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From what I read in the press release it will give more opportunities to players going to NCAA or CIS. A lot of CIS players come from the CHL or other Junion A leagues. I don't recall many from BCHL.Does anyone know if the bchl leaving HC will affect usports recruiting cause I know they're not allowed affiliates and idk about trades with cjhl teams
UBC and Holy Trinity have lots!From what I read in the press release it will give more opportunities to players going to NCAA or CIS. A lot of CIS players come from the CHL or other Junion A leagues. I don't recall many from BCHL.
I think it's a good move based on what I've read.
Read this: https://thehockeynews.com/news/why-did-the-bchl-leave-hockey-canada
4 on UBC and 2 on TW. Still more than you'd see in the AUS or OUA.UBC and Holy Trinity have lots!
It's a cash grab. Whether it's a good move depends on your perspective.From what I read in the press release it will give more opportunities to players going to NCAA or CIS. A lot of CIS players come from the CHL or other Junion A leagues. I don't recall many from BCHL.
I think it's a good move based on what I've read.
Read this: https://thehockeynews.com/news/why-did-the-bchl-leave-hockey-canada
Lakehead has 3 Gerrie ho and van unen4 on UBC and 2 on TW. Still more than you'd see in the AUS or OUA.
I agree with this.It's a cash grab. Whether it's a good move depends on your perspective.
The BCHL has long been the best Tier II league in Canada, and produces the most NCAA players. That is without question. It is also the wealthiest, drawing good crowds in most markets.
It has not been a big producer for CIS, mainly because players go to the BCHL with their eyes on the NCAA. As you note, even the two CIS programs in BC get their Jr A players from elsewhere.
Its Hockey Canada affiliation has limited it to BC residents up the age of 18. By leaving Hockey Canada, it can now accept players from anywhere in Canada at any age.
So what, you say?
Imagine that you are a wealthy parent hoping to get your child an NCAA scholarship, and your child has been drafted into your local Jr A league (CCHL, for argument's sake). Right now your only option is to play for that team OR send them to a private hockey academy due to Hockey Canada restrictions. That's not a great choice for many parents, who may not like or trust the coaches of their Jr A team, and for whom private hockey academies are a poor substitute for Jr A.
Starting in September, a BCHL team could take your child at any age.
Do the math ... they will find top players, and fund those players with depth players from parents willing to pay for their child to play in the BCHL.
This is already the Cranbrook Bucks' business model ... it's pay-to-play.
I'm not here to judge whether this is good or bad. It just is.
But it essentially ends the BCHL as a source of CIS players.
The BCHL is kind of in competition with the US leagues. Those leagues have been an option for those unhappy with Junior A. Thunder Bay was once in the USHL.I agree with this.
That was kinda my 1st thought when I read it. Hockey is a business and if they think they can monetize this then they will. You mention rich parents and I agree again with you.
But, what about the poor parents who have a "gifted" son who is forced to play in a lesser league. Now he can play in the BCHL, go on to NCAA and be the next Power, Makar, Fantilli,
Like all fanbases, BCHL fans want to see the best product. They don't care that someone will not go to York. Most AUS teams are stocked with CHL players so their fanbase doesn't care.
While not a fan of the "pay-to-play" model, I think it's common at almost every level of minor hockey. As long as there are parents who think their kid is the next one there will be programs willing to take their money.
I like the BCHL decision because it's a little poke in the eye of HC. I'll withhold judgement for a year or so until I see the fallout from this.
As always, you bring a good argument to the table.
The USHL is the top Junior league in terms of NHL players who have gone thru the system. BCHL wants to be seen in the same light.The BCHL is kind of in competition with the US leagues. Those leagues have been an option for those unhappy with Junior A. Thunder Bay was once in the USHL.
