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2024 2025 Around the League Part 2

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Balthazar said:
Yes, CBJ and Blues would be good bets in the first round if the odds are decent.

As for Florida, they are not the same team as last year and I don't trust their goalie. Tampa has been arguably the best team in the NHL after the deadline, they look like Tampa from the cup years.
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I'm just not sold on Tampa's roster as a whole. Bjorkstrand is out week-to-week so unlikely he plays in the 1st round barring a miracle recovery.

Top six is great no doubt but now Yanni Gourde is playing above his head top line LW, and the bottom six is:

Geekie - Paul - Concalves
Raddysh - Girgensons - Chaffee

We would be losing our minds here if that was our bottom six. I don't know if the Lightning top six can carry them to a full series victory over a Florida team that is so deep up front.
 
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Balthazar said:
Sometimes top teams stop giving a shit in the last stretch of the season, like the Stars, Avs, Canes...other times you see red flags like the Caps and Panthers. I see a lot of red flags with the Caps, they really acted like the Ovi record was their cup.

They played a back to back against Columbus a couple of days ago...got humiliated 7-0 in game 1, came back full strength in game 2 to avenge that loss and still got dominated. That's a team that punched way above its weight class for the whole season, there's a real chance for an upset there, especially if they face CBJ.

One more thing about Columbus: now they have a goalie (Greaves) capable of making saves, something Elvis havent been able to do in years.
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There is absolutely no chance Dallas stopped giving a shit in the last stretch when they had a very good chance to pass WIN and avoid the Avs in round 1 especially with Heisk maybe out or not even at 100%. Oh they gave a sit....they just weren't good in the stretch.
 
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Just trade him somewhere where he can play first pair on the left side and he'll thrive. He needs quality ice time and a lot of freedom.

He got stuck behind Toews here and then in Buffalo's mess with Power and Dahlin who are also lefties.

If some team can buy low on him they should jump on it, especially now that he proved that he can stay healthy.
 
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JFresh has also demonstrated many times one of the biggest gaps between data and accurate evaluations on players.

Nobody on Buffalo is playing to their potential, and playing defense on a bad team is tough, because you have to clean up for everyone else's mess.

Byram is about to play his first 82 game season and is two points shy of tying Mittelsdadt in points as a defenseman with 40. That's a good step in his NHL development that was stunted with concussions.

Long way to go for Bo in his career. Should have a more accurate evaluation of him when he's not a 23 year old defenseman playing his first full season on a dumpster fire team that seems fragile and broken.
 
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I think it's very hard to evaluate anybody playing on the Sabres right now. The whole team is a disjointed mess of talented players who are cursed with a combination of crap coaching and dismal morale. They're mentally fragile and feel like they have nothing to play for most of the time. Players that escape, like Cozens, always seem to break out in another team's colors.
 
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Alienblood said:
I can see why , look at the Leafs , they have the luxury of having fans regardless though.
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I know... but if you really want to rebuild. You HAVE to SELL everything while it still has value. You need to walk into the rebuild with a bunch of AHLrs on the roster and about a dozen first rounders over the next 4-6 years. And almost as many 2nd rounders.

You must absolutely hit homeruns with every pick <10. Depending upon where you are in the rebuild, you may very well do better trading any pick >10. I mean seriously, we got Jost and Newhook at 10 and 18. Could we have gotten better out of a trade? Things to keep in mind.

But a full rebuild, isn't just tanking...it's selling while you still have wanted pieces. You need to get a jump on the rebuild by injecting a bunch of draft capital before it even begins.
 
expatriatedtexan said:
Full rebuilds are rarely tried.
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Not that rarely. Chicago and San Jose fairly recently started one, for example.
expatriatedtexan said:
I know... but if you really want to rebuild. You HAVE to SELL everything while it still has value.
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In a rebuild the tough calls have to be made EARLY even if it means letting go of franchise players to accelerate the process (Crosby, Pastrnak, etc).

Unfortunately owners tend to block those trades because they don’t want to alienate fans or lose marketability, but holding onto aging stars can really drag things out (hello Pittsburgh). It’s a frustrating cycle when short-term loyalty overrides long-term growth.
 
