2023 NHL Entry Draft

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I'm not comparing them directly.. I'm talking about a similar narrative about how they approach the game offensively and how it 'won't work as he goes up levels', but these guys are being expressive and testing their skills out in an environment where it is all about development.

I'm drafting Smith for his immense offensive upside, not to be a 200 foot player. We'll be fine defensively, we need someone who is a threat to break a game open every shift and Smith is the best option for that after #4 and it's not particularly close.

Yeah, that "it won't work in NHL" talk is usually untrue. It's only a problem if they never move away from moves that actually don't work at higher levels, and therefore end up with poor puck management skills because they're forcing plays.

There are adjustments that have to be made at each level.

I think Smith makes enough NHL level type plays that he should be able to adjust at higher levels just fine. My main concern is that he seems like a Zegras type. I'm not a huge fan of Zegras. Lol
 
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Yeah, that "it won't work in NHL" talk is usually untrue. It's only a problem if they never move away from moves that actually don't work at higher levels, and therefore end up with poor puck management skills because they're forcing plays.

There are adjustments that have to be made at each level.

I think Smith makes enough NHL level type plays that he should be able to adjust at higher levels just fine. My main concern is that he seems like a Zegras type. I'm not a huge fan of Zegras. Lol

I don't think he's Zegras in the sense of being flashy just for the sake of being flashy.. Either way, if we had 1 Zegras, I would not mind it at all.. We definitely need somebody who has that flair and ability to make something out of nothing.

If we manage to get PLD.. Smith would be so well insulated in the top 6 that I don't think we'd need to worry about a huge compromise defensively.

It's just clear to me that Smith and Benson are a notch ahead of the rest, after the top 4, for creating offense and are our best bet at selecting someone capable of PPG at the NHL level.
 
Doubtful, europeans usually teach their kids to play the right way. I dont see cheating in the SHL, Liiga ect.

Liiga is generally pretty conservative, but you see it in Sweden all the time. Modo as a concrete example does it almost as a rule. And it makes sense if you think about it. For example, why shouldn't the weak side winger fly the zone if his team is probably going to get the puck?
 
Liiga is generally pretty conservative, but you see it in Sweden all the time. Modo as a concrete example does it almost as a rule. And it makes sense if you think about it. For example, why shouldn't the weak side winger fly the zone if his team is probably going to get the puck?
Only difference, Smith is a center who relies on his teammates to cover his ass, wont work at higher levels, this is not the same situation as Cooley last year who was trying stuff to improve his game, thats a case of a kid cheating on the fundamentals and why some scouts are rumored to be down on him. Not saying its impossible he rounds up his game down the road, but there are valid reasons why some kids drop on draft day, you cant only rely on stats or individual offensive skills.

@WeThreeKings If you are putting Smith's weaknessess aside, gambling entirely on his offensive potential, why did you drop Cristall on your ranking then? Double standart, no?
 
I'm not comparing them directly.. I'm talking about a similar narrative about how they approach the game offensively and how it 'won't work as he goes up levels', but these guys are being expressive and testing their skills out in an environment where it is all about development.

I'm drafting Smith for his immense offensive upside, not to be a 200 foot player. We'll be fine defensively, we need someone who is a threat to break a game open every shift and Smith is the best option for that after #4 and it's not particularly close.



Well then you shouldn't want Dvorsky, 'cause if we are talking about not being able to separate from his man.. Dvorsky's feet, lack of imagination, mediocre hands and lacklustre carrying ability won't allow him to get away from his man at the NHL level either. Sure he might be a great PP trigger guy, but that isn't what I want at 5th overall.
Lol come on dude, don’t do that thing where you trash a player because others like them more than the guy you like

Dvorsky looks like he’ll be a 200lbs plus type plus he’s a better skater. Silly statement all around.

But that's not his game.

His points are not coming from exploiting junior players off the rush, so why would the fact that he can't do that against NHL competition change anything?

How do you think RHP and Gallagher score all these goals despite being undersized and average speed?
Both those guys are dogs on bones. Benson competes but not like that.
 
Only difference, Smith is a center who relies on his teammates to cover his ass, wont work at higher levels, this is not the same situation as Cooley last year who was trying stuff to improve his game, thats a case of a kid cheating on the fundamentals and why some scouts are rumored to be down on him. Not saying its impossible he rounds up his game down the road, but there are valid reasons why some kids drop on draft day, you cant only rely on stats or individual offensive skills.

@WeThreeKings If you are putting Smith's weaknessess aside, gambling entirely on his offensive potential, why did you drop Cristall on your ranking then? Double standart, no?

