HF Habs: 2023 NHL Draft part 2

[Goldenhands]

And just one more series of question for now, after watching reinbacher, where would you have ranked him if he went in the 2022 draft? Do you think he'll be more effective as an NHL defenseman than Jiricek? What do you think is his offensive ceiling?

Last year my top 5 was 1-Jiricek 2-Slafkovsky 3-Kemell 4-Yurov 5-Mintyukov. I had Slaf and Jiricek even on my list, but since I had to rank one over the other, I ended up ranking Jiricek 1st. I commited for Slaf on lottery day when we knew that our pick would be 1st OV since Jiricek's knee injury worried me a bit while Slaf still was an amazing prospect with special physical tools. Kemell ended his D+1 well in the AHL where he produced at a PPG pace, Yurov seems to struggle in the KHL, hopefully Minnesota can sign him and bring him over and Mintyukov has been doing really well too. So to answer your 1st question, I would rank Reinbacher 3rd after Slaf and Jiricek, but I think its pretty close between them, both have the potential to be a force on the backend IMO. I think the comparable for Reinbacher would be more Seider than Jiricek though. In Reinbacher you likely get a defenseman who excels in all aspects of the game, the only question mark would be weither he can quarterback your top PP unit or not, but it wouldnt be much of an issue for us since we have kids like Hutson, Engstrom, Mailloux for that role if needed. He certainly can quarterback a 2nd PP unit. Big minutes eater, physical, solid defensively, very good skater, solid in transition, sharp passing, can jump in the play smartly to support the attack, shooting looks very good, not Jiricek good, but still way above average.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

You rarely get your guys late first. Last year my late first guys were Kulich and Hutson (humble brag) and we passed on Kulich and then somehow got Hutson a round later lol

Yeah I wanted Hutson and Firkus (had Hutson at 10, Slaf at 7), glad we at least got Lane.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Rank​	Player​	Position​	Projection​	Bust factor​
1​	Connor Bedard​	Center​	Franchise/Generational	Low​
2​	Leo Carlsson​	Center/LW​	Sundin/Barkov level	Low​
3​	Matvei Michkov​	RW​	Elite level player​	High (external)​
4​	Adam Fantilli​	Center​	Top line center upside	Low​
5​	David Reinbacher​	RD​	All around no.1 defenseman potential	Low​
6​	Dalibor Dvorsky​	Center​	200ft. top 6 scoring center	Low​
7​	Ryan Leonard​	RW​	Top 6 scoring power foward	Low​
8​	Otto Stenberg​	LW​	Versatile top 6 foward potential	Medium/Low​
9​	Will Smith​	Center​	Creative, offensively minded top6 potential	Medium/High​
10​	Nate Danielson​	Center​	2-way 2nd line center upside	Medium/Low​
11​	Oliver Moore​	C/W​	Dynamic all around 2nd liner	Low​
12​	Zach Benson​	LW​	Dynamic top6 pts producer upside	Medium​
13​	Gavin Brindley​	RW​	Versatile, heart and soul middle 6	Medium/Low​
14​	Axel Sandin-Pellikka​	RD​	Top 4 puckmoving PP QB upside	Medium-High​
15​	Gabe Perreault​	RW​	High skills top 6 potential	Medium/High​
16​	Anton Wahlberg​	LW​	Middle 6 power winger	Medium/Low​
17​	David Edstrom​	Center​	Middle 6 power center	Medium/Low​
18​	Colby Barlow​	LW​	Middle 6 scoring winger	Low​
19​	Maxim Strbak​	RD​	Top 4 All-around physical D	Low​
20​	Tom Willander​	RD​	Top 4 All around puckmoving D	Medium/Low
21​	Samuel Honzek​	LW​	Top 6 potential​	Medium/High​
22​	Carson Bjarnason​	G​	Starter upside​	Medium​
23​	Brayden Yager​	C/W​	Middle of the line-up	Medium/High​
24​	Eduard Salé​	RW​	Top 6 upside	High​
25​	Matthew Wood​	LW​	Top 6 upside	High​
26​	Jayden Perron​	RW​	Middle of the line-up	Medium​
27​	Riley Heidt​	LW​	Middle of the line-up	Medium​
28​	Gracyn Sawchyn​	C​	Dynamic middle 6 foward	Medium/High​
29​	Callum Ritchie​	C​	2-Way middle 6 center	Medium​

30​	Ethan Gauthier​	C​	Middle of the line-up	Medium​
31​	Tanner Molendyk​	D​	Top 4 puckmoving D upside	Medium​
32​	Quentin Musty​	LW​	Top 6 upside	Very High​

I like the Danielson ranking. Us Danielson stans have to stick together.