Rebuilds, like anything else, require a bit of luck to work. The first rebuild the Avs undertook, despite that tremendous 2009 draft haul, failed. The second one that yielded MacKinnon, Makar, and Rantanen (Landeskog was already there of course) was obviously a lot more successful.

Toronto did really well but I'll always wonder if them not getting a legit franchise defenseman and at least stable goaltending will ultimately unravel that whole plan.

The Rangers rebuild failed spectacularly because they whiffed on a three extremely high picks. Can't have that happen, gotta hit on at least one of those. They managed to mask those errors for a few years but it's finally come back to haunt them.

The Wings passing up Quinn Hughes to draft Filip Zadina may ultimately be a fatal mistake. Can't blame Yzerman for that one at least.
 
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Pokecheque said:
Rebuilds, like anything else, require a bit of luck to work. The first rebuild the Avs undertook, despite that tremendous 2009 draft haul, failed. The second one that yielded MacKinnon, Makar, and Rantanen (Landeskog was already there of course) was obviously a lot more successful.

Toronto did really well but I'll always wonder if them not getting a legit franchise defenseman and at least stable goaltending will ultimately unravel that whole plan.

The Rangers rebuild failed spectacularly because they whiffed on a three extremely high picks. Can't have that happen, gotta hit on at least one of those. They managed to mask those errors for a few years but it's finally come back to haunt them.

The Wings passing up Quinn Hughes to draft Filip Zadina may ultimately be a fatal mistake. Can't blame Yzerman for that one at least.
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Rags failed on their picks but they already had Igor and somehow inherited Fox and Panarin. They didn't do their rebuild, they ended up cancelling that plan.

Wings are an example of what not to do. In fear of becoming Buffalo and introduce a loser mentality by tanking for too long, Yzerman signed a bunch of UFA's to keep the team competitive while the kids are growing up. As a result, they didn't stay at the bottom long enough, didn't get all the pieces needed and now it's too late.
 
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In hindsight the Rangers maybe take Seider over Kakko but that may have been very controversial.

The real miss is Lafreniere over Stutzle.

Right now they would have Timmayyyy centering Panarin instead of a clearly regressing Zibanejad.
 
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dahrougem2 said:
In hindsight the Rangers maybe take Seider over Kakko but that may have been very controversial.

The real miss is Lafreniere over Stutzle
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That'd have been very controversial as well. Laf was seen as a can't miss #1 pick, he won the CHL player of the year award twice in a row and became only the second player in CHL history to do it (other one was Crosby). He also kicked ass in international tournaments.

Can't blame the Rags for taking the concensus Laf/Kakko picks. Now Lias Anderson and Kravtsov, on the other hand...
 
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Balthazar said:
That'd have been very controversial as well. Laf was seen as a can't miss #1 pick, he won the CHL player of the year award twice in a row and became only the second player in CHL history to do it (other one was Crosby). He also kicked ass in international tournaments.

Can't blame the Rags for taking the concensus Laf/Kakko picks. Now Lias Anderson and Kravtsov, on the other hand...
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IIRC Stutzle made headway leading up to the draft and closed the gap significantly. I recall being surprised LA took Byfield over him.
 
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IIRC Stutzle made headway leading up to the draft and closed the gap significantly. I recall being surprised LA took Byfield over him.
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Only Yzerman had Stutzle first (and that was controversial)...we learned that from Henchy.
 
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I haven’t been able to watch much hockey this year outside of a few Avs games here and there….

Can anyone explain to me why the Jets have terrible odds for winning the Cup? They lead the conference but everyone else is getting Vegas respect except them - what gives?
 
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I haven’t been able to watch much hockey this year outside of a few Avs games here and there….

Can anyone explain to me why the Jets have terrible odds for winning the Cup? They lead the conference but everyone else is getting Vegas respect except them - what gives?
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Death, taxes, and the Hurricanes having amazing odds despite hardly being a threat to win.

To answer your question:

1) Playoff history
2) Numbers do not back up their record
3) It's Winnipeg
4) No real superstars
 
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Jost lmao that’s a penalty you shitter

Oooo lucky, he definitely played it with his hand in the dot. Supposed to be a penalty.
 
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