WJC: 2023

[Fantomas]

Canada is relied on to host the tournament far too often. Unfortunately the original host country invaded a neighbouring democracy, made up insane reasons, threatened using nuclear weapons, and has resorted to essentially a terror campaign after its early efforts failed spectacularly. All the while expecting to be greeted as liberators. Almost as narcissistic as Canada hosting the WJC often.

I forgot to mention the insecurity.

 

[JackSlater]

I forgot to mention the insecurity.

The act is beyond tedious. It might be comfortable to pretend that Canada is hockey's "villain" when Russia is actively claiming the role on a global scale, and I can understand the frustration at Russia's current status as international pariah, but this bait was just lazy. Russia lost the tournament for invading Ukraine. Canada received the tournament because Canadians buy tickets for the tournament. We all know what country caused the situation.

 

[Fantomas]

The act is beyond tedious. It might be comfortable to pretend that Canada is hockey's "villain" when Russia is actively claiming the role on a global scale, and I can understand the frustration at Russia's current status as international pariah, but this bait was just lazy. Russia lost the tournament for invading Ukraine. Canada received the tournament because Canadians buy tickets for the tournament. We all know what country caused the situation.

Canada can host every single tournament until the end of time. It's bad for hockey and worst of all boring.

Also no one brought up the war but you.

 

[JackSlater]

Canada can host every single tournament until the end of time. It's bad for hockey and worst of all boring.

Also no one brought up the war but you.

I certainly agree that other countries should host this tournament, and others, more often. If other countries can purchase more tickets and stop invading other countries while threatening to use nuclear weapons then it will likely happen. It would be good for hockey.

 

[David Suzuki]

invaded a neighbouring democracy

No politics

Anyway, I hope other countries get to host the tournament more often. Sadly, I assume it's being treated like a profitable business and not an international tournament so I imagine it will be in Canada way more often than not.

 

[JackSlater]

No politics

Feel free to delete my post since you're clearly a moderator, but let's not pretend that we do not know why the 2023 tournament is in Canada suddenly.

 

[David Suzuki]

Feel free to delete my post since you're clearly a moderator, but let's not pretend that we do not know why the 2023 tournament is in Canada suddenly.

I'm not a mod just warning you so you don't get a warning or something is all.

We know why it was moved the IIHF bends to the whims of international money which is clearly against Russia right now. In two years when everyone forgets about this it will be in Russia again, the IIHF didn't just grow a morale compass.

 

[JackSlater]

I'm not a mod just warning you so you don't get a warning or something is all.

We know why it was moved the IIHF bends to the whims of international money which is clearly against Russia right now. In two years when everyone forgets about this it will be in Russia again, the IIHF didn't just grow a morale compass.

I trust that the moderators can do their jobs. And yes obviously the IIHF is made up of member countries, most of which are against Russia for invading a neighbouring democracy, threatening to use nuclear weapons, and more recently resorting to terror tactics. I personally would rather not go through the performance of cutting Russia out of international hockey when countries are not willing to make the significant, necessary actions. But regardless, we all know why Russia is not hosting and Canada is in 2023. It isn't some underhanded action that Canada performed or a case of the poor Russians being treated unfairly.

 

[Albatros]

We know why it was moved the IIHF bends to the whims of international money which is clearly against Russia right now. In two years when everyone forgets about this it will be in Russia again, the IIHF didn't just grow a morale compass.

You would say that getting rid of Fasel did nothing to change the IIHF? The current leadership owes very little to Russia.

 

[David Suzuki]

You would say that getting rid of Fasel did nothing to change the IIHF? The current leadership owes very little to Russia.

No one at the top of a major organization cares or can be bothered to care about morality or human rights. If they cared about those things there would be very few countries playing in these tournaments lol.

 

[David Suzuki]

delete just isnt worth it lol

 

[Albatros]

No one at the top of a major organization cares or can be bothered to care about morality or human rights. If they cared about those things there would be very few countries playing in these tournaments lol.

Human rights are a part of the IIHF Environment and Social Responsibility Guidelines which stipulate that the IIHF shall have an active role in guarding such rights. The cynical may by default be tempted to view such statements as meaningless corporate propaganda, but I don't think an objective observer can deny that the IIHF has largely acted in accordance with these stated values thus far.

 

[Harbessix]

Anyone know when the host city will be announced? Thought I read somewhere it was today

 

[Gold Standard]

Canada is relied on to host the tournament far too often. Unfortunately the original host country invaded a neighbouring democracy, made up insane reasons, threatened using nuclear weapons, and has resorted to essentially a terror campaign after its early efforts failed spectacularly. All the while expecting to be greeted as liberators. Almost as narcissistic as Canada hosting the WJC often.

Probably a 1000x more narcissistic than Canada deserving hosts of every hockey tournament from novice to senior men's from now until the end of time....but that's just me. But you hit all the main points. I concur.

 

[canuck2010]

Everyone including the IIHF makes a ton of cash when any of these events are held in Canada. Wonder what happens to it all.

 

[therealdeal]

Boys don’t let the political noise bleed into this. We’re all here to enjoy the hockey and fun roster talk.