Smith has size on Cristall and he has skating on Cristall, as well. But the big reason I dropped Cristall down, because I have always liked his tools, was just the fact that he repeats the same patterns a lot of the time offensively. Smith doesn't do that, he remains unpredictable. If NHL defenses know Cristall's delay patterns, he's not going to be able to make many plays due to his other down-sides.

There's also the fact that Smith looks good every time you watch him, there's some viewings of Cristall that are just plain ugly.
 
Only difference, Smith is a center who relies on his teammates to cover his ass, wont work at higher levels, this is not the same situation as Cooley last year who was trying stuff to improve his game, thats a case of a kid cheating on the fundamentals and why some scouts are rumored to be down on him. Not saying its impossible he rounds up his game down the road, but there are valid reasons why some kids drop on draft day, you cant only rely on stats or individual offensive skills.

@WeThreeKings If you are putting Smith's weaknessess aside, gambling entirely on his offensive potential, why did you drop Cristall on your ranking then? Double standart, no?

Cristall can't skate. And, yeah, he's got great edges, but he's got zero power to his skating. His startups are trash too.

If you want to draft a poor skater with great hands then draft Matthew Wood. He doesn't have a lot of power either, but he can gain speed through the use of crossovers. Cristall is no longer on my draft list at either ours or Florida's spot.

I find it really hard to believe that teams will draft him top 20 with his size & skating deficiencies. LBB was predicted at #20 in 2022 he went #44. Dumais was ranked at around #50, he went #96. I expect a similar drop for Cristall. Think he goes 20+.
 
Lol come on dude, don’t do that thing where you trash a player because others like them more than the guy you like

Dvorsky looks like he’ll be a 200lbs plus type plus he’s a better skater. Silly statement all around.


Both those guys are dogs on bones. Benson competes but not like that.

Dvorsky is not a better skater.. that's what I am saying.

Dvorsky is a fine prospect but he's not a top 5 guy..
 
If he’s around with our Florida pick, fine but I’d lose my shit taking him with our 5-7 pick.

If Benson or Smith are off the table by our pick (I’m think worse case if we fall), I hope we take Reinbacher.

I don't really know anything but there's a lot of reason to believe the options for Habs are Reinbacher or Smith. Dvorsky does seem like the tertiary option there just cause Bobrov's track record suggests he'd like him.
 
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Crosbys a good comparison, but in practice it doesn't work. Crosby works because he has hands turned up to 99, all shots turned up to 99, skating turned up tk 99 and IQ, of course, turned up to 100.

Benson has none of these, even if hes close in the rest.
That's why I compared his style, not his impact or talent level. The way he skates and handles the puck is similar to Crosby in style. Also, the combination of talent, iq and intensity is pretty rare, even if it's not on Crosby's level.
 
Cristall can't skate. And, yeah, he's got great edges, but he's got zero power to his skating. His startups are trash too.

If you want to draft a poor skater with great hands then draft Matthew Wood. He doesn't have a lot of power either, but he can gain speed through the use of crossovers. Cristall is no longer on my draft list at either ours or Florida's spot.

I find it really hard to believe that teams will draft him top 20 with his size & skating deficiencies. LBB was predicted at #20 in 2022 he went #44. Dumais was ranked at around #50, he went #96. I expect a similar drop for Cristall. Think he goes 20+.
Im totally aware of Cristall's flaws, the reason why I dropped him late 1st, early 2nd. The point was that Cristall remains a solid offensive talent who produces alot in junior and still is ranked pretty high on alot of lists. so why his weaknesses warrant a signifiant drop while Smith's flaws should get overlooked? Thats where WTK loses me. Smith is barely 6 ft. tall, he is physically pretty weak, his skating needs alot work, especially his startups, explosiveness, the motor is very low and his 200 ft. game very flawed. So why should his flaws get overlooked vs other kids? Not saying he deserves to be dropped late first, but saying he is the clear cut #5 or #6 in the draft sounds irrational bias to me.

Smith has been WTK's guy for a while and he is overlooking the bads on the premise of his offensive upside. What about Perreault who outscored him? Mid 2nd round...
 
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Cristall can't skate. And, yeah, he's got great edges, but he's got zero power to his skating. His startups are trash too.

If you want to draft a poor skater with great hands then draft Matthew Wood. He doesn't have a lot of power either, but he can gain speed through the use of crossovers. Cristall is no longer on my draft list at either ours or Florida's spot.