 

[26Mats]

We have to wait until June 28th for the draft - but only until June 4th for the combine.

Will be interesting to see if Michkov is there.

 

[26Mats]

Foshizzle.

Leonard is gonna be very, very good and I absolutely love him but Benson is just different.

Will be interesting to see if Benson and the Winnipeg ice get to the Memorial cup and he shines there.
Will Smith moved ahead of him by shining at the U18s. Now it's Benson's stage. (Not that these small sample sizes are that imporant). He's just fallen out of the general conversation of late.

 

[Coffee]

Outsider coming in peace


How long until Montreal is fixed again?

Hard to gauge the rebuild timeline for me

 

[NotProkofievian]

Outsider coming in peace


How long until Montreal is fixed again?

Hard to gauge the rebuild timeline for me

It will be several years until Montreal is ready to compete again. That's tough for people to hear, but it's probably the truth. Even with a good lineup, it takes some time for things to come together. E.G. Florida. We suck until proven otherwise.

 

[SnapVirus]

Two more top10 draft picks ideally.
So three more seasons i believe.

Outsider coming in peace


How long until Montreal is fixed again?

Hard to gauge the rebuild timeline for me

 

[waitin425]

Outsider coming in peace


How long until Montreal is fixed again?

Hard to gauge the rebuild timeline for me

2026 realistically.

This year's 5th will hopefully be Michkov and over here. But even someone else will probably only realize potential by then.

Hutson will have arrived by then.

Mailloux arrived.

Slaf developed.

And finally PLD.

Those are the unknowns at this point. Our future success requires those 5 to hit and join Cole, Suzuki, Dach and Guhle

 

[dcyhabs]

Unlike last year, we all seem to be in consensus that we want Carlsson this year. Hughes needs to trade up.

There was consensus against Tkachuk. The board draft consensus would not make a good GM.

 

[NotProkofievian]

POV: you don't have the guts to take this guy with a first round pick.

 

[ReHabs]

Outsider coming in peace


How long until Montreal is fixed again?

Hard to gauge the rebuild timeline for me

How do you define fixed?

The Habs need top-level talent at forward, a tighter/stingier defence, and consistent goaltending. Realistically, we're at least two years away but I expect to see some more fight and pride next year. No more tanking.

 

[WinterLion]

POV: you don't have the guts to rank this guy with a first round pick.

What happened to him though? He can be so invisible at times...

 

[crosbyshow]

There was consensus against Tkachuk. The board draft consensus would not make a good GM.

So true.

It seems that nobody now admit that their choice was Zadina...

Tkachuk was not mine either..it was Hughes.

I would take Tkachuk in a heartbeat between the 2 now..

 

[WinterLion]

Outsider coming in peace


How long until Montreal is fixed again?

Hard to gauge the rebuild timeline for me

Anybody who is at all realistic will have to prepare for at least 3 more years of top 10 lottery picks. After that it will depend on many factors. I'm not expecting a playoff game any time soon and even if we squeek in one of the next few years I hope management sticks to the plan.

Mods maybe we can move this to a different thread or start a new one?

 

[NotProkofievian]

What happened to him though? He can be so invisible at times...

He's ''enigmatic'' deal with it.

 

[Jaynki]

What is Benson upside ?

Should we consider him at 5 above Michkov ?

I hope to see him at the memorial cup.

Any folks here who prefer Benson over Smith, and why ?

 

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Any thought on this guy later in the draft ?

 

[dcyhabs]

So true.

It seems that nobody now admit that their choice was Zadina...

Tkachuk was not mine either..it was Hughes.

I would take Tkachuk in a heartbeat between the 2 now..

I’m certainly not contributing to improving the standard. I don’t know much. I went with Savoie last year just to be contrarian.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Outsider coming in peace


How long until Montreal is fixed again?

Hard to gauge the rebuild timeline for me

I think we’re pretty close. We had 4 rookie dmen get their feet wet last year, and the young core up front (Suzuki, CC, and Dach plus Slaf) is about to enter their prime. Our top 3 prospects (Hutson, Mailloux, Roy) are all about a year a way as should be the guy we select at 5th overall this year. The hope is that we can acquire PLD this year and in that case I think the pieces will all be in place. Will just require some time but the future is looking bright.

 

[HabsForHire]

Anybody who is at all realistic will have to prepare for at least 3 more years of top 10 lottery picks. After that it will depend on many factors. I'm not expecting a playoff game any time soon and even if we squeek in one of the next few years I hope management sticks to the plan.