If we were in person we’d all have chug a beer and agree to disagree. Let’s act like we would in real life.

 

[Albatros]

Everyone including the IIHF makes a ton of cash when any of these events are held in Canada. Wonder what happens to it all.

The Czechs paid the IIHF 900,000 CHF for the 2020 tournament, the Canadians 1,784,607 CHF for the year before. Those are essentially the two extremes.

 

[canuck2010]

The Czechs paid the IIHF 900,000 CHF for the 2020 tournament, the Canadians 1,784,607 CHF for the year before. Those are essentially the two extremes.

I'm always hopeful that some of that money made in Canada goes to minor hockey programs in other countries especially those with developing programs and not just cigars.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I think we all know why Canada hosts so many tournaments. It’s for financial reasons.

However, my problem is that IIHF is being hypothetical. The new IIHF president has very friendly ties with Canada. Many often made fun of the past IIHF President having friendly ties with Russia. What about now? Is it still a bad thing for a president to be very friendly with one of the federations?

Canada could easily be banned for how poorly they hosted the past WJC. They could even be banned for invading Iraq and Afghanistan. USA obviously could be banned for the same reason. Why is it that Russia is banned now for military conflict but these other countries weren’t?

 

[Mathieukferland]

I think we all know why Canada hosts so many tournaments. It’s for financial reasons.

However, my problem is that IIHF is being hypothetical. The new IIHF president has very friendly ties with Canada. Many often made fun of the past IIHF President having friendly ties with Russia. What about now? Is it still a bad thing for a president to be very friendly with one of the federations?

Canada could easily be banned for how poorly they hosted the past WJC. They could even be banned for invading Iraq and Afghanistan. USA obviously could be banned for the same reason. Why is it that Russia is banned now for military conflict but these other countries weren’t?

Canada was not implicated in the war in Iraq; and by your logic every IIHF member that is also a part of NATO needs to be banned from hosting or participating in tournaments due to the intervention in Afghanistan. And I think it doesn’t need explaining as to why (however wrong it may be) a IIHF president being close to a banal, democratically-elected Canadian government rather than an authoritarian one in Moscow is a bad thing

 

[kyle44]

I think we all know why Canada hosts so many tournaments. It’s for financial reasons.

However, my problem is that IIHF is being hypothetical. The new IIHF president has very friendly ties with Canada. Many often made fun of the past IIHF President having friendly ties with Russia. What about now? Is it still a bad thing for a president to be very friendly with one of the federations?

Canada could easily be banned for how poorly they hosted the past WJC. They could even be banned for invading Iraq and Afghanistan. USA obviously could be banned for the same reason. Why is it that Russia is banned now for military conflict but these other countries weren’t?

Dude, they really need to start reserving some space for you in the freezing cold takes hall of fame.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Canada was not implicated in the war in Iraq; and by your logic every IIHF member that is also a part of NATO needs to be banned from hosting or participating in tournaments due to the intervention in Afghanistan. And I think it doesn’t need explaining as to why (however wrong it may be) a IIHF president being close to a banal, democratically-elected Canadian government rather than an authoritarian one in Moscow is a bad thing

Implicated, I see you chose your words carefully.

I’m not in favor of banning any country. I think these conflicts are complicated and the hockey governing body should not be taking sides. That Russia gets banned because they are on a side of a military conflict that most of the world views as unfashionable and Canada can just ruin the 2022 tournament due also to politics and then be rewarded instead of punished says it all. It’s all politics by the IIHF unfortunately.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Dude, they really need to start reserving some space for you in the freezing cold takes hall of fame.

Everything I said is true, so I guess the truth hurts.

 

[canuck2010]

Everything I said is true, so I guess the truth hurts.

Not sure why Canada would be banned for a failed tournament during a pandemic. Also not sure what politics you are talking about concerning the 2022 WJC. I see that you are also choosing your words carefully "a military conflict that most of the world views as unfashionable". I'm not sure that "unfashionable" is terribly accurate.


Come on Pavel let's get back to hockey. You always have some good takes on players and games.

 

[kyle44]

Implicated, I see you chose your words carefully.

I’m not in favor of banning any country. I think these conflicts are complicated and the hockey governing body should not be taking sides. That Russia gets banned because they are on a side of a military conflict that most of the world views as unfashionable and Canada can just ruin the 2022 tournament due also to politics and then be rewarded instead of punished says it all. It’s all politics by the IIHF unfortunately.

Not sure why Canada would be banned for a failed tournament during a pandemic. Also not sure what politics you are talking about concerning the 2022 WJC. I see that you are also choosing your words carefully "a military conflict that most of the world views as unfashionable". I'm not sure that "unfashionable" is terribly accurate.


Come on Pavel let's get back to hockey. You always have some good takes on players and games.

I suppose we should also move the Spengler this year to Luxembourg and ban Swiss teams because of Switzerland's politics and failure to host that tournament as well? While we're at it, why don't we force every NHL, NBA and NFL team that had to cancel games at the time because of Omicron to fold? Maybe we should disband the IIHF entirely for cancelling the U-18 women's tournament then too. Christ almighty.