I find it really hard to believe that teams will draft him top 20 with his size & skating deficiencies. LBB was predicted at #20 in 2022 he went #44. Dumais was ranked at around #50, he went #96. I expect a similar drop for Cristall. Think he goes 20+.
I won't lie and say he is a total burner and all, but everyone agrees his edges are good and he does have speed. To say he can't skate and comparing him to Wood is quite the statement there, and I love Wood. He doesn't generate much push on his stride, but what he does is have a great stride, good overall technique and very, very quick feet. When he adds in power to his legs, the stride is going to become more efficient.
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His processing speed is also going to make his skating a non-issue, he is quicker off the blocks than most, because he just sees the ice better and starts up earlier, just like in the clip above, he takes two strides before anyone even takes their first. (Also because he has quick strides, and small legs, lol.)

There's two areas that keeps Cristall from being a slam dunk and its the combination of size, separation quickness and lower body strength, but that is true of a lot of players this year, Benson, Michkov also have that concern. It's something you just have to live with when you draft smaller. Caufield is doing more than fine with similar skating to Cristall, Cole Perfetti was looking to be good too even with worse skating. The other one is just that sometimes he seems like he just doesn't want to play defense ?

I see some plays and I go like bruh wut ? Just lets players go on breakaways without even trying lmao. Im sure this will sort itself out in the bigs though, and even if it doesn't, Kane's made a career out of it, not too concerned. He also showed at times that he can make good defensive plays and that he can be solid, remember when he cucked Bedard in october ? That was pretty cool.



Also look at that absolute mad man move to open up space for a pass to the opposite blue line (12:01.) Just a beauty of a guy.






don't know if this was posted in this thread, reminds me of the draft dynasty channel before he got hired by the Habs

I wonder how the copyright and ownership works for youtube vids of feeds like you do ? Ever had anything deleted ?
That's why I compared his style, not his impact or talent level. The way he skates and handles the puck is similar to Crosby in style. Also, the combination of talent, iq and intensity is pretty rare, even if it's not on Crosby's level.

Doesn't have Crosby's lower-body either but his edges do remind you of Sid sometimes. The way he just makes a small adjusment in his blade angle to make a play, is pretty special stuff. Same with Cristall. Not sure labeling those guys poor skaters makes sense.
 
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With about 1 month before the NHL Lottery Draft, if the Montreal Canadiens are picking 5th overall, my top choice will be Zach Benson.

I think this kid is a player who don't have. A player that is smart, dynamic, that likes to attack the defenders and the net, that competes on every shift, wins puck battles, can snipe, can pass, can dangle, that has a sick mullet, and that is a leader and seems to have the attributes to become a leader at the next level. I think he has the floor of a better version of Gallagher and the ceiling of Brayden Point/Brad Marchand. I would take that on my team anytime. What do you guys think? Zach Benson's bandwagon?

I know a lot of people like Will Smith, but I just don't see a dynamic player, a player able to separate himself from the defenders, and especially feels like he lacks the compete level that Benson has over the whole 200ft ice. Benson competes much harder anywhere on the ice versus Smith who is almost afraid to back check. And, I don't want to draft a player that I will always have to add "hockey" after his name when googling him..
 
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With about 1 month before the NHL Lottery Draft, if the Montreal Canadiens are picking 5th overall, my top choice will be Zach Benson.

I think this kid is a player who don't have. A player that is smart, dynamic, that likes to attack the defenders and the net, that competes on every shift, wins puck battles, can snipe, can pass, can dangle, that has a sick mullet, and that is a leader and seems to have the attributes to become a leader at the next level. I think he has the floor of a better version of Gallagher and the ceiling of Brayden Point/Brad Marchand. I would take that on my team anytime. What do you guys think? Zach Benson's bandwagon?
Benson is awesome.
I just wish that we weren't stocked with so many smol guys already - Gally, Farrell, Cole, RHP etc...
But ya I'd probably still take him - he's plays like beast with the brains of Suzuki.
 
Benson is awesome.
I just wish that we weren't stocked with so many smol guys already - Gally, Farrell, Cole, RHP etc...
But ya I'd probably still take him - he's plays like beast with the brains of Suzuki.

I'm not worried about that because we have Dach and Slafkovsky up front too. And if we land PLD, then it's another big body. Or if we trade for Lafreniere for example. I think Benson's overall toolset and compete level is too much to pass up. And, if we adopt this mentality, then we would be making the same mistakes the teams who passed up on Cole Caufield made in 2019.

And, Bedard and Michkov are 5ft9-5ft10 juste like Benson.
 
Lol come on dude, don’t do that thing where you trash a player because others like them more than the guy you like

Dvorsky looks like he’ll be a 200lbs plus type plus he’s a better skater. Silly statement all around.


Both those guys are dogs on bones. Benson competes but not like that.

That's exactly what Benson is. His most defining characteristic. What?
 
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