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AyeBah said:
Its insane how thin this team is up front.
Thomas, Kyrou, Buch, Holloway, Schenn, Bolduc. Neighbours
The separation after the top 7 is mind boggling

Faksa, Sunny, Walker, Torp, Joseph, Texier. These guys don't even leave the press box on a playoff team and we have 2 of them minimum in our top 9 every game. Zero depth at forward right now
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I’ve said this for years… we rely on .930 save % nightly to win games, and when we don’t get it, we lose.
 
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Majorityof1 said:
Those Montgomery vs start of the season comparisons at 5v5 ignore adding Fowler and Thomas/Broberg missing significant games early. Thomas hasn't been Thomas but hes better than not having 4 Cs at all.
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You're throwing good money after bad with these takes. The 5 on 5 play, its just better. Period. Its not contender status, but its better and its something to build on with an anticipated infusion of young talent.

The special teams and the mediocre goaltending have been what is nailing the playoff coffin closed.

I agree with you that Bannister got a bit of a raw deal. But he also didn't do anything to show a spark of being a special NHL coach who was going to lead to eventual Cup contender status. I don't lose any sleep over him having to look for his next opportunity somewhere else. Your conditional analysis of Montgomery as the Blues head coach is starting to look obsessive, and...like a weird issue to perseverate about. Maybe we just lack more good stuff to dig into, but I don't understand why you are still bringing this up.
 
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Stupendous Yappi said:
Yeah. I can't quite emotionally get myself to root for losses, but I'm kind of hoping they hit the lottery at this point. We just have to be in the top 11 (I think) and get really lucky. If its going to take a longshot, why not win the lottery with the lowest odds (that still lets us get into the top pick)? I want it all!
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Still would prefer Chicago win that lottery. This is not a very good class. You've got a lot of players in the pecking order for first, a couple interesting prospects in the high first, and then it falls off completely. There's about four could be first in this draft, but wouldn't sniff top three in a stronger draft. Everyone has glaring flaws, and nobody in front has really separated themselves from the pack.

That's not a draft I'd want to win the lottery in. 2026? Absolutely, but not this year.
 
Memento said:
Still would prefer Chicago win that lottery. This is not a very good class. You've got a lot of players in the pecking order for first, a couple interesting prospects in the high first, and then it falls off completely. There's about four could be first in this draft, but wouldn't sniff top three in a stronger draft. Everyone has glaring flaws, and nobody in front has really separated themselves from the pack.

That's not a draft I'd want to win the lottery in. 2026? Absolutely, but not this year.
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why not just root for Chicago to never win the lottery?
 
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Stealth JD said:
why not just root for Chicago to never win the lottery?
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Because I don't want them to win the lottery in 2026 when Gavin McKenna is the star of the group and allegedly better than Bedard. They're going to win it; they utterly suck. I just want them to win it in a very weak draft.

Could you imagine Chicago with McKenna and Bedard on the same team? I think I'd quit watching hockey if that happened because then I'd know the league is rigged and wants everyone to forget all of the bullshit that's happened with that team.
 
Just as an FYI to everyone re: Draft Lottery - Yes, there is a rule that you can't "win" the lottery more then twice every five years (Thanks to the Oilers). However, that rule doesn't apply if you don't actually move up when you "win" the lottery. So for instance if Chicago has the worst record in the league this year, and they "win" the lottery to keep their first overall status, that doesn't predicate them losing the ability to move up in future seasons. Like, San Jose "won" the lottery last year for Celebrini, but since they were the team with the worst record, it didn't start their clock. Chicago won the lottery in 2023 and moved up to take Bedard, but they could finish last this season, "win" the first overall pick, then be third worst next season and still be eligible to "win" and move up to first overall.
 
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Remember when Berube called out the "top" players and said they are getting paid a ton and not doing their jobs and dont care about the team? How they play like mindless zombies with no emotion, grit, heart and how you cant play in this league and win doing that.

Well, that was two coaches ago now. Seems to still remain true.

I wonder who he was talking about!!!!
 
This is an exciting playoff team if the players put in the effort. The talent is there, the constant lack of work ethic from the majority of the team is inexcusable.
 
TheDizee said:
Remember when Berube called out the "top" players and said they are getting paid a ton and not doing their jobs and dont care about the team? How they play like mindless zombies with no emotion, grit, heart and how you cant play in this league and win doing that.

Well, that was two coaches ago now. Seems to still remain true.

I wonder who he was talking about!!!!
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Hayes???

