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2024 2025 Around the League Part 2

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Balthazar said:
Rags failed on their picks but they already had Igor and somehow inherited Fox and Panarin. They didn't do their rebuild, they ended up cancelling that plan.

Wings are an example of what not to do. In fear of becoming Buffalo and introduce a loser mentality by tanking for too long, Yzerman signed a bunch of UFA's to keep the team competitive while the kids are growing up. As a result, they didn't stay at the bottom long enough, didn't get all the pieces needed and now it's too late.
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I think the lottery balls did a lot of damage to them, too. That team with Stützle instead of Raymond looks very different today.

My opinion has always been that what doomed the Wings rebuild is a poor center rotation. Larkin is a low end 1C, but deployed behind Stützle he would be an excellent two-way 2C. Then Compher slots in where he belongs on the third line, and now you have center depth that can go somewhere.

I just have never believed that Larkin is the kind of 1C you can win with. I don't disagree with any of your analysis, but I think with some lottery luck they could have drafted high at just the right moment.
 
expatriatedtexan said:
I know... but if you really want to rebuild. You HAVE to SELL everything while it still has value. You need to walk into the rebuild with a bunch of AHLrs on the roster and about a dozen first rounders over the next 4-6 years. And almost as many 2nd rounders.

You must absolutely hit homeruns with every pick <10. Depending upon where you are in the rebuild, you may very well do better trading any pick >10. I mean seriously, we got Jost and Newhook at 10 and 18. Could we have gotten better out of a trade? Things to keep in mind.

But a full rebuild, isn't just tanking...it's selling while you still have wanted pieces. You need to get a jump on the rebuild by injecting a bunch of draft capital before it even begins.
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I know but it's talked about as the plan but it rarely works
 
McMetal said:
I think the lottery balls did a lot of damage to them, too. That team with Stützle instead of Raymond looks very different today.

My opinion has always been that what doomed the Wings rebuild is a poor center rotation. Larkin is a low end 1C, but deployed behind Stützle he would be an excellent two-way 2C. Then Compher slots in where he belongs on the third line, and now you have center depth that can go somewhere.

I just have never believed that Larkin is the kind of 1C you can win with. I don't disagree with any of your analysis, but I think with some lottery luck they could have drafted high at just the right moment.
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Personally, I believe yzerman's UFA signings of these 'meh' players year after year did the most damage. It's like he doesn't have a plan or just can't stick to it. He's a terrible GM.
 
Alienblood said:
I know but it's talked about as the plan but it rarely works
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Exactly.. because nobody will sell everything. But if you want a full scortched earth rebuild with the best chance of success. You need to send Sakic to Vancouver in his final years. Allowing Joe to continue on one year contacts was great for Avs fans. Was horrible for asset mangemetn. These are the types of deals that make a difference with rebuilds.
 
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expatriatedtexan said:
Exactly.. because nobody will sell everything. But if you want a full scortched earth rebuild with the best chance of success. You need to send Sakic to Vancouver in his final years. Those are the types of deals that prevent teams from going all in on rebuilds.
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I'm.looking at San Jose , Anaheim and Chicago and they aren't going anywhere anytime soon. A wise man showed me it's not always a guarantee.

Sure Crosby , McDavid. MacKinnon etc. is a great start but those teams have none of that.
 
Bender said:
Personally, I believe yzerman's UFA signings of these 'meh' players year after year did the most damage. It's like he doesn't have a plan or just can't stick to it. He's a terrible GM.
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They didn't draft high enough on a couple occasions, but worst of all started to try and compete too early.

Basically made the same mistake the Avs did after making the playoffs too early.

I think Yzerman tried the STL approach after feeling pressure to compete.

They needed another successful top five pick before filling in around that core.
 
Alienblood said:
I'm.looking at San Jose , Anaheim and Chicago and they aren't going anywhere anytime soon. A wise man showed me it's not always a guarantee.

Sure Crosby , McDavid. MacKinnon etc. is a great start but those teams have none of that.
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Chicago never deserved a pick. Let's start with that. If you think they deserved a top pick after the shit they've pulled and been allowed to get away with there is no chance you will ever agree with an NHL that is actual even.

Now for Crosby and MacKinnon...yes they are generational picks. We were f***ing lucking to have a first round pick when a generational pick was available. But let's not pretend we spent two decades sucking up 1st overalls like Edmonton.

The secret is to have a plan before you suck. This is what Anaheim and Chicago are not doing well with. I 100% reject you assertations that San Jose is not doing well. Mike Grier is doing very good things for that organization.
 
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expatriatedtexan said:
Chicago never deserved a pick. Let's start with that. If you think they deserved a top pick after the shit they've pulled and been allowed to get away with there is no chance you will ever agree with an NHL that is actual even.

Now for Crosby and MacKinnon...yes they are generational picks. We were f***ing lucking to have a first round pick when a generational pick was available. But let's not pretend we spent two decades sucking up 1st overalls like Edmonton.

The secret is to have a plan before you suck. This is what Anaheim and Chicago are not doing well with. I 100% reject you assertations that San Jose is not doing well. Mike Grier is doing very good things for that organization.
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San Jose is the worst team I the league, I don't see it. Celebrini looks like a 2C and I'm not silent on Dickinson or Smith.
 
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dahrougem2 said:
Habs fans gotta be shitting themselves lol
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My dad is a panic show right now lol

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Hutson ties the 45 year old record of 60 assists for a rookie dman
 
RoyIsALegend said:
Jost lmao that’s a penalty you shitter

Oooo lucky, he definitely played it with his hand in the dot. Supposed to be a penalty.
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Do they still call that?

I feel like I've seen this a couple times recently. I'm pretty sure Coyle was one of them. I remember being confused how he got away with it, because it was so obivous. Don't think anyone else touched it first.

Maybe they stopped calling it like they did kicking the second guy out out for a penalty. Which is good because that was a stupid rule.
 
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