Queen's has a bunch. Kolton Cousins, Holden Katzalay, Trevor Longo and Nolan Hutcheson all played in the BCHL at one point late in their junior careers. Katzalay won OUA East Rookie of the Year in the 2021-22 season4 on UBC and 2 on TW. Still more than you'd see in the AUS or OUA.
you mean junior a right.The USHL is the top Junior league in terms of NHL players who have gone thru the system. BCHL wants to be seen in the same light.
Yes, I mean Junior A, but give this a read: Rating The Junior Hockey Leagues – 2022 Edition – Top Twenty Leagues At All Levelsyou mean junior a right.
The USHL is not the development league it claims to be. Yes they have the MOST NCAA Commitments, but that's an illusion they foster by bringing those players to the USHL after they have already committed.Yes, I mean Junior A, but give this a read: Rating The Junior Hockey Leagues – 2022 Edition – Top Twenty Leagues At All Levels
Like most Jr A leagues in Canada, BCHL teams have a long history of bringing in Major Junior veterans to help them win. Katzalay, Longo, and Hutcheson all fit that bill. I am curious whether the BCHL will stop that practice, given that they are clearly focused on the NCAA and teams are no longer trying to win the Centennial Cup. It would not surprise me if they put in a rule banning ex-Major Junior players (i.e. those with no NCAA eligibility) given this quote from the BCHL CEO:Queen's has a bunch. Kolton Cousins, Holden Katzalay, Trevor Longo and Nolan Hutcheson all played in the BCHL at one point late in their junior careers. Katzalay won OUA East Rookie of the Year in the 2021-22 season
I don't "follow" the USHL but I've seen what you're talking about regarding players who have already committed from prep school, etc. The USNDTP is a prime example.The USHL is not the development league it claims to be. Yes they have the MOST NCAA Commitments, but that's an illusion they foster by bringing those players to the USHL after they have already committed.
Exhibit A: Bodie Nobes (son of Kelly Nobes) earned a scholarship at Maine after playing for Stanstead College and the Ottawa Jr Senators. He committed to Maine while with Ottawa. A USHL team (Green Bay) then brought Nobes in for one season, and added him to their list of NCAA Commitments ... but they were not the team or league where he earned that commitment.
If you look at their American and Canadian players, you'll find a long list of NCAA Commitments who earned those elsewhere - especially from their HS or Prep Teams in the US - and were then brought in to a USHL team for a year of development. They are also buoyed by the US National Development Program, which is an All-Star Team of Draft-Eligible players that HAPPENS to play in the USHL.
The USHL is currently the fourth best Junior league in North America.
I believe the BCHL is trying to bring in top Canadian players at a younger age (16/17) and develop them for more years than the USHL currently does. Whether they succeed will be interesting to see. They could surpass the USHL in a few years if the top Canadian 16/17 year olds flock to BC.
Essentially many NCAA teams recruit drafted and undrafted players and then 'park' them with USHL teams. Rarely now do recruits directly advance from high school / prep school to the university teams unless they are really talented.The USHL is not the development league it claims to be. Yes they have the MOST NCAA Commitments, but that's an illusion they foster by bringing those players to the USHL after they have already committed.
Exhibit A: Bodie Nobes (son of Kelly Nobes) earned a scholarship at Maine after playing for Stanstead College and the Ottawa Jr Senators. He committed to Maine while with Ottawa. A USHL team (Green Bay) then brought Nobes in for one season, and added him to their list of NCAA Commitments ... but they were not the team or league where he earned that commitment.
If you look at their American and Canadian players, you'll find a long list of NCAA Commitments who earned those elsewhere - especially from their HS or Prep Teams in the US - and were then brought in to a USHL team for a year of development. They are also buoyed by the US National Development Program, which is an All-Star Team of Draft-Eligible players that HAPPENS to play in the USHL.
The USHL is currently the fourth best Junior league in North America.
I believe the BCHL is trying to bring in top Canadian players at a younger age (16/17) and develop them for more years than the USHL currently does. Whether they succeed will be interesting to see. They could surpass the USHL in a few years if the top Canadian 16/17 year olds flock to BC.
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