Xerloris said:
We need a Hitchcock like defense system first
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This is what they really should have been doing the last 3 years if they really cared about winning more games. It’s boring hockey, but not a lot of options with this level of talent
 
Stupendous Yappi said:
You're throwing good money after bad with these takes. The 5 on 5 play, its just better. Period. Its not contender status, but its better and its something to build on with an anticipated infusion of young talent.

The special teams and the mediocre goaltending have been what is nailing the playoff coffin closed.

I agree with you that Bannister got a bit of a raw deal. But he also didn't do anything to show a spark of being a special NHL coach who was going to lead to eventual Cup contender status. I don't lose any sleep over him having to look for his next opportunity somewhere else. Your conditional analysis of Montgomery as the Blues head coach is starting to look obsessive, and...like a weird issue to perseverate about. Maybe we just lack more good stuff to dig into, but I don't understand why you are still bringing this up.
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I don't know what you even mean by throwing good money after bad. I am never going to moderate my takes or stop speaking my mind because others don't like or disagree with what I have to say. There is a handy ignore button if you don't like it.

Bannister coached us to a better record last year with a poorer team than Montgomery has this year. That is what he did to prove he could be an NHL coach. He coached a pretty poor team to a .602 win percentage over 50 games. People are being disingenuous. They retroactively putting all the blame the players playing poorly at the start of the season on Bannister and have switched to saying it's100% the players fault we are losing under Montgomery as they have no heart. The same players, minus all the ones Bannister didn't have. Even Monty has said he needs to motivate them better. But this board, they have no heart at all, and you can't win without heart...except when Bannister was coaching, that is his fault..
 
Majorityof1 said:
I don't know what you even mean by throwing good money after bad. I am never going to moderate my takes or stop speaking my mind because others don't like or disagree with what I have to say. There is a handy ignore button if you don't like it.

Bannister coached us to a better record last year with a poorer team than Montgomery has this year. That is what he did to prove he could be an NHL coach. He coached a pretty poor team to a .602 win percentage over 50 games. People are being disingenuous. They retroactively putting all the blame the players playing poorly at the start of the season on Bannister and have switched to saying it's100% the players fault we are losing under Montgomery as they have no heart. The same players, minus all the ones Bannister didn't have. Even Monty has said he needs to motivate them better. But this board, they have no heart at all, and you can't win without heart...except when Bannister was coaching, that is his fault..
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What is the point you are making exactly? That Bannister shouldn’t have been fired?
 
TheDizee said:
Remember when Berube called out the "top" players and said they are getting paid a ton and not doing their jobs and dont care about the team? How they play like mindless zombies with no emotion, grit, heart and how you cant play in this league and win doing that.

Well, that was two coaches ago now. Seems to still remain true.

I wonder who he was talking about!!!!
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Buch?

bleedblue1223 said:
I'd expect a shutdown when we are officially out of it.
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I mean, we're pretty much out of it. We'd have to go something like 21-8-2 the rest of the season, and that doesn't even guarantee a playoff spot. You'd be asking a .490 p% team to play at a .710 p% pace. Maybe slightly lower if a few teams help us out (COL, CGY, VAN, potentially MIN).
 
ItsOnlytheRiver said:
What is the point you are making exactly? That Bannister shouldn’t have been fired?
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No. I think it was unfortunate, but Montgomery was Army's guy. I get it. I even agree with it. My point is a) Bannister was not the disaster some make him out to be, b) Montgomery is not some instant-fix band aid that is going to take us to the promise land as some thought he might be. c) the difference between the team's play has as much or more to do with personnel than coaching. d) Montgomery is fallible and can make mistakes.
 
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Majorityof1 said:
No. I think it was unfortunate, but Montgomery was Army's guy. I get it. I even agree with it. My point is a) Bannister was not the disaster some make him out to be, b) Montgomery is not some instant-fix band aid that is going to take us to the promise land as some thought he might be. c) the difference between the team's play has as much or more to do with personnel than coaching. d) Montgomery is fallible and can make mistakes.
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Those are reasonable takes. I think I only partly disagree with c. And considering that this team is very flawed, this year is a throwaway, and Montgomery is going to be here for at least two more seasons with, hopefully, better rosters… I really don’t see the point in debating it. We will have plenty of opportunity to evaluate Montgomery’s coaching acumen.
 
Blanick said:
A little upset that Buchnevich had a maintenance day the day that the boys got ran through an intense, physical, heavy skating practice.
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Agree. I’m sure that didn’t endear him to his teammates. Pair it with his lousy production and it’s time for a Bortuzzo like ass beating in practice.
 
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