Mods maybe we can move this to a different thread or start a new one?

I dont see us picking top 10 for another 3 years. I see see us being a lotto team next year for sure and maaaaaybe the following year. But by year 3 I see us challenging for a spot

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

What is Benson upside ?

Should we consider him at 5 above Michkov ?

I hope to see him at the memorial cup.

Any folks here who prefer Benson over Smith, and why ?

I think the upside is pretty high- I’d say a play driving first line winger is a possible outcome. He’s probably most likely a 2nd line guy I’d say though, and wouldn’t take him over Smith or a Michkov. Should be a good pick for someone in the 6-12 range.

 

[NotProkofievian]

I dont see us picking top 10 for another 3 years. I see see us being a lotto team next year for sure and maaaaaybe the following year. But by year 3 I see us challenging for a spot

If everything goes well we might arrive earlier. But there's the ''shit happens'' factor. Sometimes a playoff team on paper has a crappy year, there's injuries, there's bad luck, etc.

 

[Habricot]

These stats are what they are, but there's too much positive data (stats, microstats, on-ice play, attitude) on Benson for me to rank him below Smith. Benson is and will be an amazing player.

From the Habs' perspective, he's the one who will be a game-breaker wherever he plays. Will Smith needs the puck on his stick to be effective, Benson doesn't. He's one of the best forecheckers in the draft, and possibly the best defensive forward as well. Oh, and did I forget to mention he has top-5 IQ/vision in the class?

Hughes said he doesn't care about size this year (is that true or not, idk), but skill + character screams Zach Benson to me.

How would he compare to Seth Jarvis at the same age. I have a feeling they would have a similar impact.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Rank​	Player​	Position​	Projection​	Bust factor​
1​	Connor Bedard​	Center​	Franchise/Generational	Low​
2​	Leo Carlsson​	Center/LW​	Sundin/Barkov level	Low​
3​	Matvei Michkov​	RW​	Elite level player​	High (external)​
4​	Adam Fantilli​	Center​	Top line center upside	Low​
5​	David Reinbacher​	RD​	All around no.1 defenseman potential	Low​
6​	Dalibor Dvorsky​	Center​	200ft. top 6 scoring center	Low​
7​	Ryan Leonard​	RW​	Top 6 scoring power foward	Low​
8​	Otto Stenberg​	LW​	Versatile top 6 foward potential	Medium/Low​
9​	Will Smith​	Center​	Creative, offensively minded top6 potential	Medium/High​
10​	Nate Danielson​	Center​	2-way 2nd line center upside	Medium/Low​
11​	Oliver Moore​	C/W​	Dynamic all around 2nd liner	Low​
12​	Zach Benson​	LW​	Dynamic top6 pts producer upside	Medium​
13​	Gavin Brindley​	RW​	Versatile, heart and soul middle 6	Medium/Low​
14​	Axel Sandin-Pellikka​	RD​	Top 4 puckmoving PP QB upside	Medium-High​
15​	Gabe Perreault​	RW​	High skills top 6 potential	Medium/High​
16​	Anton Wahlberg​	LW​	Middle 6 power winger	Medium/Low​
17​	David Edstrom​	Center​	Middle 6 power center	Medium/Low​
18​	Colby Barlow​	LW​	Middle 6 scoring winger	Low​
19​	Maxim Strbak​	RD​	Top 4 All-around physical D	Low​
20​	Tom Willander​	RD​	Top 4 All around puckmoving D	Medium/Low
21​	Samuel Honzek​	LW​	Top 6 potential​	Medium/High​
22​	Carson Bjarnason​	G​	Starter upside​	Medium​
23​	Brayden Yager​	C/W​	Middle of the line-up	Medium/High​
24​	Eduard Salé​	RW​	Top 6 upside	High​
25​	Matthew Wood​	LW​	Top 6 upside	High​
26​	Jayden Perron​	RW​	Middle of the line-up	Medium​
27​	Riley Heidt​	LW​	Middle of the line-up	Medium​
28​	Gracyn Sawchyn​	C​	Dynamic middle 6 foward	Medium/High​
29​	Callum Ritchie​	C​	2-Way middle 6 center	Medium​

30​	Ethan Gauthier​	C​	Middle of the line-up	Medium​
31​	Tanner Molendyk​	D​	Top 4 puckmoving D upside	Medium​
32​	Quentin Musty​	LW​	Top 6 upside	Very High​

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