and knowledge in each other, and can predict each others actions more accurately. Allowing Faulk to be more aggressive when opportunity present itself.
 
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I get your analysis and I don't disagree that 93 points might be enough.

But we don't yet control our own destiny and we very well might need more than 93 points. That number assumes that Calgary only gets 15 of 26 possible points (or 16 points without getting 2 more regulation wins than us). At the end of the day, if both us and Calgary win out, Calgary is making the playoffs. If Calgary jumps us, we also have a potential path if Minnesota loses 4 more games than us. But either way, we need help from Calgary or a lot of help from Minnesota.

Let's say we go 6-4 to get 93 points and all 6 wins come in regulation. We would miss the playoffs if Minnesota goes 4-7 (with 2+ regulation wins) and Calgary goes 8-5 (all 8 in regulation). Calgary could also go 8-4-1 or 7-3-3 to get 94 points and not need the regulation win tiebreaker. Those aren't crazy scenarios and they still require Calgary to lose more games than us.

93 points might be enough, but it isn't a magic number or controlling our own destiny. I don't think Calgary is a good hockey team, but they have won 3 straight and have banked 13 points in their last 10 games. We can't confidently assume that they won't get 16+ points in their next 13 games.
what I meant with 93 pts was that it’s a realistic minimum that we could conservatively reach that likely could see us in the playoffs. I believe 94+ barring CGY doing something insane damn near guarantees our spot. Especially since we presumably would win the tiebreaker as well. Hell, there’s even a solid chance now that Minnesota gets passed up by us and even Calgary with Kaprizov and Ek out.

But yeah I get what you’re saying, magic number wasn’t the correct wording for what I was meaning to say.

Just saying I’m extremely optimistic about our playoff chances.
 
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